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That sums up why the majority of the rest of the world hate the English.(and they do!)
Most countries see british = english
So that ****s that idea
Glad to have been of help Junkyard.
There's a lot to admire about the England team, they do seem to play as a greater-than-the-sum-of-their parts type squad
Not sure I agree, althought it might be different now that there is a good manager in place. For years now I've thought England had one of the strongest international squads in the world, but have tended to underperform in major tournaments.
The main issue at the moment is a shortage of quality strikers - Rooney is a fabulous player, but if he's out he's not going to be replaced easily.
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WTFAS?
Who The F Are Scotland 😉
That article comes as no surprise really. Gives the bitter and casual racist football fans north of the border something to do during the world cup i suppose.... 😉
I suspect if this was other way round, ie 'Anything but Scotland or Wales', a LOT more would be said.....
After all, it is almost accepted that having a go at the English is fine, but when the boot is on the other foot..... 😕
Am I missing the point entirely, or is the slogan on the t-shirt taking the p**s out of a football team, rather than criticising a 'race' of people?
FFS, there's bigger things happening in the world to get wound up about, or as I previously asked, am I missing the point?
Aye, just for information, Pretty much every pasty-coloured person across the countries of the British Isles is fairly indistinguishable from one another. Whether Scottish or English or Welsh, we're all the descendents of a late wave of Anglo-Germanic people. (the only true relic of an ancient Celtic population of BRITONS, is to be found in central Ireland, with a few in the Hebrides)
so this is CULTURAL bigotry, not racist!
...so thats OK then 🙂
Just football banter, pretty pathetic action by Grampian Police IMO
(still, great publicity for the shop!)
If it gets down to it all football is about rivalry, are we seriously going to arrest all of Ipswich town's supporters for gems such as this
'Your sister is your mother,
Your father is your brother,
You all shag one another,
The Norwich Family...'
Its all just friendly banter between two great nations.
I suspect if this was other way round, ie 'Anything but Scotland or Wales', a LOT more would be said.....
Mate, you should be in my office every 6 nations. I can assure you the English give every bit as good as they get, usually more.
(the only true relic of an ancient Celtic population of BRITONS, is to be found in central Ireland, with a few in the Hebrides
IIRC, when they did the Y chromosome study they found that Southern England was Anglo-Saxon, the rest of England was Danish Viking along with most of Scotland.. parts of Highland Scotland and the Isles were Norse Vikings along with parts of Ireland and Wales and most of Ireland was British/Celtic.
[i] I suspect if this was other way round, ie 'Anything but Scotland or Wales', a LOT more would be said.....
Mate, you should be in my office every 6 nations. I can assure you the English give every bit as good as they get, usually more.[/i]
In your office....right, that must be case for ALL English sporting fans then 😉
I dont think you will find hoards of English footy fans packing the pubs supporting whoever is playing Scotchland and wearing their shirts....ring any bells?
But i suppose English fans havent got so much to be bitter and jealous about and the slight problem that Scotchland dont tend to qualify for the tournament stages often either....... 😉
As a Scot, living in the south (Yorkshire since you ask), which of course has been a Scots colony since 1603, married to an English lass, with a son born in York, I think this demonstrates one of the great things about British (Scottish, English and the other places that is) culture - the right, nay obligation, to take the piss about anything and everything, any time, anyplace, anywhere. Anyone who regards that as racist (whether the English are a race or not) needs to see their doctor for a prescription of sense of humour.
Long may it continue.
Jimmy Hill; He's a (offensive word removed)
c'mon mate - there's no WAY JH is a scot !
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5512401.ece
Aberdeen doesnt have the best record though. 😯
that Scotchland dont tend to qualify for the tournament stages often either
[pedant mode] I think you will find that up until 1990 Scotland had the best qualifying record (getting to the finals) of all having made it through the qualifying rounds 5 times in a row [/pedant mode]
Of course the only reason we had to go through the qualifying round so often was beacuse we never hosted of won it, but I like to think we're still the best qualifiers*.
*I am of course deluded
I'm completely ambivalent to the sweaties, couldn't care less about them. Our footballing rivals are the Argies, now they're a foe worthy of emnity.
