Forum menu
It’s difficult to imagine how that would have fitted through the cave system described by the rescuers.
Well, I seem to recall he offered his boring (drilling) equipment first, so I guess the intention was to drill a new "cave" big enough for his sub. It was one idea offered when there was also the thought of the boys being stuck in the cave until October when the rainy season had subsided. Which idea was the most stupid?
WTF does Elon Muck know about cave diving, never mind cave rescues?
A massive publicity stunt and I hope the diver sues him for his ridiculous tweets.
Did Musk actually call the bloke a Pedo?
Bit odd, Shirley a typo.
he actually did, and then doubled down on it, and now the diver is considering suing. I hope he does.
Cause if there's one thing America needs, it's another petulant, thin-skinned billionaire who hates the press, can't take criticism and has a mob of faithful disciples who'll shout down anyone he wants to set them on
:/
Musk has previous for this sort of behaviour. When JC slated one of his early electric cars on TG many years ago Musk went after him and tried to sue him in course. He's like many other successful people, a classic Psychopath. He goes full tilt for whatever objective they have in mind and don't care who they trample on to achieve their goals. They are without empathy or sympathy, totally focussed on their goal. This clearly was a publicity stunt, he might very well have had some genuine desire to help on some level, but never asked the question "can he actually help", and instead focused on the potential opportunity for a bit of marketing and reinforcing his reputation for approaching problems with innovative solutions - though the reality is with these things for every successful idea there are a thousand failures, and this clearly one of the failures. And as soon as someone starts to criticise him he gets into them aggressively to discredit and take them out of the picture. Much like Trump in that respect.
There is much to be admired with Musk and his ilk in challenging and pushing the realms of what's possible through their sheer determination and single minded drive...often what is needed to make breakthroughs as you can't always rely on governments to progress very quickly - or at all. But like everything, a sensible check and balance needs to be applied because it is inevitable they'll go too far.
Yeah he's not coming across well at the moment. Very Trump-esque.
I work in the automotive industry, and lots of people don't think very highly of his over-sold and mis-named "autopilot" tech either. It's already killed a few people, and the company that designed the original version (MobilEye) refuse to deal with Tesla anymore.
It was meant to be a behind the scenes safety net but Tesla are selling it as an autonomous car you have to keep an eye on. Hence people watching videos on their laptop, or getting in to the passenger seat whilst the "autopilot" is on.
I'm not sure whether he just saw it as a publicity stunt or a genuine opportunity to help, but...
If you look at the video of the “submarine” that Musk released, it looks awful like a metal tube with oxygen cylinders strapped to the outside, being pushed and towed by two divers. It’s difficult to imagine how that would have fitted through the cave system described by the rescuers.
I can't see how, even if it would have fitted through the cave system, it would have been any better than a breathing cylinder/face mask (which I know they were talking of using rather than just mouthpiece as it was more intuitive to use for newbie divers).
It's typical of Musk's bell endery to have some bit of tech and insist it's the solution, with total overconfidence- look at the performance of the various Tesla innovations. They're not that great, they're a sketchy consumer tech solution applied to an area that needs in depth well tested engineering solutions.
Calling the guy a pedo because he said what most non-fanboys thought of the whole exercise, and said it wasn't helpful anyay, and because his solution wasn't the best is just odd. At least challenging the leader of the rescue on his expertise, whilst misguided, was kind of understandable with his inflated ego and "my way is the best way" attitude and lack of understanding of the situation. Saying it to his twitter followers in the way he did just shows him for what he is - a massive thin skinned bully who thinks he has all the answers but in reality understands little.
I work in the automotive industry, and lots of people don’t think very highly of his over-sold and mis-named “autopilot” tech either. It’s already killed a few people, and the company that designed the original version (MobilEye) refuse to deal with Tesla anymore.
It was meant to be a behind the scenes safety net but Tesla are selling it as an autonomous car you have to keep an eye on. Hence people watching videos on their laptop, or getting in to the passenger seat whilst the “autopilot” is on.
