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Owen Smith on channel 4 news now saying Corbyn is enabling a xenophobic, nativist, racist right-wing Brexit that betrays every single Labour Party value
Someone should remind Owen Smith he tried to bring down Corbyn before, got his ass absolutely whipped, then instantly declared that they were bezzie mates. Still, he's one step ahead of Chuka Umanna, forever throwing peanuts but too scared to ever get on the stage.
AFAIC Corbyn actually did something very smart here. He's extended a reasonable offer that May won't and can't take, because her own party would eat her. It's pretty close to what he's demanded before- but moved enough that it's a compromise so people can't reasonably claim any more that he's refusing to negotiate. And it means that May's going to back to parliament and insist hers is the only possible deal (again) and can't be improved (again) while there's a better proposal right there in front of her that she's refused and that her own nutters won't accept.
And when it does go back to the commons, obviously one of the big risks is that people do panic and vote for May's shitty brexit out of fear of May's even shittier no-deal brexit. This puts another option on the table other than calling it all off- which means people can vote against May without instantly being put into the "no deal psycho" or "no brexit traitor" groups. Which imo is just 100% positive.
And also he's given the EU something to be visibily reasonable about at the exact point the ultras are claiming that Europe isn't listening. They can't accept it- they're not negotiating with him- so again no risk but it improves the visuals.
If there was any chance of May accepting his offer I'd say it was a terrible idea, but there isn't.
Owen Smith on channel 4 news now saying Corbyn is enabling a xenophobic, nativist, racist right-wing Brexit that betrays every single Labour Party value
As we all know, Owen Smith definitely represents the views of the membership.
A good analysis NW.. But the vice is tightening, there's very little room for the UK to manuvere now. That's both good and bad.. Good in that it will force our politicians to actually do something.
Bad in that no one knows what they might do with the in fighting in both parties as they are both broken and dysfunctional.
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A good analysis NW.. But the vice is tightening, there’s very little room for the UK to manuvere now.
TBH I don't think that's true- we can't maneouvre but not because there's no room, only because some idiot dropped the anchor in the wrong place. Nicely demonstrated by May's new demands being more or less laughed at, while Corbyn's comments get treated with more respect and seriousness despite him not even being in power,not because they're amazing but just because they're not basically moronic.
Also, neither of us can spell manuva.
Where do I get the hundred MPs that say they will vote against any delay? - publicly declared positions reported in many places. Same as the half the front bench will resign. Maybe less would when push comes to shove but there is no doubt there is a large swathe of labour MPs who believe the " will of the people " shtick
these are the folk who may be for remain but believe that their constituents will kick them out if they don't back leave.
It's all in the great British tradition of the Charge of the Light Brigade.
Only they're charging our own lines.
And all the casualties will be us.
I agree mostly but..
idiot dropped the anchor in the wrong place
It does not matter, the UK was never going to get a better deal than it already had.. So the placement of the anchor was, and still is, largely irrelevant.
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half the front bench
'Half' of either, or both, of the front benches resigning is pretty much normal politics these days. Both leaders have survived that kind of 'manuva' by ministers and shadow ministers a few times already. The back benches are already full of people who have resigned or been fired over Brexit policy. More to come. Some you might even notice.
Huffington Post reporting on the US lobbyist's view of what they want from a future US-UK trade deal.
Lobbyists for big firms made more than 130 demands, which include:
- Changing how NHS chiefs buy drugs to suit big US pharmaceutical companies
- Britain scraps its safety-first approach to safety and food standards
- Law changes that would allow foreign companies to sue the British state
- Removal of protections for traditional British products.
Just an example of what DFDS Liam would be up against. He hasn't got a chance.
We have a solution, a solution proposed by a staunch Brexit supporter here at work.
Pack your bags Scotland you are moving to Ireland and the Irish are moving to Scotland.
No border issues, except the Sea.
Off you trot..
🤣🤷♂️
And i’d say that’s a fairly typical attitude from a Beexiteer.
We wouldn’t have the problem of the likes of the Daily Mail if it wasn’t able to tap into a
rich seamraging flood of ignorance, prejudice, self-righteousness, stupidity, racism, xenophobia and pettiness.
FIFY
Good analysis (if a little optimistic) of labours plans here http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/02/07/labour-s-new-brexit-policy-looks-an-awful-lot-like-norway-pl
My worry is that May will simply never go for it, which leaves everything unchanged & a choice of Mays deal Vs no deal.
As for DFDS fox, that huffpost is terrifying considering how desperately out of his depth he is, even worse in a no deal scenario where we would be so desperate for trade deals we'd be shafted by everyone.
My worry is that May will simply never go for it, which leaves everything unchanged & a choice of Mays deal Vs no deal.
This has been the plan since last year, IMO. At the last moment Labour will support it on the basis of some vague assurance that maybe at some point in the future the govt will perhaps consider doing something for the poor folk below stairs.
Huffington Post reporting on the US lobbyist’s view of what they want from a future US-UK trade deal.
And that, given the complete lack of control over US politicians being totally owned by lobby groups, is rather scary:
And what a position we'll be in to do a trade deal with the US that looks after UK interests. All the cards, they need us more they we need them, etc.
So a quick poll - who's the worst PM out of May & Thatcher?