What is the point exaclty of that? Oh yes nowt it's just wendy ball... What else do you expect. Now give me a sport with real history and values, not some sort of garbage just so people can make money.
[i]an then I think back to EVERY F***IN' football event since 1966 and the triumphalist bollox of the media [/i]
If we (ie Scotland) had ever won it then we'd bang on about it as well. Harmless sporting rivalry. England has the better football team, we've got the nicest mountain bike trails. I know which I prefer!
I dont agree, Kennyp, the thing that we hate isn't even the natural pride of the average English footiefan, its the media, the sports press, their sense of entitlement, that somehow England, the only team that matters, has been cheated out of their rightful winning place in every World cup since.
You've got a point about some of the more rabid English tabloid press, but if you actually listen closely to, say, the BBC covering England games, they don't in reality mention 1966 all that much, and they tend to be fairly realistic about England's chances.
Most football, and indeed sports, fans tend be view their own team quite favourably and believe they are hard done by.
And while some of the English media can be a bit cocky at times, equally the Scottish media tend to take offence at the slightest bit of what they imagine to be anti-Scottish bias, while being happy to dish out a lot of anti-English bias.
Luckily the majority of fans of both countries see it for what it is, just harmless fun.
Oh, and for those of you moaning about Andy Murray, try listening to what he actually says and not what he's making jokes about.
"If we (ie Scotland) had ever won it then we'd bang on about it as well"
It's lucky we'll never have to put that to the test really... we're enormously accomplished losers, I don't know how we'd adapt to victory.
kennyp what do you think you are doing bringing sensible rational comment into a Scotland/England thread? 🙂
It's a pit that all the Jocks living South of the border and their expat government in Brown, Darling and plethera of hangers on, also half of the BBC from Jockland don't want to live Anywhere But England
OoooooOOOooooh! Get you!
[i] I don't know how we'd adapt to victory. [/i]
Same way we adapt to defeat...........strong drink and Irn-Bru the next morning. Actually, that goes for draws as well.
The way I see it is England like to hype themselves up and then make an arse of it at the tournament. When Scotland used to get to (I like to hope one day we will again) a tournament, we knew we were shite so just got pissed and had a laugh. 😀
Plus, we won something not so long ago...
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...but do we bang on about it? I don't think so! Mainly cos none of can remember what it was...
[i]kennyp what do you think you are doing bringing sensible rational comment into a Scotland/England thread?[/i]
I know, I've just re-read my post and I'm ashamed. To make up for it, I'll recount a true story from the 1996 Euros, overheard in a pub in London just before the England - Scotland game:-
English Bloke: Why do you Jocks hate us so much?
Scottish Bloke: Did you see the opening ceremony?
English Bloke: Yeah.
Scottish bloke: Did you see the bit with St George and the dragon?
English Bloke: Yeah.
Scottish Bloke: Well most of Scotland was supporting the dragon!
[i]The way I see it is England like to hype themselves up and then make an arse of it at the tournament[/i]
Err, does the name Ally McLeod ring any bells? 🙂
Yeah, he took us to a World Cup on a high! That quickly decended into a very low low. How'd your lot do that year? 
Shoulda read back over your previous posts kenny huh? 😆
[i]How'd your lot do that year?[/i]
My lot? Well they lost 3-1 to Peru, drew 1-1 with Iran and beat Holland 3-2.
As for Ally McLeod, my tongue was in my cheek a bit. He was a great bloke who had us genuinely believing we'd win the World Cup. Who cares if it all went badly wrong. It was fun while it lasted.
[i]Shoulda read back over your previous posts kenny huh?[/i]
No worries, done the same myself many times.
Its bad enough being guff at football, but being guff at football banter is a serious new low.
TRUE STORY FROM PUB.
English and Scots guy talking about football.
Discussion raged on with usual banter and then Jock guy started talking about how they kicked England's arse at Bannockburn.
English Guy: forget that, remember when Mcallister missed the penalty and then Gazza stuck the ball over Hendrie's head and scored a classic....what a celebration as well.
Scots guy: Occchhh , now your talkng history.
Well - if you're talking history, what exactly was the score the last time England played Scotland at football.....
