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Agree with the statement up there that it is more about the downfall of Musk than Twitter. He is clearly a dangerous idiot who happens to be very rich.
Whether you like Gates, Bezos, Jobs and so on they are much more grown up and profession who just would ever do the sort of stupid stuff Musk does and it is starting to catch up with him. Once it gets rolling a bit more and people pull out of things, question why they would buy a car from a man so ridiculous etc,. it will unwind completely.
Whether you like Gates, Bezos, Jobs and so on they are much more grown up
You know, at least the arseholes of their times; The Vanderbilts, Rothschilds and Rockefellers were the benefactors of Libraries, Universities, hospitals, Endowments and so on. Our man-children build penis shaped rockets and go to "not quite space" with old Canadian actors. Call rescue workers "peodos" and if you ever need to see and hear how much of a testy little prick Gates actually is, grab yourself a copy/ video of his deposition when Microsoft was being sued for being colossal aresholes.
They are not, by any sensible measure, "grown up". and while you can laugh at them, they are as a group - of "silicon valley entrepreneurs" , wildly over entitled, think that they're opinions on pretty much everything are better than anyone elses; mostly anti-democratic or learn autocratically very right, and are actively either doing themselves or funding groups or individuals who are doing their damnest to bring about their vision of the future. One where they and people like them have political power, and folks like you and me, do not.
Fair enough - a low bar bit I still think Musk is a different sort of incompetent.
The worry for me is the off-stage voices that are talking to Musk that we're not hearing, (and I realise this is straying into conspiracy theory-land) I think - some evidence of it has already been published that whatever Musk is attempting to do at Twitter, he's not doing it alone.
if you ever need to see and hear how much of a testy little prick Gates actually is, grab yourself a copy/ video of his deposition when Microsoft was being sued for being colossal aresholes.
From 20 years ago? I vaguely remember being a Gates hater, turning to Linux (and still use it) on my home PCs. But hasn't the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation made up for it yet, made him soft and cuddly almost, doesn't it put him with your prior group of filty rich arseholes? 😀
that they’re opinions on pretty much everything are better than anyone elses;
Thought that was just a part of being human, seems to be a part of 99% of humans I encounter online and IRL.
But hasn’t the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation made up for it yet
No, the Foundation is just a way of making sure that everything that has worth is monetised. It's founding philosophy is that "If you want good things to happen, make it worth (ie make money) someones time to do that" It's still a shill for millionaires.
These folks are not on our side.They mostly want whats best for a v small group of people (ie them). The argument that billionaires (tech or otherwise) are more of a clear and present danger than climate change is not entirely meritless.
I think the idea that Gates is bad despite his philanthropy, but Rockefeller's philanthropy cancels out his scumbaggery is a bit of a reach tbh. If we had footage of Rockefeller in some of his trials for being a colossal arsehole, you might form a similar opinion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
Approximately 21 people, including miners' wives and children, were killed. John D. Rockefeller Jr., a part-owner of CF&I who had recently appeared before a United States congressional hearing on the strikes, was widely blamed for having orchestrated the massacre.
I think the idea that Gates is bad despite his philanthropy, but Rockefeller’s philanthropy cancels out his scumbaggery is a bit of a reach tbh.
Gates is a prick, his philanthropy is a good thing. Rockefeller was a much bigger prick than Gates. His philanthropy was also a good thing. I would have been better if they weren't such utter pricks.
Just reading about all this.
Might we see the proper collapse of Twitter?
Might we also see Musk booted from many of the other companies he is involved with?
It seems he is intent on everyone working 100 hour weeks, jumping when he snaps his fingers, and no idea of the effort it takes to do things properly...is he 'damaged goods' which no one will want to work with in future?
It’d be heartwarming to think so, but the Musks and Trumps of this world seem to be like cockroaches in their resilience against being held to account.
is he ‘damaged goods’ which no one will want to work with in future?
To be quite honest, no one much wants to work for him/with him now.
Unless he stuns them with quite brain bending salary offers.
Pretty sure Rockerfeller &co just set up those museums and art galleries and that just so they could have their name emblazoned on the side and all their rich ****er friends would see it as they went in for their rich person entertainments.
You know, at least the arseholes of their times; The Vanderbilts, Rothschilds and Rockefellers were the benefactors of Libraries, Universities, hospitals, Endowments and so on.
…only after spending most of their lives behaving EXACTLY like Musk.
Gates is the exception. Microsoft rarely (never?) abused its workers to the benefit of its CEO.
Pretty sure Rockerfeller &co just set up those museums and art gallerie
Yeah. A modern version is the Sacklers and their attempts to buy respectability whilst pushing opiates to the US population.
Microsoft rarely (never?) abused its workers to the benefit of its CEO.
MS, like many other tech companies, did have a habit of making many staff contractors and treating them like crap.
I have read a couple of stories about Gates which suggest the philanthropy was due to his, now ex, wife having a positive impact on him.
So Murdoch & others well be waiting in the wings for musk ti bring it all down so they can launch the next twitter
So Murdoch & others well be waiting in the wings for musk ti bring it all down so they can launch the next twitter
A mass exodus to Truth Social 🫣
It's all about Matt Hancock the app 😳
We're all on there, right?
https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/17/twitter_refugees_matt_hancock/
So Murdoch & others well be waiting in the wings for musk ti bring it all down so they can launch the next twitter
I think after the myspace debacle Murdoch will be keeping to the old fashioned media. It has lost some effectiveness but still has plenty of punching power and he is a master of it.
I thought the 'space Karen' thing was a stroke of genius!
