[Closed] Drugs n' booze

it is not joined up thinking because we have a generation still ingrained with the view that all drugs are bad and should be banned as they are dangerous. You can hear them say this in the pubs and coffee shops throughout this land or in the smoking shelters

Its obvious prohibition does not work I am not sure why they try

The Alcohol Concern report found the cost of hospital admissions linked to heavy drinking among 55 to 74-year-olds in 2010-11 was more than £825m.

That was 10 times the figure for 16 to 24-year-olds

Stunning results comparing much larger sample of population who might have had 40 plus years of drinking against smaller sample of population who might have been drinking for 8 years.

Because in general the electorate is not in favour of more liberalisaton (because of the lies the media peddle?), also the US is so against any relaxation and would place a huge amount of pressure on any government, anywhere, relaxng the laws. So it's not really in a polititians interest to champion a change, so they wont.

Stunning results comparing much larger sample of population who might have had 40 plus years of drinking against smaller sample of population who might have been drinking for 8 years.

Surely you're not suggesting that a charity might have cherry-picked the data to support its claims? The horror!

Apparently, all drugs are evil and you'll be on smack eventually in the contast quest for greater highs.

But it's aboslutely fine to come to work stinking of booze on a monday morning and include consumption of alcohol in most social situations, including those where children are present. It isn't really addictive and the only people who have problems with drinking are those who have got to the level of vodka on cornflakes for breakfast.

I fail to see why i should listen to a government that can't decide on who will run a railway line without having to refund £40 million to the prospective parties.
Parliamnet is just a bunch of arses ****ing off to the sound of their own voices.

also the US is so against any relaxation and would place a huge amount of pressure on any government, anywhere, relaxng the laws

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It does seem to me that policy makers haven't got a clue what they are talking about sometimes.

For the vast majority of the electorate, drugs = bad.

It's a black and white situation for them. Only bad kids do drugs and all drugs are as bad as each other. There is no grey area.

Policies are designed to keep this electorate happy.

I've taken all sorts, but I'm not sure I want them legalised. I think people shouldn't be sent to jail for personal use though.

Alcohol is a cultural norm. A lot of dangerous drinking is self-medication for stress, depression or low self-esteem.

Only bad kids do drugs and all drugs are as bad as each other.

I've taken all sorts, but I'm not sure I want them legalised.

I get the decriminalised bit as well but IMHO most harms comes fromt he fact that criminals control the supply /quality control.

Yes, please

Drugs is drugs, alcohol is drugs, why the distinction?

The thread should have been titled "Drugs"

It boils down to the fact the government cant tax or control the distrobution of certain social drugs, yet in america they can grow cannabis for medical reasons and provide you with a card to claim it, its a joke, the same again, money and power.

emsz - Member

I've taken all sorts, but I'm not sure I want them legalised. I think people shouldn't be sent to jail for personal use though.

it would be progressive to remove 'drugs' from the criminal justice system and place them in the right area-- health and education.

Junky, you're sort of right, didn't stop me, but I wouldn't take drugs now anyway (choice thing)

Rudwboy yep that sound right, making it illegal is half the attraction I think.

+1 Emsz;.I spent most weekends of the 90's on 48 hour benders and while I luckily came away relatively unscathed and know plenty who didn't and shake like Ozzy Osbourne now.

At the time I thought it was cool, but its not; there's a lot of lost and wasted talent out there because of them.

It's fun until its not.

I wouldn't take drugs now anyway

The thing I always remember is drugs never helped anyoine - ie use it for fun not a prop.
No one expects to end up a junkie and no one ever wants to become one.

Pretty much everyone I know has stopped with middle age but the drinkers still drink

If everyone who went drinking alcohol to excess every weekend took ecstasy instead, wouldn't it be better for everyone? Casualty would be a much nicer place on a saturday night anyway...no stupid fighting on the high street...

I've never taken ecstasy though so might a load of cobblers. well I took a half once but I also drank half a bottle of rum so was generally quite up for things anyway.

bigphilblackpool - Member
It boils down to the fact the government cant tax or control the distrobution of certain social drugs, yet in america they can grow cannabis for medical reasons and provide you with a card to claim it, its a joke, the same again, money and power.

And over here the government has granted GW Pharmaceuticals a license to grow cannabis in order to produce sativex.

Not in a bad way i think if it can help people then so be it, after all its a plant!!! Same as tobacco.

Yes but it's the double standard, there's no medical benefit and it's dangerous [i]unless[/i] it's produced by a pharmaceutical company. Couple of my mates are big activists, one with MS uses cannabis to control the symptoms and the other with Crohns who uses cannabis to function 'normally'. Both have been mugged by people they've been forced to buy from because they aren't allowed to grow a few plants to provide medicine for themselves, and when their respective 'safe' go-to guys don't have anything but they need it to stop spasming/shitting pants then what choice do they have?

