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But I ain’t gonna argue about it.
We're not arguing, we're in absolute agreement that the 'instruction' was unclear and without further explanation, different people have different interpretations.
Where we could argue is whether different people have different initial starting positions that make them more likely to interpret the request differently. We should all take care not to do that, no matter how hard, and try to focus on facts, not emotions. Not easy when faced with emotive topics.
Edit - just seen Monkeyboyjc's post.
"By what the op has said.....
What have they actually said?
There's an instant response to blame the manager. You have no idea how hard the manager has pushed back against the request to the SLT (maybe the manager is the SLT) or what pressures the manager is under to get this going. We weren't there and don't know whether this is bad messaging / poor interpretation of what was actually being asked. To suggest that as a result they have 'no confidence in their manager' and should find another job, on that snippet of information, is to quote..."Wow"
Managers are not LFT experts, neither are the senior managers, they are working things out as guidance is introduced and trying to understand how this applies to their setting, they are doing this pretty much in real time. This is nearly as new to them as it is to OP wife. I guess the reason I responded to this thread so quickly was that I find it frustrating that an employee would go straight to Unions to object rather than asking considered questions and being part of the process to work things out and help move us all forward to opening up society.
Well I've come in to this thread and read through all of the OPs responses (and others comments/replys) to come to that conclusion.
Edit – just seen Monkeyboyjc’s post.
It's irrelevant that we 'werent there' as it's the impression I've personally come to. And it's only up to the op or his wife to agree or disagree with me.
I find it frustrating that an employee would go straight to Unions to object rather than asking considered questions and being part of the process to work things out and help move us all forward to opening up society.
This is also part of my reasoning why the ops wife could be unhappy in her work place.
There’s an instant response to blame the manager. You have no idea how hard the manager has pushed back against the request to the SLT (maybe the manager is the SLT) or what pressures the manager is under to get this going. We weren’t there and don’t know whether this is bad messaging / poor interpretation of what was actually being asked. To suggest that as a result they have ‘no confidence in their manager’ and should find another job, on that snippet of information, is to quote…”Wow”
I was going to say something similar but you have done a much better job of it than I would have done.
I think you've read other's comments and come to that conclusion, monkeyboy. The Op's comments are actually pretty non-committal about the manager.
Equally i don't think asking a union rep what they think is the red rag, def con 1 situation that others read it as. I know my union rep well, I talk to them about things a lot of the time, sometimes on a 'what do you think of this' basis.
But you might be right, your impression is just a valid as anyone else's.
Equally i don’t think asking a union rep what they think is the red rag, def con 1 situation that others read it as.
Not if you understand what a union is for. Some think that asking for union advice or help is akin to calling a general strike! The timescales for the OP's other half... from instruction/request... to performing the work... hardly allowed for a few weeks discussion and contemplation before speaking to the union, did it.
I think you’ve read other’s comments and come to that conclusion, monkeyboy. The Op’s comments are actually pretty non-committal about the manager.
Tbf it's not just the manager - that was just an example. My pov is If your complaining on an unrelated forum about a workplace, rather than confronting the workplace/manager, then generally I would assume your unhappy with that workplace - not necessarily just the manager.