Script for the next series of Succession being rewritten as we speak?
...has now re-instated trump's a/c.
Madness has been unleashed.
Jesus, has Mar-A-Lago been running on swamp coolers all this time? That would drive anyone nuts.
I think after the myspace debacle Murdoch will be keeping to the old fashioned media. It has lost some effectiveness but still has plenty of punching power and he is a master of it.
I think there's a gap in the market.
Launch it as a means to log in and comment on news story's on one thread rather than the disparate facebook, twitter, etc feeds. Add in some echo chambering so 90% of the comments you see agree with you.
Allow anyone to post their own 'news'.
Et Voila, new twitter.
I guess not everyone share's the general opinion in this thread, not this influencer anyway:
Why would you tattoo a penis on your forehead? He has a picture of a rocket too.
He's right though. He is a rocket.
What's everyone's views on Apple pulling a large proportion of its advertising from twitter?
It's seems like Elon has forgotten that he has to keep his major add revenue clients happy for his social town square experiment to work. Add into that Apple holding the platform to 30% of his users. Could this be the straw that broke the camels back?
I did giggle when I read it. Poor entitled Elon doesn't get his money back
Apple pulling advertising isn’t the same as them pulling the app from the App Store (unless they’ve done that too, which would kill Twitter, I think)
But he needs the advertising revenue to pay the interest on the loans he took out to pay for this…
I see Jack Dorsey is setting up a new SoMe platform
He's playing the free speech card against Apple I see.
That's his answer to any criticism basically.
Does that mean we can all go on Twitter and call him a c*** and not get banned?😂
What a man child.
Not an Apple fanboy but Apple should be free to spend their advertising revenue wherever they want (free speech) BUT I have reservations about whether they should have the power to pull the app from the app store (without allowing their phones to have apps installed from alternative sources)
I don’t know why he thinks free speech is an argument here.
People may have the right to say what they want, but that doesn’t come without consequences as Alex Jones is finding out. One of those consequences is advertisers saying ‘this platform isn’t for us’.
But he needs the advertising revenue to pay the interest on the loans he took out
Twitter already had the advertising revenue, and was losing hundreds of millions per year before Elon added a billion a year of interest payments to their outgoings.
I don’t know why he thinks free speech is an argument here.
Its because your understanding of free speech diverges from his.
His seems to be that him and anyone with similar beliefs should be allowed to say what they want when they want without consequence.
Others not so much.
Alex Jones is a great example. Musk has said he is still banned from twitter since Musk finds what he said about the shootings offensive.
Which whilst I dont disagree doesnt really support his claimed position on free speech.
His seems to be that him and anyone with similar beliefs should be allowed to say what they want when they want without consequence.
Others not so much.
Which is the exact Republican definition of free speech.
All the while claiming that the media (which they mostly own) is too leftwing and woke and snowflake-y and shouldn't be in any way critical.
https://twitter.com/HCraigBlue/status/1596889864489684992?t=ErhY4zsjvxXMq4uXv4FCSw&s=19
I have reservations about whether they should have the power to pull the app from the app store
I'm pretty sure Musk is vastly overstating things when he says Apple are threatening to pull Twitter from the App Store - I suspect they've sent a reminder that social media apps available on the App Store must have a certain level of moderation. They pulled Parler in the past and have since re-instated it so it's nothing to do with Musk allowing right-wing nut jobs back on the platform - they'll just need to be moderated/banned if they cross the line (again) into hate speech etc.
I’m pretty sure Musk is vastly overstating things when he says Apple are threatening to pull Twitter from the App Store
I'd suspect that he's threatened to not pay them, as from the tweets I've seen, he's been quite vocal about a 30% hidden apple tax - which is just the fee apple take from every app.
The man's an absolute nut case.
I’m pretty sure Musk is vastly overstating things when he says Apple are threatening to pull Twitter from the App Store
I dunno. He is moving it towards a subscription based model so Apple are likely to want their normal cut for in app purchases. Since Musk apparently posted a meme saying he wasnt going to do that it could well end in tears/court cases.
Just beaten to the probable problem!
I think the workaround when there’s no app is just to put a web shortcut on your iPhone homepage, but obviously it’s not quite as good.
The rights and wrongs aside, if Apple want to charge 30% for in-app purchases on what is a popular platform because of rather than despite being a walled garden, then that’s Apple’s look out. Musk has essentially two choices, and using the bear wrestling metaphor, as wealthy as he is, Apple is the bear here.
I’d suspect that he’s threatened to not pay them, as from the tweets I’ve seen, he’s been quite vocal about a 30% hidden apple tax – which is just the fee apple take from every app.
As I understand it, it's also levied on any money users pay through the app - so this would also apply to the $8/month blue tick stuff.
There’s a ‘yes and no’ there. If they subscribe through the iOS app then yes, but it’s possible (as plenty of other apps do) to allow subscription elsewhere and validate on the app.
Something like 60% of US teenagers have an Apple phone so it’s a huge market even with the 30% cut.
30% hidden apple tax
ah yes, the hidden tax that they announced to the world world on stage via Steve Jobs. I can't see how Musk isn't just turning off more and more companies, and Must empire board members, right now
If they subscribe through the iOS app then yes, but it’s possible (as plenty of other apps do) to allow subscription elsewhere and validate on the app.
I thought that the ability to advertise it is restricted though. Certainly a whole bunch of legal cases going on in various countries at the moment with some countries having better options than others.
Throwing the toys out of the pram though as Musk seems to be doing isnt likely to end well.
I imagine Apple quite fancy buying Twitter on the cheap. They're likely to keep twisting the knife for some while.