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Funny, i thought it was the incredibly
largesmall number of people in China who were using all the coal and fossil fuels to power theircountryindustries. Which small proportion are you referring to?
The proportion that buys all the cheap stuff that Chinese industry produces for the rest of the world
Couple of internet experts got together and wrote this
http://www.cpm-magazine.co.uk/2020/12/15/sustainable-gain-the-biggest-carbon-store-on-earth/
Most of the worlds economies are based on increasing the number of people to produce things to sell. That has been exacerbated by the increased population now aging so a large part of the population is now 'dead wood' so even more young workers are needed.
Any country that put a stop to population increase would die pretty quickly as it would be full of older and older people and less and less people doing any work. No country is ever going to do that unilaterally and can you really see the worlds largest consuming countries agreeing to it collectively?
Any country that put a stop to population increase would die pretty quickly
Japan, Russia, Germany, Italy
Stop using peat based horticultural products would be a good place to look within your own sphere of influence.
A local cycle group sounds like a good option too.
For example carbon capture programs, taking grasslands and covering them in trees, which is in fact making the problem worse.
As always take the extreme
Farmers can do good, they can also be very damaging. Government policies are the same.
I'm a member of greenpeace. They tend to concentrate on getting the evidence and making sure leaders and politicians change the laws and policies for a better, greener world (put simply).
Really imo it's the tiny things that help. Don't try to do too much at first, otherwise you will become overwhelmed.
Shopping differently:
Walk or cycle to the stores. Take your own bags (fabric ones are best), I take my own tupperware to the butcher, buy all fruit and veg loose, you can even buy birthday cards etc without the plastic cover. Buy refills for your washing products, bars of soap are best.
Have as many water butts as you can and grown your own food. Have a couple of compost heaps. Don't buy stuff unless you need too. I buy the best I can afford or second hand.
There is so much you can do, most of it simple and not time consuming. There are some good books out there.
Japan, Russia, Germany, Italy
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Germany is higher now than ever before
Italy has flattened since 2014 so too early to tell longer term production/economic impact
Japan has started declining since 2010 and the problems they are starting to encounter due to high number of old age with no younger people to care for them is well documented so not going to end well
Russia, well god knows what they are up to.
I gave up my job in the city to work for a start up based around regenerative agriculture. I’ve never been so tired, stressed or happy - feels like what I’m doing will have some sort of impact on both the environment and people’s health.
As mentioned, worth watching ‘kiss the ground’ for a decent explanation, however changing farming practises and helping people to have a better understanding of where their food comes from is in my opinion vital. In a regen system animal grazing is an important part of the cycle, but it does mean an end to £5 chickens. It doesn’t mean you have to give up meat entirely though.
Discussing the change in farming practises is probably too big a topic to cover in one post but I’d be happy to discuss via PM if anyone wants further details.
What is heartening to see here is how many people have a strong understanding of the subject. I bet 30 years ago that wouldn't have been the case. It shows that all the thousands of campaigns and news stories do have a purpose. People are thinking and arguing about the issues.
The problem I find with nearly all environmental groups is they are massive hypocrites. They expect everyone else to change whilst...
Perfect is the enemy of good.
Your argument seems to be that we should just ignore them since they aren't living a primativist lifestyle.
Germany is higher now than ever before
Italy has flattened since 2014 so too early to tell longer term production/economic impact
Japan has started declining since 2010 and the problems they are starting to encounter due to high number of old age with no younger people to care for them is well documented so not going to end well
Russia, well god knows what they are up to.
So the countries havent "died pretty quickly" as you absurdly postulated.
Any country that put a stop to population increase would die pretty quickly
https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=24
Your argument seems to be that we should just ignore them since they aren’t living a primativist lifestyle.
Its a common argument employed by people who are too lazy or stupid to look past a single factor or the blindingly obvious.
The fact is that as humans we can develop the technology and understanding to fix this.
I watched the kiss the ground film recently and I think it was fascinating.
We are reducing the amount we consume and with the likelihood of us not having to commute is great too.
I donate to eden reforestation as they support the reintroduction of mangroves and various other projects where deforestation has already happened.
Fundamentally we all have to change our behaviours but for those who are saying that by existing we are part of the problem...... Get a grip, we have the chance to be part of the solution too now.