'RACIST' T-SHIRT COULD CAUSE MORONS TO SAY STUFF
24-02-10
A SCOTTISH t-shirt expressing dislike of the England football team could cause morons to say things, experts have warned.
The shirt, which wishes success to 'Anyone But England' in this summer's World Cup, is likely to provoke at least 48 hours of tedious debate about post-devolution British identity and why Scotland needs to grow up.
Experts say the policeman who warned an Aberdeen shopkeeper about displaying the shirt must now take responsibility for the resulting avalanche of bullshit articles and mind-buggering exchanges on Live from Studio Five.
Julian Cook, the Nicky Campbell Professor for the Understanding of Stupid Debates at Reading University, said: "At first you'll get some articles about why the police have to intervene in every single little thing and how this country simply isn't free any more.
"But that will quickly give way to columnists saying 'actually, this incident does raise a serious point about Britain...' when, of course, it doesn't. It just ****ing doesn't.
"And by the end of today the BBC will have sent camera crews on to the streets of Glasgow and Coventry to gather up the kind of soul-destroying responses that will lead to yet another traffic spike on French property websites."
He added: "By Friday you may even get a column in the Independent about 'why must the British media analyse absolutely everything?' which will of course be written without even the faintest whiff of self-awareness."
But veteran Daily Telegraph columnist, Denys Hatton, said that while the t-shirt was no doubt meant to be taken in jest, it would inevitably lead to the break up the United Kingdom and generations of blood soaked conflict that will divide families and lay waste to Berwick Upon Tweed.
He added: "When will the prime minister have the guts to accept responsibility for this genocidal 't-shirt' and go back to the land of chippy, drunken, bestial perverts from whence he was puked?"
If we (ie Scotland) had ever won it then we'd bang on about it as well.
True. Celtic's 1967 European Cup victory being a case in point.
some scotch folk are weird. The folk defending this t-shirt, as a laugh, are the same ones who take the huff when English media interchange Scot & Brit and talk about Englands chances at the world cup.
It's ok for the Tartan Army to be patriotic but not the English.
Small town teuchters.
[i]some scotch folk are weird. The folk defending this t-shirt, as a laugh, are the same ones who take the huff when English media interchange Scot & Brit and talk about Englands chances at the world cup.
It's ok for the Tartan Army to be patriotic but not the English.
Small town teuchters[/i]
+1
some scotch folk are weird. The folk defending this t-shirt, as a laugh, are the same ones who take the huff when English media interchange Scot & Brit and talk about Englands chances at the world cup.It's ok for the Tartan Army to be patriotic but not the English.
1. Scotch is a drink.
2. Who interchanges Scotland and Britain? English media *should* talk about England. The problem is British media (along with most people) interchange English and British.
3. Nobody's saying the English can't be patriotic. When it comes to football it's half the fun. Wave your flags of St. George and try not to be too bitter that foreign birds love men in kilts.
1. Scotch is a drink. -Biter! could be a pie or an egg or a bonnet etc
2. Who interchanges Scotland and Britain? English media *should* talk about England. The problem is British media (along with most people) interchange English and British. - The British Tenniser Murray when he's winning and the Scotch Tenniser Murray when he's losing.
3. Nobody's saying the English can't be patriotic. When it comes to football it's half the fun. Wave your flags of St. George and try not to be too bitter that foreign birds love men in kilts.- Tartan trannies in tweety pie boots.
In your office....right, that must be case for ALL English sporting fans then
Well you know what - it's not just in this office. As a Wales fan who's either lived in England or worked in mixed offices all his life, let me tell you it's not just ONE office.
Banter is part of the game, no problems there, and it's defintiely both ways. The English rub Wales' noses in it when they win because of the 70s, and Wales reciprocate because of the 80s and 90s 🙂
It's when it goes outside ruby that it can get bad...
i love it/want one and im "english" (from england)
the st georges cross goes on the left hand side of chav numberplates, and on pastey skinned embarrasments off thier tits in amsterdam.
its only an opinon. if anyones offended by it they need to stfu. and keep thier opinons to themselves
if anyones offended by it they need to stfu
I'm not too bothered about it, but I think people have the right to be offended.