What is it about this guy? I think the Prison Service lost about 12 detainees out of custody last year. Their loss perhaps made local news certainly not national news.
This man was on remand at a Cat2 prison and gets himself out (Not good) but the media presumably stoked by the 'authorities' have gone berserk. The 'authorities' themselves seem very keen to catch him. Putting all airports and ports on alert. The Government also appear to be going into meltdown.
I know he's a suspected terrorist (Really very very bad) and is suspected of giving info to a foreign power. But I suggest that at 21 years old he can't be a modern-day Kim Philby.
Is there more to this than we are being told?
By the sounds of it he's been charged under the Terrorism Act, but it relates to a bomb hoax/fake bomb rather than an actual bomb. Calling him an 'escaped terrorist' sounds like the perfect way to make sure he can claim he won't get a fair trial. Then again, absconding from prison while on remand isn't exactly helpful to his case either.
My guess is that the authorities are far more interested in punishing his alleged breaches of the Official Secrets Act, but the 'terrorism' label is helpful in getting the public looking out for him.
He certainly seems like an enterprising and resourceful lad...
Is there more to this than we are being told?
Have you noticed how there's very little government incompetence in the news today?
What celebrity can we expect to take him a 4-pack of stella and a bag of chips, as is traditional, when he is eventually tracked down?
I think the storey here is why was he in a cat B prison and not a cat A. I'm sure it wasn't down to chronic underfunding and mismanagement.
<p style="text-align: left;">30,000 a year to be a prison guard, no wonder they have staffing issues.</p>
Must have had help from the inside. Surely you can't get out and strap yourself the underside of a truck with help??....
As dangeourbrain has said perhaps we all need to be focused on something else for a couple of days…
Must have had help from the inside. Surely you can’t get out and strap yourself the underside of a truck with help??….
I would imagine it was a well planned and orchestrated operation, from the truck ( being to be able to get under it and fixing himself into position to it not being searched on the way out ).
Just watching the news now , they seem to think he might just pop up somewhere 🙄
More pressing is why he wanted out of there ( or why someone else wanted him out of there )
Maybe I’ve been watching too much telly, but these things always have people on the inside making things run smooth
Is there more to this than we are being told?
Wasn’t he also selling intelligence?
Maybe I’ve been watching too much telly, but these things always have people on the inside
I'm pretty sure a prisoner break needs someone who's inside. Otherwise it would just be "man hitches lift on underside of van"
I'm surprised a 21 year old had any intelligence to sell ?
Dead cat, innit?
They probably let him out to smother the news cycle about the government being utter ****-wits
Judging by the utterly hapless parliamentary statement by the government junior minister this afternoon (he basically posed a series of questions he had no answers to), who was then torn to shreds by his opposition shadow, they’ve clearly not thought this through.
To be fair to (suspected) terrorism bloke, it all sounded very ‘Escape from Colditz’
Was he actually working for MI5 all along, is that what @revs1972 is hinting?
I’m surprised a 21 year old had any intelligence to sell ?
How old was Edward Snowden?
Chelsea manning was 23...
Not sure who Khalife served with but at the moment even an infantry private would have a good chance of being exposed to various things going out to Ukraine, even if that's just operational knowledge of javelin teams.
If he was sigs or the like he could easily have seen or enabled all sorts of stuff.
I actually have a bit of expertise in this field..
What they need to be doing is a hard target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse..
Plus checkpoints up at 15 miles..
I’m surprised they havent called me to lend a hand yet tbf..
Not sure who Khalife served with but at the moment even an infantry private would have a good chance of being exposed to various things going out to Ukraine, even if that’s just operational knowledge of javelin teams.
If he was sigs or the like he could easily have seen or enabled all sorts of stuff.
All you need is a Discord login and a copy of War Thunder and a desire to win arguments on the internet 🙂
All you need is...
a desire to win arguments on the internet
Ah that's us lot on a list then.
If he was sigs or the like he could easily have seen or enabled all sorts of stuff
When my great uncle was that age he was called up for national service. As he was a smart guy he spent the first 6 months at a bootcamp learning Russian, and the next 6 months translating intercepted Russian air force radio - he must have heard some pretty mad stuff!
If he was sigs or the like he could easily have seen or enabled all sorts of stuff.
Maybe, but as he wasn't in a specialist unit, it's doubtful anything he got his hands on was particularly spicy.
He was pulling data from JPA which is defence's admin system. But even then the data you have access to is controlled and can be audited.
He sounds like a ****ing turd, bottom third material, but they slip through as the net has big holes.
Wandsworth has 1 in 3 staff positions vacant, it has a capacity of 900 prisoners but currently holds 1600
Since 2010 £900 million has cut from the prisons budget , there are 4000 less prison staff, with the same number of prisoners
im amazed this doesn't happen more often
Someone on the news said he’s very intelligent to escape from here, I’m guessing he probably is but really got the sense they were making him out to be a mastermind rather than this happened because of total incompetence with the system and chronic staff issues at Wandsworth.
