Surely no border checks with EU means no border checks with the rest of the world?
We must satisfy the rules of the WTO.
Everything’s fine we don’t need to agree or plan just return the favour.
I can see it working out exactly like that. The impact of no deal is largely what the UK makes of it.
The impact of no deal is largely what the UK makes of it.
Anything that crosses our borders (goods, services, knowledge, people, data) relies on an agreement between us and wherever it goes. No deal means there's very little continuity in our arrangements with the EU or any of the nations we have agreement with via the EU. All we can do is make an offer/request/plea regarding a way to continue - the rest of the world can choose how to respond. We've already seen how some nations are setting out their position on what they'll be wanting from us in return. I can't see that this qualifies for 'what the UK makes of it' - more like how far we'll bend over.
I can’t see that this qualifies for ‘what the UK makes of it’ – more like how far we’ll bend over.
We'll see.
We’ll see
Hopefully we won't have to! 😉
Government ministers have already managed to derail the UK:Japan trade deal… FFS.
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Porsche in price fixing horror....but only if your buying in the UK
Price fixing or just being honest? Prices will go up if we go out badly expect the £ to tank and 10% increase seem like a bargain. If we have no deal then the tariff kicks in. You could call it a simple attempt to drum up sales but this will be on existing orders - that's right just because you ordered for a price don't expect to pay that in April!
Yep sounds perfectly fair - you need to commit to paying the actual costs before they build and ship it. They would much rather pull a RHD car from the line right now than have a glut of them to sell in a UK downturn.
At work we have been asked to ship stuff 2 months early to get it out of the UK before the end of March, I'm sure that is not uncommon at the moment.
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That's one going to affect the poor.
That’s one going to affect the poor.
Had to cancel my 911, not happy here at Taxi mansion
All the stuff about Labour losing power if they back remain - they aren’t exactly in control under their current leader/stance are they?
New party being set up, do you reckon?
Looks like both parties are about to go into meltdown. Rumours are that a number of labour MP's are about to resign - jumping before they're pushed no doubt, given the not-at-all-Stalinist approach of 'The Leadership (Jeremy Corbyn demanding loyalty pledges surely has to set a new benchmark in irony?)
Radio 4 was saying there's a sort of right wing momentum equivalent of UKIP entryists that are trying to get the few non-mental Tory MPs deselected.
Who knows what'll happen? At the 59th minute of the eleventh hour, it'd be nice to have a political party that wasn't under the control of complete brexiteer maniacs. I live in hope...
So Steve Barclay who has achieved the impossible & made raab or Davis seem not the most useless Brexit secretarys is in Brussels to find a backstop solution- We're saved !
As for splitters, won't end well for any of the parties or the splittees!
Labour had been catching up in the latest polls too, I suspect thanks to the ergs latest antics
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1096841662754709505?s=19
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1095313501868998656?s=19
https://twitter.com/KantarPublic/status/1095290950992228352?s=19
Surely no border checks with EU means no border checks with the rest of the world?
There is a difference between a border check and a customs declaration. Currently most (not all) EU goods don't' require a customs declaration but I think (and I may be wrong) that they are subject to the same sort of border checks as non-EU goods. This is because the biggest risk to UK duty revenues are through intra-EU smuggling of booze and fags.
So that article in the Sun isn't that daft. If the UK waves through EU goods with minimum customs declarations at the border and the EU does the same with goods coming from the UK, it will minimise any disruption.
I have a feeling that in the short term at least this might happen, as there is no practical alternative.
I guess this is relevant to both threads.
**** idiots, quit because of the handling of brexit I understand, but bringing up the bullshit antisemitism charges just shows their real motivation is not about doing the right thing for the electorate.
Corbyn needs removing, but for the right reasons, not some blatantly false charges trumped up by the tories and the right wing press, the quiters are just supporting the erg and their cronies by the way they are handling this.