From where I’ve looked ER is fine if you are happy to be arrested but if like me this would cause issues with employment it might be best to look elsewhere.
You can contribute actively to ER without being arrested. That’s a choice unless you were really unlucky. Daughter No1 has been arrested twice when she decided it was the right thing to do and because she had chained herself to various things but has contributed to and attended numerous other actions but has moved on as requested by the police. There are groups of certain professions really active in ER where it would be make life really difficult for them with their regulator if arrested eg medics.
Your argument seems to be that we should just ignore them since they aren’t living a primativist lifestyle
no my argument is why is it ok for them to travel in their thousands to London to protest and then tell me I should travel less because it’s bad for the environment. It’s as if they think that their travel doesn’t count because it’s for their cause and somehow exempt from environmental impact. It’s like that silly girl from Sweden who thought travelling round the world didn’t create a huge pointless carbon footprint
no my argument is why is it ok for them to travel in their thousands to London to protest and then tell me I should travel less because it’s bad for the environment. It’s as if they think that their travel doesn’t count because it’s for their cause and somehow exempt from environmental impact. It’s like that silly girl from Sweden who thought travelling round the world didn’t create a huge pointless carbon footprint
The thing is, right, is that their travel was to used to try and raise awareness for a positive cause where I suspect (I may be wrong and I apologise if I am) your travel is possibly a little more selfish.
Doing something positive is infinitely better than just shrugging your shoulders and just doing nothing because you can't do everything.
Well I spoke for over an hour with a local bicycle users group chairman. It was really interesting to hear about various active transport initiatives and a few success stories. I've asked to be included in their monthly meetings so I can continue to learn the ropes.
It’s like that silly girl from Sweden who thought travelling round the world didn’t create a huge pointless carbon footprint
The one who sailed to New York? As soon as people start having a go at children trying to find their way in a confusing world because they dont like being told the impacts of their own actions it becomes all too easy to form an opinion of them. As for it being pointless, well thats an opinion but from where I have stood she has informed and influenced for the better a huge number of young people.
I was trying to work out a suitable reply to that comment. But a-a has put it better than I could
Your argument seems to be that we should just ignore them since they aren’t living a primativist lifestyle
no my argument is why is it ok for them to travel in their thousands to London to protest and then tell me I should travel less because it’s bad for the environment. It’s as if they think that their travel doesn’t count because it’s for their cause and somehow exempt from environmental impact.
Which is nigh on the same thing. If it wasn't that you would be criticising them for using the internet, if not that then wasting paper, if not that then something else that you would pick on. How else are they going to get their message out such that people take notice? I'm afraid to say the parish newsletter is probably a dead end in this case.
It’s like that silly girl from Sweden
I've changed my mind - it's not worth trying to change your mind about vaccination on the other thread. Hope it gets ya!
24hrs of following the Green Party and Greenpeace on Facebook has been interesting 😆
My what a wonderful variety of people there are in this world 😯
It’s like that silly girl from Sweden who thought travelling round the world didn’t create a huge pointless carbon footprint
Careful - your prejudice is showing...
Is the Green Party any good? What about Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, Extinction Rebellion?
XR have many local groups:
And have email newsletter, WhatsApp groups and Telegram broadcasts to keep you in the loop of what's going on.
Signing up is free if you just want to check it out.
You could try looking into community supported agriculture (CSA network website is a good start). If there isn't one local to you then maybe you could even try to get one going - the network will be happy to help I'm sure and your gardening credentials couldn't hurt.
I'm on the steering committee of my local CSA and feel it's one of the best things I can be doing with my time. We feed 160ish families a week all year round with local, organic and packaging free veg. I barely have to go to the supermarket anymore at all between that and the local waste free shop.
The one who sailed to New York?
yeah that’s the one. The sailing trip that required 7 of the crew to take trans Atlantic flights to make it happen. And what has she actually achieved? A few people talk about stuff a bit more so what. Words are cheap and meaningless unless followed up by action and there has been no action. Nothing has changed.
The thing is, right, is that their travel was to used to try and raise awareness for a positive cause where I suspect (I may be wrong and I apologise if I am) your travel is possibly a little more selfish.
i don’t think the environment knows or cares how the pollution and increased emissions were generated.