Have you noticed how there’s very little government incompetence in the news today?
This is fast becoming the "fake news" for the left. In the same way that anything done by right-wing actors has by default become a deep state fake or a secret service plants dead cat news stories to obfuscate has become the default reaction for the left.
I'd imagine that a prison service stretched paper thin by redundancies, loss of expertise, crippling budget reductions and crumbling infrasture is going to be easier to escape from that the alternative.
Maybe, but as he wasn’t in a specialist unit, it’s doubtful anything he got his hands on was particularly spicy.
Have they said who he was with, can't say I've looked hard but I hadn't seen anything in the news beyond "former soldier".
This is fast becoming the “fake news” for the left.
Sorry I had typed it with fingers dripping in sarcasm but it didn't make it to screen.
Sorry I had typed it with fingers dripping in sarcasm but it didn’t make it to screen
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Apologies, tone's almost impossible to detect.
Maybe this is some sort of special forces initiation test.
1. Be put in prison.
2. Escape.
3. live undetected for one month.
4. Return to barracks.
Maybe this is some sort of special forces initiation test.
Channel 4 reality TV show?
Channel 4 reality TV show?
Lots of black Land Rovers around today? Let's see how good those Hunters are...
BBC were in all seriousness playing bits of an interview from one of the "crack team of experts" from the TV show 'Hunted' with their news coverage of this incident this morning. If the guy stays at large for a while there may be a cash prize waiting for him, or a career opportunity in the media. Charlie Brooker couldn't make this up!
BBC were in all seriousness playing bits of an interview from one of the “crack team of experts” from the TV show ‘Hunted’
I belive prior to his gig on TV he was a senior leics. police officer dealing with this sort of stuff, so not just a TV celeb.
I suspect getting comment on how, where and why they're searching from officers actively involved in a search has been a bit more difficult for the beeb since Cliff Richard made such a fuss.
I was just thinking they’d just need to get the Hunted team on the case, just a little luck with the CCTV network, a phone hack on a close friend, a close call at a caravan park and they’ll have him in the next 24 hours, simples.
I was planning a quick ride in Richmond Park on Sunday morning.
What tyres for catching terrorism suspects?
I seem to recall bombers were fine with all but fat tyres
It did seem a bit odd that they immediately started checking ports
Allegedly (telehgraph) he was seen getting into a getaway car
Is there a secret network of Iranian spys running around?
I wonder if those pesky people-smugglers we hear so much about offer trips heading in the other direction?
No need to bother with the ports and airports, just pick a beach in Kent
Is there a secret network of Iranian spys running around?
Wouldn't be very good if they were overt about it would they?
They'd spend all their time fending off government ministers with their hands out and not get any actual spying done.
Good article on it here by a former governer. Not all terrorist prisoners are put in Cat A jsails.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/whos-really-to-blame-for-the-wandsworth-jailbreak/
From my experience in a previous job driving 7.5 ton vans in and out of jails he would not necessarily have needed inside help to get out. When the vans are in the vehicle dock being searched there is a mirror on a trolley which is shoved briefly under the van to check the underside. Always looked to me that it was done as much for the CCTV cameras as to actually look. The prison staff are searching vehicles all day. It's human nature that attention drops.
The question for me is what risk assessment allowed him to get a plum job like working in the kitchen? One of the few places in the prison where outsiders - delivery drivers - mix with cons and where cons have access to vehicles.
The prison staff are searching vehicles all day. It’s human nature that attention drops.
Wandsworth prison currently has 35% of its staffing position unfulfilled, on top of that the Grayling reforms actively got rid of long serving prison officers, turnover is now huge, there are no experienced staf
Wandsworth is supposed to hold 900 prisoners, it currently hold 1600
<p style="text-align: center;">£900 million has been taken from the prison budget since 2010 & theres 4000 less staff for a bigger prison population</p>
Have they said who he was with, can’t say I’ve looked hard but I hadn’t seen anything in the news beyond “former soldier”.
Royal Signals, the barracks he was at houses two signal regiments, the 9ne he was in provides Comms support to a logistics brigade, although still has access to restricted information, doubtful anything spicy.
If he was from a specialist unit he would have been in a very deep hole having his access to external visitors and communications controlled.
He's just a shitbird that has gone a bit rogue.
Is there a secret network of Iranian spys running around?
Probably. It's a game.
Remember after Salisbury? 14 undeclared Russian agents were expelled/outed by May.
Saw a FB chat between an army friend and his mates, suggesting that as he was in the Royal Signals, there's more chance of him being comfy in a Premier Inn rather than a bivvy in Richmond Park
Saw a FB chat between an army friend and his mates, suggesting that as he was in the Royal Signals, there’s more chance of him being comfy in a Premier Inn rather than a bivvy in Richmond Park
Accurate. 😂
Is there a secret network of Iranian spies running around?
More than likely.
Along with Russian, Chinese, French, Australian, in fact just about everyone will have someone in the UK hoping to glean some sort of information they can use for themselves.