Yes, this is the sort of thing I was referring to when I said about selling flaky consumer tech in an application that requires a thorough and well engineered solution. He just doesn't understand that making something like a car requires a bit more care than making an iPhone app or something.
After watching Incredibles2 at the weekend,maybe Musk is secretly THE UNDERMINER !
So he could have drilled down and saved those kids. 🙂
I like the guy. Seems OK to me.
That's pretty much where I was until a day or so ago.
I feel some sympathy for embarassed Morrissey fans now - we've ignored so much and "it's just Elon, you know, he's like that" and you make allowances and focus on the innovation and the excitement and then, rather like those fans who can no longer ignore the elephant in the room when it's promoting "Britain First" and calling for the release of Tommy Robinson, so it is when Musk, with apparently not a shred of evidence, accuses someone of being a paedophile in a fit of pique because his shiny toy wasn't any use.
He's off my Christmas card list now.
It’s almost as if some people posting in this thread haven’t even spotted that Musk called the guy a ‘pedo’.
This is not about a submarine, guys!
Musk's companies had technology that [i]possibly[/i] could have helped...but probably not in the time frame or the physical constraints - male chicken of biggest order with ego to match that shouldn't be apologised for
Musk called the guy a ‘pedo’.
Exactly, a guy who gave up his holiday, volunteered his services, genuinly helped out with the rescue operation and didn't seek any reward or publicity. Just because he was on holiday in Thailand at the time does not make him a 'pedo'..........
IMHO Musk is a cock-womble of the highest order..........
he actually did, and then doubled down on it, and now the diver is considering suing. I hope he does.
Is astonished.
Male Chicken, not free range nor organic.
Weapons grade male chicken.
I think part of his problem is the rabid fans who cheer on whatever he comes out. Must help remove any semblance of reality.
He might be pushing forward with advertising new tech but he is by all accounts a male chicken.
there may well be a reason people only work for him for short periods....
Musk called the guy a ‘pedo’.
Exactly, a guy who gave up his holiday, volunteered his services, genuinly helped out with the rescue operation and didn’t seek any reward or publicity. Just because he was on holiday in Thailand at the time does not make him a ‘pedo’……….
It's not that bigger deal either way, but I got the impression Vern Unsworth lives very locally to the caves and knows them like the back of his hand and therefore instrumental in not only persuading the Thai authorities to ask for outside specialist help, but gave the international rescue effort/Thai Navy divers invaluable info about the caves. So, he wasn't on holiday, I believe.
No, he lives there and has been exploring the cave system for six years.
Rachel
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Well, I seem to recall he offered his boring (drilling) equipment first, so I guess the intention was to drill a new “cave” big enough for his sub. It was one idea offered when there was also the thought of the boys being stuck in the cave until October when the rainy season had subsided. Which idea was the most stupid?</span>
Mr Musk appears to disagree, and was convinced his "mini sub" could get through the caves without drilling:
"Based on extensive cave video review & discussion with several divers who know journey, SpaceX engineering is absolutely certain that mini-sub can do entire journey & demonstrate at any time,"
Pedalo, he meant pedalo.
Based on extensive cave video review...
😆
Utter male chicken.
Massive **** imho.
I'm not even that impressed by the stuff he has done as the government seems to have paid for a lot of it.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
Until he gives as much away as Bill Gates I'll hold my current view.
He has behaved like the very end of the bell.
Simple solution, put him in the sub and let him navigate the cave system to where the kids were.
He can crow about it when / if he makes it out alive.
I admit I'd not really looked into his background and reputation, and been impressed by Space X stuff and the car in space, but now I'm seeing him for the **** he really is. Totally lost any respect I had for him now after this spat, his tweets and the more I look into him.
He's just a high-tech Trump.
Full of shit PR stunts, spouts rubbish and insults on twitter and has loads of money.
Reading more into it, I'm hearing Tesla is a bit of a balls up on the finances, isn't really a viable product range, failures and poor work environment. Space X is sort of okay as a private space venture but beyond being a space truck for supplies, the rest is fluff. The car apparently missed its planned orbit and was pointless anyway. The landing of the launch stage rockets is impressive but I can't help feeling that's just for show also. I wonder what the real cost saving is compared to parachute and recovery with refurbish (though that wasn't much of a saving either with SRBs with the shuttle as it was practically a replacement of every part to refurbish it).