The thing I always remember is drugs never helped anyoine

BenH and emsz, "Drugs are illegal, I did them anyway, I don't think anyone else should" come on, bit hypocritical eh? Would legalisation, regulation and a proper support network being put in place not be a much better way to deal with drugs? You've already proved prohibition doesn't work.

I think most politicians are astute enough to know prohibition doesn't work as a drug policy. But no mainstream political party will ever have legalization as a policy, it is too risky from an electoral perspective.

But I don't think drugs are a big societal issue, only a very small % of people are dependent, Alcohol is a bigger issue....most crime is committed under it's influence, it has made our town centre's no-go areas during weekends and has a huge cost in terms of healthcare, policing.

Labour tried to develop drinking culture into the cafe style European occasional drinking by deregulating licensing laws. This has failed.

This was kind of the point of the post, the drug report suggests that we are wasting £2bn a year on trying to prohibit drug use and wisely spending £1bn on effective treatments, they also said that rather than legalize or de-criminalise drugs that small amounts of possession should be a civil rather than criminal offence, much like speeding in a car.

The response from the government is laughable, essentially "Thanks but we are going to ignore you." It just doesn't make sense, there was a mini series on tv a few years ago in which a customs offical said that they spent £1bn a year on stopping 1% of the heroin being sent to our country getting through, 1% FFS!

DONK, I know, didn't say my idea was well thought out!!

I don't think people should be sent to jail for trying drugs it having drugs on them. But I don't think it would be a great idea to have all these potentially dangerous drugs on legal sale, alcohol and cigerettes do enough damage don't they?

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Ha ha! The commonly held misconception drug users have that they are profound. Hilarious.
I used to take acid and all sorts and I expect came out with some right old hit/s.

alcohol and cigerettes do enough damage don't they?

The commonly held misconception drug users have that they are profound. Hilarious.

I used to take acid and all sorts and I expect came out with some right old hit/s.

Nothing, of course I come out with utter rubbish when straight, I'm human.. 🙂
Just makes me laugh that a lot of drug users think that the carp they come out with is some kind of revelatory and profound theory or something....it's not, you're stoned...
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The biggest reason I think certain drugs are illegal is down to the supply chain.
We're led to believe that drugs are illegally produced by bad people in other countries, then smuggled into this country either by more bad people or innocent drug mules, before making their way to your local dealer (who probably drives a BMW with blacked out windows) via criminal gangs.

Until the production of drugs is regulated & there aren't people being taken advantage of (like the food, tobacco & clothing industries... 😉 ) & the workers on the drug farms in the far away countries get basic human rights there is no way they'll ever become legal.

I would be very surprised if anyone who took them reguilarily had not had a profound moment on drugs

Of course, you don't need to take drugs to have a profound moment. I have them frequently, usually either when pooping or Fell Running. Not biking though for some reason.

Personally I'm not convinced they should be legalised. My mind suffered more rot than expansion during my youthful days of hedonism and I'm a happier person for not partaking anymore. Fortunately I don't even drink that much these days, half a bottle of wine or 3 pints a week is enough. Cheaper too, my tolerance is way down and half a bottle is enough to knock me out.

Besides, drugs being illegal was half the fun. No way of justifying that of course but there it is.

I'm a happier person for not partaking anymore. Fortunately I don't even drink that much these days, half a bottle of wine or 3 pints a week is enough.

Besides, drugs being illegal was half the fun.

I don't think it would be a great idea to have all these potentially dangerous drugs on legal sale

I think go the whole hog, or not at all. The hog being, legalise and regulate.

Who here would buy a bottle of whisky from some guy on a street corner, unlabelled and made by god knows who, rather than from the off license?

So, when drugs are available from the pharmacy, made to known standards and strengths, who the hell is gonna buy from the street corner? And they're taxed, so drug use is now creating not draining government revenue. It's also NOT contributing to criminal revenue or driving dealer turf wars. The pharmaceutical companies making them now have more money to spend on curing disease. (We'll add some Laws that blah percent of party drug revenue must be spent on medicinal drug research.)

(Seriously, why am I not in charge yet?)

Seriously, why am I not in charge yet?

you've got my vote

@DONK

Too much selective quoting there. "Not convinced" (which does not imply a belief either way) and "No way of justifying that of course but there it is." was the other bit you missed.

