Binners... we need a get together to compare old times mate.
Boots Cold & Flu capsules for me every time. That little bit of va-va-voom.
Over the years I've tried or been given the following;
Penicillin
Erythromycin
Co-Amoxiclav
Paracetamol
Lignocaine
Metclopromide
Ibuprofen
Diclofenac
Thiopentone
Suxamethonium
Atracurium
Diamorphine
Morphine
Ondansetron
Sevoflurane
Isoflurane
Nitrous Oxide
Propofol
Amphetamine
Cannabis
Caffeine
Alcohol
Nicotine
and Evostick when I was very young...
Living in the north west of England during the whole Acid House/Madchester thing, it was pretty much compulsary. Everyone was doing massive amounts of ecstacy (proper E's too - not the crap they're dolling out to the proles nowadays), wizz, acid, MDMA and (money permitting) coke.
I lived there then too. Never once felt the need. Very much a peer pressure > sheep following thing I think, and I never liked being part of the crowd. As SFB said, I like being in control of my senses too much, and I really enjoy life without mind alteration so feel no need.
Very much a peer pressure > sheep following thing I think, and I never liked being part of the crowd.
You just liked being part of a different crowd - no need to be so smug and superior.
You just liked being part of a different crowd - no need to be so smug and superior.
I wasn't part of any crowd, I was very much different from pretty much anyone else I knew and was friends with. As a straight bloke in Wigan with no liking of either football or rugby, or drugs, or even alcohol, and who liked going out biking on his own, I'd say I did pretty well to come out alive from that area at that time! And I personally feel my own self-control and common sense during my teenage years is something to be proud of, it's not smugness.
Very much a peer pressure > sheep following thing I think, and I never liked being part of the crowd
Quite the opposite Coffee, all my mates who I grew up with got stuck into the rut of drinking and going to shitty town center clubs. I started going to the Blackburn Warehouse parties on my own, but, with E's it take precisely 2 seconds to become best mates with complete strangers. 😀
lowey - that's just *wanting* to be part of that crowd instead and using chems to do it 😉 😆
Never done them but working in this madhouse i am certainly tempted to stop off in Amsterdam on the way back and do the top shelf. 😉
Careful, the next STW meet will end up getting raided!
Coffeeking - Very much a peer pressure > sheep following thing? Not at all. I'm from Warrington and the culture there is drink til you stink then have a fight outside the kebab house. We all got into ecstacy and clubbing as you weren't likely to get punched for looking at someones pint wrong. The complete opposite in fact. As Lowey said.
I had the time of my life. The atmosphere at the time (89 onwards) at the warehouse parties was absolutely fantastic!!!! Loved every minute of it!!
And Lowey - we will have to get together and compare notes 🙂
Not at all.
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We all got into ecstacy
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But slightly odd, Warrington is a drug-riddled hole for the most part, I even know people who have dealt around there as their main income stream.
And...
clubbing as you weren't likely to get punched for looking at someones pint wrong.
From my experience, drugs and clubbing are not held at different locations to alcohol? The only times I've ever been caught up in a fight while out was when clubbing and completely sober because some knob on all sorts of drugs was upset about something I had no awareness of and was completely unreasonable, suggesting that the two are not mutually exclusive either in location or consumption.
Its whatever flouts your boat really fella. And there are very different types of 'clubs'. Some people like to go out, drink 20 pints and batter the hell out of each other. Myself and my mates, who had more delicate sensibilities, wanted something different.
On my birthday one year, 18 of us went out and did our first E together and went clubbing in Manchester. It was an absolute epiphany for all of us. I'll never forget it. And we never looked back.
And none of us touched any alcohol while out
DUnno about dope getting weaker.
I remember walking through a field after eating some space-cakes and watching the corners of the field start to fold up around me. It was very beautiful.
PLus a little acid, speed once or twice, etc.
I don't even drink that much now and when I've tried weed recently it doesn't seem to do anything to or for me. One day I will try coke, but haven't yet.
binners - I'm not questioning your choice or judging any more than to say I think it's not a good idea and not for me, I'm pointing out that a) you were following your peers and b) warrington is (and was) just as drug-crazed as the rest of the country - I dont think you were pioneers in that area.
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It was an absolute epiphany for all of us. I'll never forget it. And we never looked back.
Amen brother. Mine was at a warehouse party off the Motorway in Nelson with about 3000 people. Some of the best nights of my life.
