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Or how big a bung this time gladys
I think the idea they’re going to use labour to vote it thru means they don’t need her/them anymore.
I reckon the honeymoons over.
I think the idea they’re going to use labour to vote it thru means they don’t need her/them anymore.
But labour aren't.
This feels more like
I'll bet the local knife sharpeners are doing a roaring trade tonight.
Just looked at the bookies and the odds on the resignations of the suggested brexiteers resignations have come right down.
May has to deliver a speech to Parliament in the morning. Someone’s going to go and grab the headlines and resign in the lead up too it, to launch their leadership bid (or their supporting role in somebody else’s...) with the blue rinse old cadavers who will get to decide such matters
“When you strip away the detail, the choice before us is clear, this deal … or leave with no deal, or no Brexit at all.”
Theresa suggesting Brexit might not happen?
Wow, there really has been some progress.
The usual suspects are on newsnight saying how they’ve sent their letters in to trigger a vote of no confidence in Theresa May
Yeah... right.
If all those chinless *-wits actually had done that every time they said they’d done so, she’d have survived 97 no confidence votes by now.
Yet another example of how we’ve learnt what lying, back-sliding, spineless bluffing *s this lot are.
She clearly knows that.
Anyone heard from Corbyn yet?
Of course not. Daft question.
Busy time of year on the allotment I suppose. All that clipping and pruning to be done.
I’m sure someone will bring him up to speed some time tomorrow over a herbal tea so he can consider his position and state his that in a few weeks time, after he’s made a 25 statements on Venezuela and Palestine
The rest of the Labour front bench must be giving him a hand . Maybe they’re all at a comemorative memorial service for one of Che Guervaras horses or something?
Theresa suggesting Brexit might not happen?
Is this the first time she's mentioned this? Is she playing for remain via a 2nd ref now?
Anyone heard from Corbyn yet?
Yep, he said the deal's crap and they'll vote it down. There's more than enough ERG nutters in the Tory party to make that happen.
When was that Molls? This morning, before the actual cabinet meeting? At the regular PMQ’s his inconveniently contractually obliged to turn up to every week? Taking him briefly away from his cabbages?
There’s been the usual tumbleweed blowing from the Labour front bench. Nothing. Silence. The echoing sound of pointlessness.
They might as well replace her majesties opposition with the remaining Chuckle brother. He’d do a better ****ing job.
It was on the BBC live feed an hour or so ago Binners. Reiterated at 23.03 apparently. Surely you're following the feed?
Is she playing for remain via a 2nd ref now?
Dont be daft she told us strong stable Brexit means brexit
So missed all the 10 o clock evening news broadcasts and newsnight, where they were noticeable by their absence, but released later for the Twitter echo chamber to retweet’s some meaningless sound bites? Brilliant!
Genius media management! Superb!
And what would Malcolm have to say about that....?
Binners- on the Grauniad live feed and BBc feed well before 10 pm were Corbyns statements. so he had his statement out there just ignored by the TV news as he often is.
Ignored by the TV news? Ignored? No, poor timing.
Anyway… sounds good. Except, what is he proposing that is materially different to May's plan?
Northern Ireland minister falls on sword
In summary without all the cliches and terminology (aka dumb it down for me please) why is it good, or bad?
It's shit because it's a fake leave that manages to severely damage and weaken the UK while not providing any of the theoretical upsides. And it still leaves us with neverending brexit negotiations for the rest of our lives. It's not even the end of the beginning.
The draft deal?
It does not satisfy the rabids as we effectively are in an indefinite customs union and thus cannot make trade deals independently and the EU have to agree we can leave. It does not satisfy the remainers as we lose all influence in the EU and its far worse than being a member The DUP hate it as it enshrines a distinctly different set up for NI compared to the rest of the UK, The SNP hate it as its means NI has advantages over scotland ie they get a special deal but scotland does not.
Its a gawdawful fudge that acheives nothing bar making life harder for UK companies to trade in the EU
Its a piece of genius to come up with a compromise that not only satisfies no one but even the centre think is rubbish
We’re not in good or bad deal territory. We’ve not had a good deal option since the referendum.
Its a question of which option is the least shit.
On one point only I will actually defend the govt. There never was the possibility of a good brexit deal.
the EU cherry picked the city and left the rest in limbo
Given Theresa May's track record in every Govt department she's run. That she's made a complete horlicks of this comes as no surprise.
Well Britain remains in a customs union, and the city get 80% of what they asked for so that should save off any immediate economic crash, freedom of movement seems to be remaining for the time being (although the details are a little unclear).
But I haven't seen yet how much Britain has to pay for that, and with the loss of influence it is a bad deal compared to what we currently have. And still the rhetoric is to pander to the extreme rather than be truthful, so the country will remain divided and hateful which will be exploited by right and papered over by the left.
I thought the whole mess of brexit and trumps America would show people that simple moronic answers to complex problems do not work, but actually the media coverage and the exploitation by those who just want power is getting worse. I predict that Britain will get an alt-right leader at the next election.
Mark Francois, the vice-chair to Rees Mogg on the ERG was just interviewed on Five Live. From his reaction to the 'deal' you could only ask yourself what planet these people are actually living on? They're all absolutely delusional.
Its terrifying that people this clearly detached from reality (and it has to be said... terminally dense) are having such a disproportionate effect on our countries future.
Theresa May looks like a towering poolitical collosas in comparison to these idiots
Of course, once again, its all talk of leadership bids. Its like groundhog day.
If anyone fancies a laugh (or a stare into the void) then the phone in at 9 on Five Live is a 'discussion' of the Deal. Expect an hour of thick as mince, ranting gammons. We could play Gammon bingo? Empire? Second World War? Winston Churchill? Great Trading Nation? yadda yadda yadda....
Raab has just resigned
dumb it down for me please
That is how we got to where we are today.
So, that's it then? Easiest negotiations in history concluded.
Boris, when does the £350m a week to the NHS start to flow - must be now, surely?
Oh dear. to lose one minster is unfortunate, to lose two is careless. to lose a dozen?
Who's going next?
Ok it’s time to ask the question, what in the name of all things holy is going on.
I feel for the maybot..
corbyns fault
How does this deal compare to Norway? Farage has previously been very happy with a norway deal.
So these people back her in cabinet, let her walk out and announce that, then knife her the next morning. I suppose it should be predictable by now.
It's amazing that all barnier has to do is look happy and tory party implodes 🙂
I reckon McVey and Mordaunt will be gone within a couple of hours.
Rats leaving the sinking ship
I feel for the maybot..
I don't, she has been completely politically outmanoeuvred in a way that was obvious to foresee from the start, and has allowed the personal ambition at the heart of the tory party to drive the country to the brink of disaster.
I wonder if we look back over this thread how many proclaimed the Machiavellian genius of bringing the grand brexiters right into the heart of government, and how idiotic that policy now looks.
Dominic Raab resigns
May just got owned with bombers.
This is becoming rather amusing, I have no sympathy for May whatsoever after her stint as Home Secretary.
How does this deal compare to Norway?
we don't know we have negotiated that bit yet !
General election called by the end of the month, with Boris temporary PM?
Well, Norway is an attractive and prosperous country which has good trading relations with its neighbours, this deal is a shit sandwich which we can either eat or get pushed off a cliff.
HTH