It's a sad face, I felt really guilty about it. J-L is one the good guys on this planet and spent a couple of months hobbling around because I hadn't looked over my shoulder before stopping. It's funny to read but none of us laughed as it happened, one of those falls when you know the outcome isn't going to be good.
Hmm... thanks Weeksy. I guess it's no longer owned by forstry anymore then? So fair enough they charge whatever they want.
Discrimination against the disabled isn't cool though 😉
Edukator’s story made me properly laugh
Really? Don't go and see live comedy or search youtube for "fail compilation" you'll probably have a siezure
Or I might laugh eh?
I'd feel bad about J-L's injuries, but I don't know him.
but I don’t know him.
Exactly, if it helps he's French too. 😉 The Russian drivers' shouts and curses as they wait for the inevitable impact are some of my favourite Youtube moments. I realise this makes me a very bad person.
There are bridleways throughout Gethin woods from the back of the visitor centre. Free to ebikes.
There, I've said it now.
All scottish trail centres are free to use. You pay for car parking.
Does BPW have a turnstile or something? Haven’t been since way before it exited (Gethin Forest pk).So I’m wondering what’s to stop me just eebing in and riding the trails? (some of which, if thy’re still there I helped build)
Not really no, you need to put a little plasic band on your bars, but it's not actively enforced you wouldn't be able to get on the uplift without one, even if you wanted to pay-per-lift.
I will admit in the past to riding without one, they used to start the kids club at 9, but not open the ticket office till 09:30 (and there's always a big queue) so to get a lap or 2 in whilst Jnr was in kids club I used to sneak up at 9. (kids club comes with a 'free' day pass for adults anyway).
All scottish trail centres are free to use. You pay for car parking.
Seem to remember it being per bike up at Golspie.
Discrimination against the disabled isn’t cool though 😉
not all e-bikers are disabled though.
Maybe showing a certificate of disablement should exempt you from the extra fee, and maybe showing a cert of disablement should also entitle you to some sort of tax break when buying the bike ?
Having someone go past me on a hill on an E-Bike doesnt bother me, its pedaling up a hill and people pushing up not getting out the way that is more annoying.
Maybe if I get an ebike I could actually run them over...
All scottish trail centres are free to use.
The vast majority of all the UK ones are. it's just the DH/park ones that run an uplift as part of their business model that charge. (other than parking etc)
Who lifts the ebikes onto the uplift rack?
An eCrane
‘e Man.
Does 'e have the power? 😆
All scottish trail centres are free to use. You pay for car parking.
My local trail centre is £25 a year, parking is free.
No0beer - where is that? Its basically illegal to charge for access to land in Scotland - my guess is thats a parking fee not a pay to ride.
"illegal to charge for access to land in Scotland"
That'll be handy next time Scotland are playing at Murrayfield or I fancy a quick spin around Knockhill or a round at St Andrews.
"Got an ebike, no issue with being charged more, seems fair enough to be honest."
Ditto. I'm not sure what I'll do next time I go to BPW. Either take the e-bike or strap 10lbs of lead to the downtube of my normal bike to make the suspension work as well as the e-bike's...
I have walked and ridden around st andrews golf course - access rights apply. Obviously not at murryfield or knockhill as that is not land where access rights apply nor is it paying to access the land
"not land where access rights apply"
The point I was trying to make is that neither is a trail centre. Land Reform Act (Scotland) 2003 6 (1) (e).
No0beer – where is that? Its basically illegal to charge for access to land in Scotland – my guess is thats a parking fee not a pay to ride.
Kelburn estate. Parking is free, always has been. We pay 25 quid a year, they built and maintain the trails. Sure we could all just ignore them, ride it anyway, then they'd stop the work and we'd all suffer.
It must be odd to live in your world, where everything is black or white, legal or illegal.
ajaj - actually (most) trail centres are land where access laws apply. NO trail centre in scotland has been shown to be "land set aside for a particular purpose". Even if they were then access rights still apply like they do on golf courses.All the seven stanes are open access land
No beer - so a voluntary contribution to trail building then? seems reasonable. Its not a charge to access the land. It cannot be by my understanding of the law. Where is scotroutes - he knows this stuff better than me 😉
Past tense there Nobeer, did you not see that post last year? Obviously wasn't making enough money.