Happy hazy days.
I don't think for one minute we were pioneers. I think the whole Madchester and Acid House thing kicked off because a lot of people (myself included) were heartily sick of the alcohol-fuelled violence of the town centres at night.
Then a real alternative came along. If you went out into Warrington on an average saturday night, you'd not struggle to see why the warehouse parties offered a diffeent world. And a much more appealing one.
Nowadays people take drugs, while drinking, in the town centres and its all back to square one in my opinion
I feel rather "twee". My happy hazy days were spent camping and hiking, surfing in the sun, biking in the rain. My life was too full of those things, or trying to achieve those things, to waste time being hung-over or spaced out. I sometimes wonder if people are actually that different, and what makes one person enjoy one thing and another enjoy something completely different.
Yes Ton, I've done my share of persian rugs - you were probably there on several occasions, given that we used to drink in the same classy venues (!). I havent bothered for years now, partly because of my job, partly because I got bored of being the only one in the group off my head on whizz and driving everyone else berserk, but mainly because I felt the need to be responsible for my kids sake.
[i]My happy hazy days were spent camping and hiking, surfing in the sun, biking in the rain.[/i]
aye, likewise (well apart from the surfing bit). But it was great to do a day's hike, set up camp and share a joint in the evening around the fire.
Couldn't agree with you more fella. Its whatever makes you happy. Nowadays I'd much rather ride my bike. Wouldn't entertain the idea of a night like the ones i used to have.But I have some great memories of some amazing times
My happy hazy days were spent camping and hiking, surfing in the sun, biking in the rain.
The two lifestyles aren't incompatible - in fact, they mix rather well. There was a point in my life where a ride / camping ride wasn't complete without a smoke, or occasionally a bit of dodgy powder!
We had many a happy night way up in the Cairngorms enjoying a couple of acid tabs in a bottle of red. Nom nom nom. Ruined the wine but we just didn't care 🙂
i still smoke a lot of weed each day. i have done since i was 14/15 (i'm 27 now).
at 17 we used to sit down the snooker hall ripping lines off the side of the tables. it usd to get very silly and wasn't helped that one of our group knew the son of a large coke dealer (A128, fishing place just after the Dog & Partridge, anyone?). it got to the point where one of our mates was stealing from his family shop to pay for it. we decided as a group not to bother with it after that. a fw of us keep to it, others not.
for two years or so i was picking up and distributing large quantities of pills when i was 18-20. 400 or 500 pills in one go then cycling like a loon through london to drop em off at a friends house in camden before we hit the clubs.
we used to party at a friends place whenever he got some tabs through the post. they used to be very interesting parties.
one of our friends made contact with a guy who dealt almost exclusively in ketamine and MDMA. nights out in the clubs got very messy after that. one aussie girl i knew went off the rails and lost her PE teaching job because she got hooked on ket. she may well be living on the streets of london now. so, hailey, if you're reading this; "hello".
i knocked all the bad stuff on the head once i moved to germany. probably the healthiest move i've ever made. i've got a lot fatter since being here because of the beer.
oh yeah, i've got shit short term memory....
Loddrik.
Some choice comments here, but why you think it's got anything to do with the Press is anyone's guess!
Some clearly think it's "normal". Others seem to have dabbled. I'm sure the vast majority simply aren't at all interested, not then, now or in the future.
“Apart from the normal red & gold lebanese”
“but grew out of it around 13 years old”
“I look back now and just think what an idiot”
“but I personally know about 100 who are f**ced up because of drugs!”
“been offered loads of others but was never interested.”
“drugs - it is just part of normal life,”
“ive seen families(inc my own) torn apart through addiction etc”
“I'm old and boring now and find it ****s with my riding.”
“when i do they're still caning it, secretive, lying to each other, its pathetic”
Each of us draws our own conclusions. I still maintain that if your life is fulfilling, you have a modicum of self discipline, have some clarity of thought and purpose, drugs don't ever get a look-in.
As you can imagine, and this is given, the older we get, the wiser we become - & pertinent to this particular forum, any drug will adversely affect your riding, be it a skin-full the night before, a 20 pack of smokes or other stronger stuff, it matters not. It also seems to have real knock-on effects into family life and also work.
Is Brother Binners now a tee-total, non-drug taking monk?
erm... not quite 😀
yeah, with the money i could have saved by staying 'clean' i could have bought a Ti29er...
wouldn't have been much fun though.