The cave thing has echoed Trump like ego. He's even saying he'll go to the cave with his sub anyway to prove he was right. Prize cockwomble.
Opinion revised. He may be a decent innovator, but he is a bell end for actually calling the dive rescuer a pedo.
Just imagine if Elon's sub had got stuck at some nasty tricky pinch-point in the cave, having accidentally ripped out the guide rope - you would then have to send some more divers down to try to unwedge it, underwater, in pitch black, with time running out to rescue anyone from the now-inaccessible far end of the cave.
My next car won't be a Tesla.
Pedo? Isn’t that what Pete Docherty calls himself now? You know, like JLo.
Pedo? Isn’t that what Pete Docherty calls himself now? You know, like JLo.
😆
Who said Thunderbirds? This is Team America made real.
Elon Musk has done some good stuff, but this isnt' it.
Can't wait to see how Musk is portrayed in the hollywood film of the cave rescue....
BinDun..
Replace the aeroplane box thing with a sub and a cave, keep the main character profile..
Male Chicken, not free range nor organic
Oh I'd say organic. Massively so.
Tesla shares down 3% this morning apparently -$295m loss. Whatever that means. As EM's personality is a huge part of the valuation if I owned shares I'd be slightly worried.
I'm starting to change my opinion of him.
Just imagine
Why?
I’m starting to change my opinion of him
I'm not. I didn't have one on the first place and I still haven't. Much bigger male chickens to fry in this world, if you get my drift.
Maybe he was trying to give the guy a back handed compliment?
He might , mistakenly, think the guy is a paedo but he clearly thinks he's the most skilled and dedicated paedo the world has ever seen. Back in the day, hanging about a school playground with a bag of sweeties and a vague promise of seeing some puppies was enough....but not for this guy.
As far as Elon Musk is concerned, If this guy is going to target kiddies he's going for the most difficult ones in the world to reach, whilst under the spotlight of the world media.
Musk clearly respects this level of commitment and dedication.
He is a prize cock. When it was pointed out that calling someone a 'pedo' was a little inflammatory if untrue, he insisted it was and would bet 'a signed dollar' that it was.
He later deleted it all, no doubt after legal advice, but the genie is out of the bottle.
It's reasonable to assume the diver guy does not have these proclivities, so his extended holiday in Thailand just got a big new sponsor.
The Trump-style 'sorry not sorry' grovelling has started, which contains a priceless bit of paraphrasing:
"My words were spoken in anger after Mr. Unsworth said several untruths & suggested I engage in a sexual act with the mini-sub, which had been built as an act of kindness & according to specifications from the dive team leader," he said.
FFS how can he continue to screw it up. He needs better PR advisors (and to stop being a cock).
Maybe his advisers could get him to explain that what he meant to say was the guy was NOT a pedo? Then that would explain everything and we could carry on as normal
You would think that the CEO of a company drilling a giant hole through California would know by now that the first thing to do if you are trying to get out is to stop digging.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/04/elon-musk-claims-diver-in-thai-cave-rescue-is-child-rapist-without-evidence?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboar d">Elon Musk calls Thailand diver 'child rapist' in latest baseless attack https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/04/elon-musk-claims-diver-in-thai-cave-rescue-is-child-rapist-without-evidence
Looks like he is at it again
I am rich, I can trash you in whatever manner I like, safe in the knowledge that you will never have the funds, time or energy to compete with me legally.
What a prize turd.
Phah 🤣
Unsworth will have enough support to fight those allegations, no problem finding funding I suspect. There are plenty of Musk Haters out there who would willingly crowdfund (or corporate) fund any legal claims.
Its certainly a story to unfold this one.
I am rich, I can trash you in whatever manner I like, safe in the knowledge that you will never have the funds, time or energy to compete with me legally.
Well unless i have to pay to pay all my money to defend stock manipulation lawsuits
Does he behave like a dick when he's taking medication or not taking it?
What a strange man.