Ah, well, something to make the scots happy 🙂
Rashford will be great , Kane is great ...did you see that finish !!!!
Will the score line make it to the front page of the Flailing Whail in the morning, y’no to boost its subterranean ratings?
Let’s see shall we.
about to qualify for the world cup
And do really, really shit when 'we' get there.
The last football match I remember watching was Germany dissecting Brazil in the last World Cup.
Watch that game on YouTube or wherever and try to imagine England playing like that.
Simply not possible. And that Brazil team would have still dicked on England.
Funnily enough a ball nearly hit Cahill in the 87th min in the box, but of course it was Kane wot won it! Bad luck Binners, you’ve proved yet again that you’re shit at this betting business! 🙂
Best leave the gambling to Mrs Binners....
Afraid the club game - the top European leagues and the Champions League, maybe even the Europa League - is of a higher standard than international football. I know what I'd rather watch.
And England have no divine right to swat aside Johnny Foreigner, which seems to be the underlying theme of this thread
Now we wait to find out if Doris had already headed for the exit along with most of the rest of the England fans and missed the goal... 🙂
It's not about some divine right or the out of date arrogant English argument. It's about England's place in the pecking order of world football . At the moment we're unbeaten in 38 qualifiers yet there isn't one England fan I assume who thinks we're going to win the World Cup or even make an impact .
But with the players we have , certainly against the standard of teams we play in qualifying we should be beating these teams with a bit of flare and entertainment for the fans .
Shocking
The players are over-rated. With the exception of Kane, very few are absolutely critical to the performance of their club side. The top players at Premier League clubs are all foreign.
Seems I lacked faith that 'the Lions' would put on a footballing masterclass against those titans of international football Slovenia
Could have been worse I suppose. I could have had to watch it! 🙂
Oh.... and Rashford already is great. When he's got some decent players around him, under a decent manager. Talking of decent players.... was Henderson playing tonight? 😆
We haven't had a decent England side since 1996,..over 20 years
Yep. I remember the demolition of Holland and Gascoigne’s amazing goal against Scotland. Missed the later Germany 5-1 win as I was on a flight somewhere.
Problem is now, this side kind of picks itself as they’re the only 25 English players actually getting regular games in the Premier League. Unless of course you exclude the “unfashionable” teams, like all England managers always do.
Did I read correctly that the fans were throwing paper planes, and cheering those that reached the grass? Sweet baby jesus
Paper planes were about the only thing worth cheering
Exactly Binners - that Henderson was playing (and recently been captain!) reflects the paucity of England's resources. If he can get a game, doing just enough against a so called minnow maybe isn't such a bad result.
It's not about some divine right or the out of date arrogant English argument. It's about England's place in the pecking order of world football .
Hmm. It kind of is about that though. It's the burden of believing that England is a great footablling nation and it's demeaning that you don't win everything.
It's the angst of self-entitled fans who follow a side which qualifies for just about every major tournament.
What did I tell you? Scintillating, incisive... 😆
At least I did see the goal, unlike the guys behind us who left on 85 mins. But the highlight was probably one of the paper planes that sailed gracefully down and went all the way into the net to a massive cheer...
I can see why everyone loves rashford so much. Had a decent game, and just seems a really likeable player. But I also reckon Henderson gets a bad rap. He was nowhere near the worst England player tonight. Ok so in the centre of midfield you expect a bit more, but Sterling was useless, Stones was a liability and Bertrand didn't have much to offer. Or the Ox. Henderson was just a bit boring, tho that shot was one of our highlights of the 1st half
I was a bit disappointed in the atmosphere tho- really quiet! I suppose it's a factor of not really having club songs that everyone knows. I've been to a lot of lower league footy and it's usually a lot rowdier.
Hey ho. It was a good experience overall 😀
Yep I cant sleep now as I slept during game.
Did you have s bet Doris?
I dropped a right bollock on a random bet that i only had a few quid on, it was over 1 corner for each team in each half. It was at 11/2. What a dick!
Anyway I managed 78 mins and fell asleep. It was shite as predicted.
They should have kept the team on tour & other finals in CDF. (& paid me a hundred million in consultancy fees for making that decision for them.)
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Aye, we're guaranteed to fall at the last hurdle, but it'll be a glorious failure, and at least the football will be good.
Swashbuckling stuff last night.
Nobberinthefridge - MemberAye, we're guaranteed to fall at the last hurdle, but it'll be a glorious failure, and at least the football will be good.
Betting on a glorious draw so we miss out on goal difference?
Wembley itself stands as a monument to the stupidity of the FA. They were told it'd be an expensive white elephant, and thats exactly what it is
Totally agree about the teams doing the rounds. The country is full of decent grounds. I'm not just thinking the obvious Old Trafford, Anfield etc. Turf Moor is a bloody great ground, and a really intimidating place to go. As Burnley's home record shows. Wouldn't it be great to see someone like Germany playing there?
Instead you end up with the farce of 2 teams from the north west going down to play FA Cup semi-finals at Wembley, so they can justify the obscene cost of building the bloody thing. When they should just have it at Anfield, OT or Wastelands
I've just listened to Gareth Southgate interviewed about last night and got a full house of predictable platitudes bingo. I'm sure we'll hear the same again when he resigns next year, having gone out at the group stage
. I'm sure we'll hear the same again when he resigns next year, having gone out at the group stage
Made me laugh! 🙂
scroterot - MemberNobberinthefridge - Member
Aye, we're guaranteed to fall at the last hurdle, but it'll be a glorious failure, and at least the football will be good.