[i]I still maintain that if your life is fulfilling, you have a modicum of self discipline, have some clarity of thought and purpose, drugs don't ever get a look-in[/i]
I think thats rubbish. Some people [i]want[/i] to experiment and experience things outside the norm.
. I still maintain that if your life is fulfilling, you have a modicum of self discipline, have some clarity of thought and purpose, drugs don't ever get a look-in.
Yeah and drugs can make people more tolerant and understanding of others, and less uptight too. 😉
[i]Ti29er[/i] nice choice of quotes. How about these ones:
some great memories of some amazing times
Some of the best nights of my life.
It was an absolute epiphany for all of us
absolutely no regrets
I had the time of my life
very nice
Good coke is great
Every time was fantastic
many a happy night
Jessop jessop jessop jessop
an experience I'll never forget
It was very beautiful.
ergo, drugs are great, etc?
Lots
But I am now old enough to know better but still young enough to try.
Had good and bad experiences...wouldn't change any of them.
Not for everyone but the choice is yours.....
The two lifestyles aren't incompatible - in fact, they mix rather well. There was a point in my life where a ride / camping ride wasn't complete without a smoke, or occasionally a bit of dodgy powder!
No, not incompatible entirely, I just didn't see how it would enhance it, and drinking excessively and using (possibly excessive) quantities of drugs seems to damage the next days enjoyment. I just enjoyed things as they were, and with all the negatives of drugs (and I've seen a few with my own eyes from a relatively small number of users) I never thought it worth the risk either. Never wanted to, never wanted the risk, never did.
Not recreationally but took my pot belge when I was a road rider on the continent in the late 80's - as we all did. Wouldn't touch the stuff now though - business or pleasure.
coffeking. You use the word excessive. But its like owt else. Drinking a few glasses of wine is pleasant. Drinking 4 bottles aint going to make you feel too clever.
Same with drugs. When E's were decent, you'd do one and its all you'd need for a spectacularly good evening out. No need to get excessive at all
Early ninties rave seen was a great time. E's, speed, coke, lsd etc etc - some incredible nights out that I wouldn't change for the world 8)
Then all the innocence went and the drum and bass darkside kicked in, drugs got horrible, ketamine ain't nice.....
Gave it all up for snowboarding/biking/scrambling - but no regrets.
Did my fair share in the early 90's.
Mostly Pot and Speed. Never tried E (although part of me wishes I had, but I think I may have liked it too much) occaisionally get a bit of Columbian and some weed but not very often.
Last time I had some coke I enjoyed it a lot but worried that I could easily develop an expensive habit.
Currently getting a bit concerned about how much I'm drinking but heading for a big lifestyle change in January and am going on the wagon.
binners - drinking 1 or 2 glasses of wine wont tip you over the edge into mental disorders if you're already that way inclined, unlike some of the drug options out there. Neither will it leave you addicted after a very short duration of use, again, unlike some drugs.
Too much risk for me, always was.
While many seem to have dabbled with them, most that have seem to suggest they never would again now. For me that's good enough reason alone, without the other risks.
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Saying that moderate drug use leads to addiction and mental illness is like saying having a glass of wine will lead you into being an alcoholic, living on the streets swilling buckfast. It just doesn't work like that, despite what the daily mail would have us believe.
Millions of people in this country take drugs recreationaly. They hold down good jobs, are responsible parents and just normal members of society.
Mind you, I know this particular man. He had overdone it a bit that afternoon 🙂
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binners - MemberSaying that moderate drug use leads to addiction and mental illness is like saying having a glass of wine will lead you into being an alcoholic
It depends on someones personality more, If you have an addictive personality then you are more likely to have your life ruined by either.
have to say though, a few comments on here have been rather boastful of the amount of drugs consumed. While you may have done it, don't boast about it, thats like boasting how badly you did at life.
This is another debate like helmets of religion - the two sides find it almost impossible to see the other sides point of view and minds are very closed.
Like almost everything in life moderation is the key. Moderate use of recreational drugs causes very little harm dare I say it - the science backs this up 🙂
Alcohol causes more harm than most other recreational drugs. Exctacy is linked with very little harm. Opiates can help destroy lives, coke turns people into stroppy aresholes
I like this thread. There's a clear distinction, in terms of 'tone of post' between those who have, and those who haven't.
So, do drug experiences make people more open about other people's oppinions, or were the people like that before the drugs?
😉