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A friend drove 30 miles to run a 14 mile point to point along a local long distance path. There's no public transport, only way to do it is with 2 cars, and she did it with someone outside her family.

Oh, and she's in the polis.


 
Posted : 20/06/2020 3:12 pm
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Busy out on the roads of the Tweed Valley. Busted out a long ride very early this Am. stopped at Glentress Hotel for a cuppa as we saw it was open and wanted to support. Checked with the guy that we were welcome and he laughed out loud - everyone is welcome ! Good cuppa and some insightful chat on arseholes wanting to park there and not pay which they are asking for at the moment. Tons of bikes out and lots of camping up at St Mary’s loch and beyond, obv the rules don’t apply to everyone 🙄 But then you could say the same about us riding from home (150k round trip)


 
Posted : 20/06/2020 3:41 pm
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Looking at phase 4, can't see much in the way of specifics, anyone any idea if Tattoo artists can work from phase 4, or if that's taboo until after phase 4 is complete?.

I was booked in for some work in April, fingers crossed it'll be soon.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 2:46 pm
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Does anyone have insight into when CalMac/Harris & Lewis may be opening up?


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 3:31 pm
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Does anyone have insight into when CalMac/Harris & Lewis may be opening up?

Assuming like other islands the locals are (understandably) getting a bit concerned that when phase 3 comes and travel is "permitted" social distancing will still mean capacity is only c. 20% and pre-booked tourists will be prioritised over locals. I think their next timetable update is due next week.

Looking at phase 4, can’t see much in the way of specifics, anyone any idea if Tattoo artists can work from phase 4, or if that’s taboo until after phase 4 is complete?

I can't see any reason why tatoo artists can't resume in phase 4. Of course nobody knows when phase 4 might come. if it follows that phase 4 is when schools go back to full time - perhaps mid October...


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 3:40 pm
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pre-booked tourists will be prioritised over locals

The only prioritising I've seen in terms of ferries is that anyone staying more than one night will be on board before day trippers, due to the obvious need for the island accomodation providers needing the bookings, and rightly so, but there's been no mention of locals that I've seen.

I can’t see any reason why tatoo artists can’t resume in phase 4. Of course nobody knows when phase 4 might come. if it follows that phase 4 is when schools go back to full time – perhaps mid October…

Aye, I couldn't see anything against it in phase 4. I'm of the opinion that schools will be back full time long before October btw, especially after the admission last week that phased learning was more of a fall back than plan A.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 3:52 pm
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Does anyone have insight into when CalMac/Harris & Lewis may be opening up?

No idea, but the Northlink ferries are now open for island residents to book trips to see family.

Priority is keyworkers, then islanders. Still no 'leisure use'.

When you book they ask the reason and if you will be able to comply with covid guidance. As we will be away more than a day trip they asked where we will be staying (not the actual address) to see if we are complying. As we're going to England after 4th July and booked accommodation near family that was fine. The lady on the phone was taking notes, so they're being fairly cautious.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 4:17 pm
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The CalMac Islay ferry timetable is being reviewed on 30 June. I'm expecting it to return to a full service from mid July. We have the last week in July booked in a cottage on Islay. The booking can be cancelled for free until 11 July. Fingers crossed things continue to improve at suitable pace.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 4:29 pm
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Lockdown has lost public support, its over.

Buy a mask if it makes you feel safer and let's all just get on with rebuilding our lives and what's left of this crumbling, shithole of a country.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 4:33 pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if school's we're back full time in August.
Our powers that be aren't rushing the blended learning plan out and it's a week of school left. We need to get stuff to technician's and reprographics for August as they are usually term time contracts.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 4:34 pm
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shithole of a country

This is the Scots thread buddy, not sue if there is an English one 😉


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 4:41 pm
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^ 😆

It does seem that people have reached their limit and far more are choosing to ignore the guidelines though. I think Nicola's (and our) hard work will be wasted anyway when the infected English residents overwhelm us.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 4:44 pm
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shithole of a country

Are you on a small bridge on Rannoch Moor?


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 4:47 pm
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" Can’t even find a decent culture to be infected BY. "


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 4:50 pm
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Heb Ferries; we are hoping to get over soon as my wife hasn't been able to see her mother or other family since all of this started. We've been told that it'll be first come, first served with reduced numbers. That works fine for heading over to Lewis, less so for coming back when my wife has work to get to.

On a general point, despite things becoming a bit more lax, I'd say that there is still pretty good compliance to the current guidelines. I do think that reducing the "social distance" down to 1 metre effectively ends any pretence at containment though.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 5:27 pm
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Social distance of 1 metre concerns me.