Just makes me laugh that a lot of drug users think that the carp they come out with is some kind of revelatory and profound theory or something....it's not, you're stoned...

it makes you wonder though, doesn't it... 😉

I'll be rather frank and honest here and admit to having tried pretty much everything there is including various forms of illegal hooch along with pretty much every possible legal alcoholic beverage, l personally consider it should be up to myself what i choose to ingest as long as it does not impeach on others - what i do with my life has sod all to do with poorly thought out political and legislative laws nor the police force acting upon those laws, which i admit has ended up with a few court appearances and a few days inside one her majesty's finest holiday camps for arguing my well thought out and coherent case with the judge so to speak before my lawyer could get me released..

Over the past 25yrs ive tried the following listed below in no particular order and certainly not in any order of preference :

Cannabis - hydroponic or thai, durban,columbian etc.
Hash - moroccan double zero, afghani, quality polm, bubblehash, charas, hand rubbed tola, unpressed resin etc.
Speed - pink champagne, cut powder, etc.
Cocaine - always 70%+ only (tested beforehand).
Acid - blotters, microdots, liquid sugercubes.
Mushrooms - psilocybin,mexican cubensis, fly agaric, philosophers stones etc.
DMT - just WOW!..... 😯 .
Ayuhuasca - similar to DMT but more earthy feeling?, nah that's not right but impossible to explain ??????.
Mescaline - peyote cactus, san pedro cactus.
MDMA - pills back in the 90's, mdma crystals ever since.
Ketamine - Actually got given this in india for spinal pain, not a recreational drug i would ever use.
Opium - Hmmmm?, certainly stopped my trots in india.
MDEA - Cheers sasha (alexander shulgin PHIKAL & THIKAL)
MDA - see above

And prob quite a few other's i've forgot about 😉 , of what is listed above i guess in the past year i've partaken in cannabis,hash, bubblehash,mdma,acid,mushrooms,cocaine.

My choice, my body and if/when so called drugs are ever legalised or not it'll make very little difference as to whether or not i continue to use them, admittingly i don't smoke anymore so i very occasionally use a vaporisor and any other drug use is so sporadic and such a small amount that it doesn't feature in my life but if i so desire or take a notion then i pay absolutely no heed as to whether or not drug use is illegal in my decision making process, same for my friends, in fact i would find it hard to think of one friend that doesn't/hasn't used drugs in one form or another to be honest.

Drugs aren't bad for you per se - over consumption or reliance on any substance is bad for you and the sooner the idiots in so called charge realise that then the world will be a better place.

I think that we must first understand the potential of the mind and it's nature, it is the nature of the mind to move forward, we could say that the mind is a stream of thoughts that is either progressive or retarded, relative to the individual who wields the conscious mind through will.

Consciousness is never still and always moving towards what ever our will points it.

You choose the direction that your mind will travel or progress in, but only if you realize that control for the places your mind visits in thought is yours to decide and yours alone!

Does the mind ever stop? does it ever simply cease doing anything for a moment? if you close your eyes do you see one single image, your thoughts are in the form of a stream?

Let me explain the nature of this stream, it is constantly moving and all you can ever do is direct it. Will you direct your thought stream with wisdom or ignorance? this is the question that will define who you are and the extent of freedom that you experience!

Am I insane to speak like this? perhaps! but let me teach you something, a simple technique that will aid you greatly if you wish to know yourself.

Lie flat on your back above a comfortable surface and bring your feet up to just beneath your hips, open your feet to a natural amount and then let your legs touch at the knee's, find the most comfortable position.

Get as relaxed as you can, then simply breath as deeply as you can with as much fresh air as possible, if you need a cover due to opening a window or the weather then use one. Why is this technique very important for our race?

When you exercise you exert yourselves, the energy you produce is then used up in your muscles and bodily functions, however when you lie in the position I have described, the lock at your legs/knees increases circulation to the upper part of your body/brain.

The straightness of your spine means that by lifting your legs / knees, you force that circulation straight up your spine into your brain.

Then if you add in the fact that you are breathing as deeply as you can and this creates energy that needs somewhere to go, the straightness of your spine and the resistance from your raised legs will give this energy a direction, you will be giving all the energy your body produces a direct channel to your brain.

Most of you reading this will mock and your minds will recoil from this knowledge immediately, but anyone with an open mind this simple ancient technique can greatly enhance your quality of life.
Stress tension and a lack of direction in life, can be something that you over come 😯

If we agree with our society and if we feel comfortable with our place in it, then why do so many of us need to go to such extremes to escape it?

One last thing before I go back to smoking my own pants, there is a very simple technique to determine how strong of will and focused you are also how in control of your own mind you are.

Simply lie on your back at night before you go to sleep and count as high as you can, I would be willing to bet that most people reading this cannot stay focused until they reach 250. I would think that most of you will be able to count to about 76, no offense is meant by this statement, this is simply an honest observation!

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Here my buddy is touring with me in France, like many cyclists who have done well touring France we used drugs and booze all the time.

At this lunch stop we are on beer and smack (bottom right)

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