I don't care if ebikes overtake me on the uphills, what does annoy me is arseholes battering their way through without as much as a warning.
Aye, circumstances have changed SK, Nick that did most of the building is gone, but I just like to challenge Tj and his know everything statements.
People pay to go cycling? and the Gym? and Play 5 aside?
Weird.
It's actually free.
People pay to go cycling? and the Gym? and Play 5 aside?
Weird.
You are free to go cycling where ever you want to, if however you want to go and ride a bike on some top man made trails that require a lot of effort to build you are entirely free to exchange cash for that, you could even try a truffle shuffle in front of the ticket queue if you want, or see how much that chip on your shoulder is worth.
Yeah I know, was kinda hoping you were going to tell me I was misinformed and there was a change of plan.
"You are free to go cycling where ever you want to, if however you want to go and ride a bike on some top man made trails that require a lot of effort to build you are entirely free to exchange cash for that, you could even try a truffle shuffle in front of the ticket queue if you want, or see how much that chip on your shoulder is worth."
Whoosh
hahah
C'mon NoBeer that's hardly a challenge now is it?
😀
😂 @ geex
Unfortunately not Squirrelking, I think they have realised there's no money in MTB and will go back to focusing on the horsey set, drunk pheasant shooting set and the manky looking glampistas. 😊
Ah well, back to Dougie Park it is. Wonder if anyone would notice a run down the hydro pipeline?
Dougie Park is a blast from the past!
Let's be fair, you could easily ride bpw without paying a penny.
Let’s be fair, you could easily ride bpw without paying a penny.
Add Inners uplift to that too...
Hydro pipeline SK? Tbh, the trails at Kelburn won't disappear, We'll probably do a bit of work on them, as will the Fairlie lads, and there will be no closing for winter as there was before as per the estate rules.
I only ever use it as a couple of last runs after coming off the moor anyway, it's not big enough to justify a whole ride there, shame really, as it had the potential to be much bigger if they'd followed through on their initial plans to go right up beyond the tree line.
Yeah the buried pipeline from Bellsdale up to the dam at the Gretas. The track is an absolute shocker with zero drainage so nobody walks up there, it's passable in summer but otherwise a mudfest. Put in a bit of drainage though and you could probably sculpt something out of it albeit in a straight line...
Dunno about keeping trails going, I know people were wanting to build in there for years with no joy, I imagine they wouldn't be above wrecking everything to keep folk away. As you say it's a shame as the land doesn't particularly lend itself to trails despite the elevation. Lots of gravel though.
I may email the estate just to see what nonsense they come up with! 🙂
there’s no money in MTB
On a thread complaining about having to pay.
Yes, that was my point, in general MTBers spend money on kit, and baulk at having to pay for riding.
It wouldn't bother me paying to ride somewhere good, rather than this current bollocks of 'paying for parking' in the middle of nowhere.
**** the money.
**** paying for parking.
Build, look after, maintain and share your trails.
Ps. Emtbs wipe the floor with regular mtbs for trailbuilding/maintenance
^ It makes lugging tools up much easier. I was doing some drainage work last week then sessioning the tracks on mine.
Build, look after, maintain and share your trails.
A fine mantra sir.
I wish every MTBer would donate one weekend a year to trail building, imagine the amount of awesome tracks we would have?.
The trail building scene is as healthy now as I've ever known it TBF but there are still a hell of a lot of folk who seem to just think they build/maintain themselves. Fees to enter forests and car parks with facilities to play on nicely groomed trials doesn't exactly do much to educate them.
On a thread complaining about having to pay.
If you knew the land owner in question you would know what we were talking about. "Installed" trails then expected to make money from sod all including the particularly embarrassing bit where they couldn't deliver an already promised enduro. More money to be made from hosting crusties for festivals a few times a year then setting about the pheasants and wildlife for the remaining 6 months.
Was no reason the trails couldn't continue to exist except he wouldn't make money off them.
