Now the drugs don't work, They just make you worse...........But I know I'll see your face again.................... 😀
when my dad arrived in afghanistan in 1967 the border guard said 'have you got any hashish with you?' my dad being a scruffy hippy had made sure he didnt. 'no' 'what?' the guard said and then fished out a lump of afghani the size of his fist gave it to my dad and said 'welcome to afghanistan, have a nice stay!'
bloody can of worms or what.......... 😉
Got any more ton? I shall get withdrawal without my daily Tontroll
teej, this one was not a troll.
Is Brother Binners now a tee-total, non-drug taking monk?
no, but he occasionally rides his bike with one (me! haha!)
Still, I have absolutely no regrets about it. I had the time of my life, whilst all my old school mates were doing the same old, same old, going out to shitty clubs getting blindingly drunk and either copping a girl or copping a fight.
see, for me dave i can say the exact same thing except i was playing guitar in a band that was active all around europe for a while, and skateboarding a lot too and i was getting enough out of it to just not feel even curious about taking anything as well... i'm not saying that those of you who do/did use (so called recreational) drugs shouldn't; it's just never been for me, that's all.
i used to get called 'boring' on a regular basis by workmates when i would occasionally go to the pub with them but not drink booze, and yet they'd be baffled when i pointed out that at the exact same time every single weekend they'd know which bar they'd be in (and it would always be the same one), yet i'd most likely be in a different city (or even country) from one weekend to the next so how come [i]i[/i] was the boring one?!
Well in my past now but...
Never tried crack. Most other things: yes.
Best were (fresh) acid and opium. DMT *very* occasionally.
Worst was coke. Particularly other people doing it.
don't boast about it, thats like boasting how badly you did at life.
That says more about you than people who have done drugs.
Not everyone does drugs because they have some sort of deep rooted inability to cope with life ... can I call you a failure for being uptight, judgemental and unwilling to live a little?
free range organic magic mushrooms...handpicked then dried and crushed from the field behind my house.
Giggles...paranoia...strange image bending hallucinations..followed by a landing of relief and the outrageous munchies.
I have had many 'experiences' some good, some amazing, some not so good but a learning curve none the less.
For all their parts, i like them all.
I think it's good to experience everything you can, good or bad.
Into the northwest "rave" scene back in the early 90's and everything else that went with it.Good times.Met the wife in bowlers,manchester in 95 and were still going strong.
Any kind of illegal drug will ruin a persons health, mentally and physically.
They're illegal for a good reason.
Kev
wow keva great insight everyone knows that alcohol and tobacco are as safe as can be that is why they are legal.
Lets see your eveidence then...we will start with death rates then 🙄
Drinking coffee as we speak - is my life over?
Keva
Note the relative placings of alcohol. tobbaco, cannabis and ecstasy
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what is the rating TJ?
How dangerous experts think they are?
I was being facetious... TJ - I posted that up some time ago, it can be found on the BBC website. I've done more than my fair share of drugs in the past, still enjoy a few spliffs at the w/ends, took a mushroom trip earlier this year - nobody remember the post ? Coffeeking said I'd poisoned myself. Plus I've been to the Amazon twice in recent years to drink ayahuasca which isn't really taking drugs although some would argue differently. And for the record I'm in perfectly good health, 40min 10k runner.
Kev
Never enjoyed pills or Cannabis. Discovered speed in early 20s and thought it was the best thing in the world at the time.
I dont know it is with other groups of friends but with us there were the people like my Wife and I who just sort of grew out of it and those like one of my freinds who ended up almost dying a few years ago through Heroin (had a vein rerouted in his leg in the end apparently (no I dont see him any more))
THe chap in question had a girlfriend, baby, house. He tried rehab twice but it just didnt work. I have seen him drinking on street corners now, alone with his smack-headed mates.
We were all the same at the start; having fun/ going out. We literally would not go out without grabbing some base first.
Would not touch the stuff, now. Do I regret it? Of course I do. You think you are having fun at the time but playing Video games and drinking for 12 hours weekend after weekend just gets so boring. There were the odd unforgettable nights but many many forgettable ones. How many days wasted sleeping all day...
Keva - too subtle to be seen in text.
Junkyard. Yes - it is an attempt to produce a rational way of assessing these things looking at the harm caused to individuals and to society by drugs.
I can only find the methodology in pay to view acedemic journals
i used to have to teach this to teenagers it is just impossible to do it without them realsing that the current laws are ridiculous as some of the illegal drugs are [far]safer than some of the legal ones. To try and defend the current position to people armed with inquisitive minds and statistics is impossible.
Cheers TJ will save that pic
[i]have to say though, a few comments on here have been rather boastful of the amount of drugs consumed. While you may have done it, don't boast about it, thats like boasting how badly you did at life[/i]
You need to drop a E mate and chill out.
"have you tried the weed these days - shit is strong man!! - not like it was back in the day!!"
how true this is. I was best man on a stag do recently and 11 of use shared an 1/8 in some soup, not much by my uni standards - everything went horriby wrong and we were all tripping for the rest of the night (which ended about 8.30pm with everyone in bed and the groom very ill).
people telling other people they shouldn't do drugs is boring and pointless.
people telling other people they should do drugs is boring and pointless.
we should all just get on with our lives, substance-free or not, and stop caring what anyone else chooses to do (or not do). i think that by now, most (if not all) of us are aware of the potential risks involved in using whatever and therefore should be able to take responsibility for our own actions.