Surely the inverse square law applies here, so at 1 metre you're likely to get 4 times as many droplets as at 2 metres.

In other words, it's not twice the risk but four times.

Or for a demo, find someone vaping and watch the dispersion pattern*.

Also talk of a second wave sounds too objective, it doesn't really emphasis that it's a second wave of death and grief, or for some a sentence of lifelong infirmity.

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*(Yeah, I know it's not the same as a sneeze or a cough)


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 5:59 pm
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A friend works as a piercer. They don't have any idea of when their studio can open again.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 6:45 pm
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Social distance of 1 metre concerns me.

Surely the inverse square law applies here, so at 1 metre you’re likely to get 4 times as many droplets as at 2 metres.

In other words, it’s not twice the risk but four times.

I seem to remember reading that they reckon there is 10 times the risk at 1m compared to 2m


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 7:03 pm
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Social distance of 1 metre concerns me.

Surely the inverse square law applies here, so at 1 metre you’re likely to get 4 times as many droplets as at 2 metres.

It sounds like madness to me when the Lancet have said that the infection rate doubles for ever metre reduction in social distancing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/01/risk-of-infection-could-double-if-2-metre-rule-reduced-study-finds

"The findings showed a reduction in risk of 82% with a physical distance of 1 m in both health-care and community settings (adjusted odds ratio [aOR] 0·18, 95% CI 0·09–0·38). Every additional 1 m of separation more than doubled the relative protection, with data available up to 3 m (change in relative risk [RR] 2·02 per m; pinteraction=0·041)."

It seems to me the only reason to reduce it to 1m is to make businesses profitable, and I don't think that's as important as saving lives.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 7:05 pm
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Lockdown has lost public support, its over.

no it hasn't.

Our powers that be aren’t rushing the blended learning plan out

both my kids primary school and the teenagers high school have let parents know what is happening.

The school I'm going to has it sorted as well.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 7:06 pm
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I’m guessing you can’t drive into Scotland yet? I’ve just sold a bike and fancied a road trip to deliver


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 7:19 pm
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Poah, I hope.youre not in Edinburgh. The plan is changing this week. It was being submitted for approval today.
I'm SBC and although the council may have sorted it. School's "management" haven't yet.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 7:30 pm
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I’m guessing you can’t drive into Scotland yet?

In the words of the Frenchies in the search for the Holy Grail, Go Away....


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 8:08 pm
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@nobeerinthefridge my mate is a tattooist and like YGH's piercer I'm pretty sure he has no idea when he's going to get back to work, I'll ask him though.

On ferries, surely cars don't need to socially distance? Can you not just have everyone sitting in their cars for the duration of a crossing? Then again someone could get cold and start running their engine in a closed deck. Hmm...


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 8:14 pm
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A couple of wee observations from this weekend. I met a mate in Embra who was picking up a new bike and heading back in the Gifford direction so rode back with him. Porty beach was like Benalmedena in high season , The meadows was like Oasis were about to play a gig easily 1000 people . Back at work today and as a train driver face masks obligatory and takes some getting used to when your actually in stations most of the day . It seems going by the general public when Im stopping my train they are all pretty good at wearing masks.
Now back to cycling , the weekend was obviously summer solstice and there were some big rides in decent weather . Again no problem with this in the grand scheme of things. Also (and flame away) The Golfie was busy and still epic.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 8:50 pm
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SK I'm pretty sure it'll be something to do with safety certificates, not allowed to stay in the car on Arran ferries at least.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 8:55 pm
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Can you not just have everyone sitting in their cars for the duration of a crossing?

Safety regulations. Cars cannot be occupied when sailing.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 8:59 pm
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I hope.youre not in Edinburg

Nope that’s schools from east ren, Renfrewshire and Glasgow.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 9:00 pm
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Our powers that be aren’t rushing the blended learning plan out and it’s a week of school left

I'm not going to spend too much time thinking about how to do blended learning because I think that by August it might not be a thing.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 9:13 pm
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I see the Cairngorms NP have been posting on FB telling people not to wild camp in the park. Unless it was some fake park account my colleague shared!


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 9:15 pm
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Safety regulations. Cars cannot be occupied when sailing.

I have wondered on the details of this. I’ve always just guessed it’s distance to evacuation points?


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 9:28 pm
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Email from School today.
S3 & S2 will get 1 day per week in school
All others will get 2 days.

My S2/S3 has had no live or even recorded face time with any of her teachers since lockdown.
My S4/S5 has had 2 sessions of live face time with only his physics teacher since lockdown.