Cameron
My worry is that May will simply never go for it
Does she have to though? Isn't there enough centre ground who'll go for it and get it through?
So a quick poll – who’s the worst PM out of May & Thatcher?
Corbyn
May, Thatcher at least had a plan, no matter how heartless or destructive that was.
May, no plan and thoroughly incompetent and unable to put any kind of fear into her MP's or listen to them - you either need to lead or listen.
Do I get points for being able to read the question and know who has been a PM?
Mays problem has been the lies.........
She lied to Business- that she could keep frictionless trade & lied that Nissan didnt get extra cash
She lied to the EU- signed the WA, then reneged on it, lied that she wouldnt go round barnier & tried twice to go straight to heads of state, icluding the googletranslate letter farce
She lied to MPs (first about no GE) then later about when the meaningful b=vote would be etc
She lied to her party- when she said last december that teh backstop wasnt the CU (they were too dumb to notice, it was only when geoffry Cox pointed it out they got uset)
She lied to voters when she said that she thought 'No Deal was better than a bad deal' which is bollox coz her deal is a bad deal yet she knows that No deal is much worse....
I know all politicians lie, but she has eroded all trust, Im amazed she doesnt get called out more often
Thatcher was truly the spawn of satan, but you knew exactly what she was about. She was on a mission, and there was no ambiguity whatsoever about what it was.
May has absolutely no discernible philosophy, ideology, direction or purpose other than trying to hold the Tory party together at all costs, and cling on to power by her fingertips, even if this means wreaking economic devastation on the entire country.
I honestly believe that if Thatcher would take one look at this present shower, all of whom claim to idolise her, she would be absolutely appalled by the lot of them
Thatcher was truly the spawn of satan,
Oh don’t be so f*****g ridiculous. 🙄
Thatcher was worse. I mean May has flushed the UK and everyone in it down the toilet, by being useless. But Thatcher systematically dismantled society on purpose.
May has a purpose, she hates difference, she hates foreigners, she will not accept that anyone who might disagree with her is worth wasting her time on.
A timely article in todays Guardian by George Monbiot. just to reinforce whats coming in the event of whats looking more likely by the day... who exactly benefits from a no deal brexit
Why disaster capitalists are praying for a no-deal Brexit
If we crash out of Europe, the dark money that helped to buy Brexit will strive to use this opportunity to tear down our regulations: this, after all, was the point of the exercise.
If you wanted evidence of the desirability of belonging to a large trading bloc, that HuffPost article is it.
Have we done...
This article by Mark Steel is worth a read
Who does Donald Tusk think he is? We’ve always been so civil with these ‘EU dirty rats’
But Thatcher systematically dismantled society on purpose.
Bilge.
She took on an enormous pile of crap and changed it into an enormous pile of different-smelling crap with shiny bits in it. 🙄
Further to the USA is run by corporations video up the way - here's what they want from us post Brexit...
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/us-lobbyists-brexit_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64
Has this been done? Heathrow stockpiling rubber gloves in the event of a no deal to avoid stinky pinkie for security officials.
Brexit Command and Control (sic) Centre hiring at £300 to £400 a day.
and CV in the post 😉 If you can't beat them take the money and have an escape plan
If you wish to amuse yourself for the next hr by shouting at the radio then the long steak of damp piss otherwise known as rees mog is on LBC, the callers have been the usual bunch of ****in idiots so far-we need a cull.
Brexit Command and Control (sic) Centre hiring at £300 to £400 a day.
Blimey, that’s going to put a dent in the £350m a week for the NHS.
Wonder if I could.use.my QA background in pharma for a role there.
Wonder if I could.use.my QA background in pharma for a role there.
Only if you’ve killed thousands of people in a hilarious pipette mixup disaster. You’re going to have to blend in with the bosses, remember, you can’t go embarrassing them by not ballsing up everything you touch. That is not the Brexit way.
I’ll sort if for ten million quid (way less than what this nonsense will cost). Mind you it will only take the time it takes to download the ‘Application for Membership’ form from the E.U. website, so my hourly rate would be high.
“Just sign at the bottom, minister, then **** off if you’d be so kind”.
Wonder if I could.use.my QA background in pharma for a role there.
Can you adapt to a rapidly changing set of rules, ignore everything inconvenient, accept being ignored when you say something nobody wants to hear and deal with so much bad news it could power a space ship?
Can you adapt to a rapidly changing set of rules, ignore everything inconvenient, accept being ignored when you say something nobody wants to hear and deal with so much bad news it could power a space ship?
Keeping a straight face will also be a key competency.
Their biggest problem is that their first two interview questions, presumably, are incompatible:
Do you believe in Brexit?
Is your IQ in excess of your shoe size?
If the required answer to both of those questions is ‘yes’ then they’re recruiting from a pool of precisely zero.
If the required answer to both of those questions is ‘yes’ then they’re recruiting from a pool of precisely zero.
Hence the question that overrides them all "Will you sell your soul for £400/day"
Hence the question that overrides them all “Will you sell your soul for £400/day”
You see, I still wouldn’t be able resist it.
“So, dannyh, will you sell your soul for £400/day?”
“Yes, but only if the NHS still gets its extra £350m per week”.
“OUT! We mustn’t have unpatriotic people here”.