In this thread, I think you'll find it's only the people who haven't done drugs who tell those who have that they shouldn't. (Apart from my, obviously not serious, comment above)
No drugs but been addicted to chocolate and training/riding.
Taken Aspirin...
IGMC
Ah but chocolate is a drug. It has a variety of psychoactive ingredients.
Admittedly its rather weak in the form most of us eat it in but it remains a drug
The posts here advocating or even accepting drug use is normal (which it's not) is quite baffling.
There's not one post here from a non-druggie who then goes on add that all important caveat, be it "but I know this one guy who went too far" or "I've grown out of it now" or "I've tried this and that but not any longer", or "I had a bad experience once".
Utterly baffling.
For the record, I will never comprehend the attraction of cigarettes either - it leaves me equally perplex as to "why?".
Ti29r
Drug taking is normal tho - all human societies use drugs - from chocolate alcohol and caffine to Heroin and cocaine.
Some are more damaging than others but there is something within the human psyche that means we want to get stoned.
Queen Victoria used Morphine and Cannabis, Coca was and still is a normal part of everyday life for the people of the Andean altiplano etc etc
Yeah, and don't forget Francis Crick discovered the double helix of DNA while on LSD 😀
Gives a serpentine knowing wink to Keva in the process 😉
Ti29er - MemberThe posts here advocating or even accepting drug use is normal (which it's not) is quite baffling.
There's not one post here from a non-druggie who then goes on add that all important caveat, be it "but I know this one guy who went too far" or "I've grown out of it now" or "I've tried this and that but not any longer", or "I had a bad experience once".
i've never tried any of them except for alcohol. never wanted to.
i have mates who use various things regularly. their choice. i'd rather not be around when they're tripping/high/whatever, but i have no right to tell them that what they're doing is wrong.
i also had mates who are no longer here as a result of their drug use. they got into it knowing the potential risks, and yes i'm angry that they threw their lives away but again it's up to the individual to decide whether they want to risk going the same way. most people that use any drugs don't, by the way...
ha.. cheers Si, hows's things... did I hear/read correctly that you've been back to Peru recently ?
Very true TJ, the Scythians of what is now the Russian Steppes used to sit in tents with large bowls of smouldering cannabis and were said to howl with laughter as they inhaled the smoke. Quoted by Herodotus the Greek traveller/historical writer. It is well known the Aztecs used coca as well as psylocibin containing mushrooms known to them as Teonanacatl. The mescalin containing peyote was also used by natives of the Americas and the Mayans extracted DMT from from the Bufo Alvaris toad and made snuff powders from it (toad licking is a myth) DMT is also one the active ingredients in ayahuasca which is still widely used today pretty much throughout the Amazon region of sounth America. The Soma of the Vedas from the Indian sub continent was more than likely a drink containing animata muscara otherwise known as the fly agaric mushroom, also widely used in shamanic practice throughout north western Europe and Scandinavia as were the more widely used today Liberty cap mushrooms. It is also speculated that Moses was using DMT, the arc of the covenant was made from acacia wood and certain species of the acacia tree contain DMT and harmaline which is necessary for the ingestion of DMT.
We've probably been using the 'plants of the gods' for about 50,000 years.
Kev
The posts here advocating or even accepting drug use is normal (which it's not) is quite baffling
It depends on your circle of friends, of course...when I was in my early 20s it [i]did[/i] seem normal : a vast amount of people were doing a bit of speed or whatever now and again- [i]normal people[/i] As I said before, most of us grew out of it.
Dont know what the scene is now as I have turned my back on it all. Cant imagine things have changed though.
...So how many self-confessed drug users on here have ever committed a crime to fund their habit or behaved in an 'anti-social' manner while off their heads? Sure, taking drugs is a personal choice and nobody elses business PROVIDED that it doesn't adversly affect anyone else. Just think of all the misery caused by crime to fund habits/protect dealerships and anti-social behaviour caused by alcohol etc.
Sure, taking drugs has been part of the human experience for thousands of years, often as an integral part of social/ritual life designed to pull a society together. It just seems to me that modern drug use is often more about escaping from the selfish and uncaring 'I'm alright Jack' 'society' we have become rather than enhancing social relationships...
very true steelfreak, it seems we've created our own monster by the nature of our society.
the war on consciousness, Graham Hancock
http://www.grahamhancock.com/features/the-war-on-onsciousness.php
Kev
The fact that some people & cultures down through the ages usd mind altering substances does not mean that everyone wanted to or did.
In many cultures it's readily available, often as a chewed plant grown in abundance.
Our society is vastly different, so saying that because some people in Peru or Nepal did chew tobacco or coca leaves for thousands of years is, what? Justification for doing drugs in our own society?
As has been pointed out, much of this drug taking seems to stem from ones friends, family & probably several socio-economic factors including ones environment. Yet the overwhelming thing gleamed from the posts here is that those who have, no longer bother and most seem to have lost pals along the way.
So again we return to what still perplexes me, that oh-so simple interrogative, "why?"; and truth, at 45, I'm hardly going to try cigarettes, or dope or chase some elusive dragon - so for me it's not a question you can even begin to answer nor for that matter even expect non-drug users such as I to really comprehend.
So, if it's OK with you (TJ), I'll wear a helmet when riding my bike and deliberately choose to not waste my life or money or (by the sound of things) whole days on these drugs. But thanks for the offer!
phoned the bloke today, and.........
😆
Ti29er
i was just pointing out that there appears to be something in the human psyche that leads us to drugs of all sorts. Drug taking is "normal" in that it happens in all socisties and has done since prehistory.
do you drink alcohol? One of the most damaging drugs ever.