Betting on a glorious draw so we miss out on goal difference?
Na, we'll beat Slovenia and get Italy in the play offs... 😆
that team with that manager would be relegated if it played in the championship. It was an abysmal performance last night.
No it would not, calm down , stop being silly and see them for wht they actually are. They are a decent premiership level team without the individual flair or brilliance to break down well disciplined teams- ie they need a messi or a Hazard or a De Bryune or some such to move them up level [ nd two decent midfielders as Henderson is not to top class and Dier isnt either.
You are 15th in the world so you are neither as good as your fans think or as bad as they think depending on which OTT england fan you happen to be speaking to at that moment in time.
It was not a great performance but you still won and you are at the World Cup unbeaten - so yes you must be totally shit 🙄
could barely be bothered to check the score when I got back from the thursdaynightride.
way back, I wouldn't have missed a qualifier, a few years back I would have punished myself watching it.... now, just CBA.
a combination of my age and the waning appeal of the team, or even game.
Did you have s bet Doris?
no - i'm not really a gambler, and there were long queues at the betting stands. They were really trying to push some fairly optimistic combos too - Rashford to score in both halves plus a final score of 4-1, for some unexciting odds.
Glad i didn't, because if anything i would have gone for 1-1 and lost my tenner!
Then yesterday we went for a day out at the Natural History Museum. Pretty scary after todays news 🙁
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Nobberinthefridge - Member
Aye, we're guaranteed to fall at the last hurdle, but it'll be a glorious failure, and at least the football will be good.
Betting on a glorious draw so we miss out on goal difference?
Like I said.....
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Nobberinthefridge - Member
Aye, we're guaranteed to fall at the last hurdle, but it'll be a glorious failure, and at least the football will be good.Betting on a glorious draw so we miss out on goal difference?
Like I said.....
That wasn't glorious, not up to our usual.
Glorious failure again by the Scots..... When was the last time Scotchland qualified for a major tournament?
98.
Scotland are in much the same boat as England imo, a group of unremarkable players to choose from, except with roughly 1/10th of the population the talent pool is smaller which makes things rather tougher.
Kinda have to wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong with the way football is taught in the UK though as we seem to have an entire generation of mediocre unimaginative players.
I disagree slightly, we have some good players playing in the SPL, but have a manager that favours those that play in the English lower leagues.
He's a stubborn wee nob.
The decline in Scottish football/footballers has been stark. In the 60s, 70s and 80s every decent English club side had numerous Scots, and they were usually keen to that side's success, domestically and in Europe. Hardly any Scots at such a level now - Strachan picks Championship players over the SPL as its a better standard.
That said, despite the talent pool Scotland as a team underachieved even more than England in that period, having never even got out the group stage at a major tournament, with many glorious failures along the way. Look at some of those Scottish teams and it's bizarre they never achieved anything of note at a major tournament. Now even getting to one seems even more distant.
Strachan took too long to change the central defenders and give Griffith a chance, call it stubbornness or loyalty but in a qualifying campaign you don't have time to make many mistakes. It was the results earlier in the campaign that cost us, not todays.
As an England fan can I just extend my heart felt condolences to my Scots brothers at what must be a very difficult...ah who am I kidding?....Yaaaaaarrrrrrrr yer haggis munchers, have that!
. Hardly any Scots at such a level now - Strachan picks Championship players over the SPL as its a better standard.
How many championship teams in the champions league this year?.
Another World Cup without the Tartan Army which is a shame,looking forward to another english failure in the group stages :-).
The decline in Scottish football/footballers has been stark. In the 60s, 70s and 80s every decent English club side had numerous Scots
They also had numerous English players aswell......
On a personal view, my 14 year old son has just stopped playing football this summer. He used to play for a local club but the facilities, muddy pitches littered with dog shit and the coaches, kick it as far as you can or kick the opposition, weren't great. Despite this he was selected to do a two year programme at high school run by the SFA. He worked really hard and mostly enjoyed it but would get frustrated with other kids not working as hard and the coaches letting them get away with bad attitudes. At the end of the two years the programme finished, we got no feedback and there was no suggestions as to how he could move on with football. I wonder how many promising players are lost like this. It may have been that they know he's committed to diving which he loves and competes at a high level but there were no attempts from the SFA coaches to change his mind. At a senior level I don't think they train hard enough, if you're not good enough, work harder. My son's training 14 hours a week along with going to school, I bet that's more than pro footballers.
England's problem is they are most suited to counter attacking, but the reality is that most teams will sit deep against them and prevent it. The only way of unlocking the defence then is some creative midfielders, of which they haven't really got any. Berkley or Winks are probably the only 2 and neither of them are anything like world class.
Am I the only one who thinks Rashford is over rated? Sure he has promise but is a long way from the finished article. Did little in either game when it came to a decent final ball or shot. The only one i can think of, is the free kick.
Oh and the Ox is sh*t. Arsenal mugged Liverpool with his sale.
DT - course they did. My point was that there are no Scottish players at such a level now, barring the few that play for Celtic who get 6 games a season in the Champions League.
Walk around the parks, no body is playing football. When I was a kid the parks were crowded with people having a kick about. Most of my mates' kids would rather play computer games.