Is it relevant to this thread? Doubt it. And aren't some of the "charges" from long standing Labour people under attack? I think I should avoid whatever other thread you refer to.
Is it relevant to this thread?
You think that labour mp's quitting with a major issue stated as labours brexit stance, isn't relevant? You will have to explain that to me.
Hopefully some sensible tories will be tempted to up sticks as well.
I know passionate remainers who voted Tory as they hate Corbyn more than May.
Why the stupid ****s didn’t vote lib I don’t know.
You will have to explain that to me.
By relevance I was talking about bringing lines such as … "bullshit antisemitism" … into this thread. It's quite a suspicious and specious thing to claim in any circumstances, never mind in a thread about how we organise how European countries should cooperate.
Why the stupid **** didn’t vote lib I don’t know.
Because it's pretty pointless to vote for a party whose sole principle is 'We want to sit at the table.'
Vote Green. **** it, vote UKIP. But vote for something.
you seem quite happy to ignore the fact that a large majority of Labour voters voted to remain. Why is that?
If you use certain polls yes eg the YouGov one. Note those arent hard data.
However, you can equally say majority of Labour constiutencies voted leave. Again its worth noting there is some fudging and guesswork about the overlaps.
The problem is the split between the urban areas (mostly pro remain but heavily clustered) vs the traditional heartlands (pro leave). Please one and you piss off the other.
Mildly interesting take on Brexit in the Guardian today based on the need for a complete reality check for the UK brought about as a result of Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/18/britain-brexit
good read mariner
Im not convinced that a no deal brexit dumping on the poorest is every going to be worth it though
However, you can equally say majority of Labour constiutencies voted leave.
Psst… "Labour constituencies" aren't just made up of Labour voters. They are not one party seats. Should Labour policy be led by the UKIP & Tory voters in Northern Labour heartlands? Seats where the BNP were doing pretty well not that long ago it should be noted.
Psst… “Labour constituencies” aren’t just made up of Labour voters.
Ah I know that. I also know what the average Labour vote is in those constituencies vs those who voted out. Guess which figure is bigger?
Also guess if Labour save the tories from their own mess will the tories say thanks or run a campaign blaming Labour for not leaving in those regions.
Dissonance dissonance again.
Labour should not try and stop the Tory policy agenda, for fear of being blamed for stopping the Tories/UKIP getting their way.
O… kay…
Struggling to come to terms with 'winning' a war and then realising that one of the more immediate things that would come after was a bumping down in the world pecking order has been happening since 1945. Maybe Brexit will finally make that sink in, but the unforeseen possible consequences worry me a lot.
There were plenty of people in 1920s Europe who would have laughed away any suggestion that Armageddon was 10-15 years away.
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Sorry - should have made it clear - that comment related to the Guardian article about Brexit forcing a reckoning within the UK. The article is someone searching around for an unintended positive. I have my doubts on both counts - whether anything can make some people realise we are no longer in the 1850s and whether any such realisation would be worth the potential cost a la the 1920s-1930s.
Does anyone know what the Honda news about to go public is? Whisperings that it could be big (and bad).
Rumour is end of Swindon
It's about what you'd expect, isn't it?
Good job this is is leaked whilst there's at least a chance of turning things around - however slim.
ill be the 4th person to post that then!
So much win.
Good job this is is leaked whilst there’s at least a chance of turning things around – however slim.
Well if it's another leave and we go situation maybe
We shall see what the Member for Swindon has to say about it
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24870/justin_tomlinson/north_swindon/recent
TBH with an EU-JPN trade deal why would they need us.
Brexits the icing on the cake.
Cripes, "cutting back production" is one thing, but closures is altogether different. Massive loss for Swindonians who voted 54.7% to leave the EU, and Wilshirians who voted 52.3% to leave.
that FT article on the way Hunt & Fox have bungled the Japan trade deal is obviously an opinion shared by Honda execs
O… kay…
penguins eat bananas.
Has about as much relevance to what you wrote as your comment did to mine.