School-based paid for music tuition which is usually 1 or 2 to 1 max hasn't happened either, yet private music tuition has somehow continued on skype/facetime/zoom almost uniterrupted.

It's been shockingly poor by any stretch of the imagination. I dread to think how some of the vulnerable / lower achieving kids at the school have been managing.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 10:08 pm
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It’s been shockingly poor by any stretch of the imagination. I dread to think how some of the vulnerable / lower achieving kids at the school have been managing.

They haven't been is the short answer.

There's massive variation in how schools have dealt with this and it largely boils down to the quality of the senior leadership team in the school. Both in terms of their abilities and how well they've been able to cope personally.

Between my school and my wife's school I've probably not seen quite the full spectrum from good to bad but there's certainly a big difference.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 10:21 pm
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My S2/S3 has had no live or even recorded face time with any of her teachers since lockdown

To show the other side of that, I ran a live Google Meet lesson on Friday for a whole year group (c100 pupils) and only 9 turned up.

Those 9 loved it and I'd still have done it if only one turned up but it does illustrate how poor engagement has been.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 10:27 pm
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I have wondered on the details of this. I’ve always just guessed it’s distance to evacuation points?

Id imagine its a legacy of the zeebrugge ferry disaster, where the car deck flooded sharpish, and even on a smallish ferry like the Arran one, you're then 4 flights of stairs away from lifecraft.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 10:33 pm
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On our inter-Island ferries in Shetland you are officially only allowed to stay in your car/on deck if the crossing is less than 30mins. In practise no one cares.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 10:40 pm
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None of ours have had face to face (1 in the academy other 3 in primary) My wife brought this up early door and got a line from the teacher saying that the teaching unions say they are under no obligation to do face to face teaching or even record a wee message for the kids yet some of the assignments they have asked the kids to do involve making a video of themselves about certain subjects.

bit shit if you ask me

I'd like to add though that I could never ever be a teacher!


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 10:42 pm
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Aye I thought SOLAS may come into it but tbh I was thinking more of nuggets who know better with their engines idling slowly asphyxiating everyone. Half hour limit sounds about right, that's usually wee open decked ferries anyway. Herald of Free Enterprise had other mitigations, can't remember what they were now, think that was to do with deck hatches and such.


 
Posted : 23/06/2020 12:16 am
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Tattoos are same time as hairdressers.


 
Posted : 23/06/2020 12:17 am
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None of ours have had face to face (1 in the academy other 3 in primary) My wife brought this up early door and got a line from the teacher saying that the teaching unions say they are under no obligation to do face to face teaching or even record a wee message for the kids yet some of the assignments they have asked the kids to do involve making a video of themselves about certain subjects.

bit shit if you ask me

I’d like to add though that I could never ever be a teacher!

Ours are specifically banned from turning their cameras on for "privacy" and "safeguarding" reasons. I've no idea how they've decided that Mr Jones the dodgy peado, might see another child on camera is a risk, but nobody seeing the child's mysterious bruises for several months is not...


 
Posted : 23/06/2020 12:53 am
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Yup, unrecorded live chats are a no-no in my authority for the above. I am not sure if people realise that there is a rise in unsubstantiated malicious complaints about teachers.As a union rep, it is clearly a "thing" just now; a good way to get up to a 3-6 month break from a staff member you don't like with no repercussions. We record the instructions to the online lessons so the pupils can see an familiar face, but would be opening ourselves up if we did live sessions.


 
Posted : 23/06/2020 7:42 am
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I've offered teams meetings lessons but no uptake, given in bge only about 25% engagement I'm not surprised. H is better engagement but they'd rather beaver away at work. My last offering is Thursday and then that's it as we'll either not need to or be in no position to next term.


 
Posted : 23/06/2020 8:47 am
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We record the instructions to the online lessons so the pupils can see an familiar face, but would be opening ourselves up if we did live sessions.

Well call me naive if you like but with a combination of parental permission and cameras off if the meeting is recorded and shared I feel quite safe running live sessions.

I get your concerns but I actually find it pretty sad that teachers would be so worried about false accusations they would not do something that brings massive benefits to pupils.

It's another example of of the fear and division this pandemic has created.


 
Posted : 23/06/2020 8:51 am
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The trouble with the Unions saying no one should be pressured into doing live lessons is that as well as addressing those who have real concerns about doing it it also gives a ready excuse to the naysayers and luddites of whom there are far too many still in teaching.


 
Posted : 23/06/2020 9:36 am
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I would've thought live lessons is generally quite a big part of a teachers job!


 
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