[Closed] Driving standards (grumbling old girl content)

Must be something you do to upset them coffeeking, because in my experience Scottish drivers tend to be much more courteous than those down south. Perhaps you drive more aggressively than you realise which is why they flash at you?

I used to get a lift with a guy who hated middle lane drivers with a passion. To the point where he'd spot them a mile away then floor it down the slow lane, passing them at silly speeds just to prove the point!

Risky, given that they have no concept of anything around them except the ten yards in front of them.

Undertaking seems to be a growing concern...

Tempted to link to that Philip J Fry image here. But if they can safely undertake you, you're in the wrong lane.

It's been a while since we've had one of these ... and it never changes does it...

- middle laners .. why oh why oh why, how I love circumnavigating you up and down the motorway
- the singlespeeders of the road - 40'll do it up, down, along regardless of road conditions, speed limit, traffic flow
- fog lights .... is it foggy? no I don't think so, but you can carry on blinding me with your awesome array
- indicators .. no, don't be silly, you can just drift out into my lane and randomly drift back, I'll keep on guessing what you might do next

... and so it goes.

Must be something you do to upset them coffeeking, because in my experience Scottish drivers tend to be much more courteous than those down south. Perhaps you drive more aggressively than you realise which is why they flash at you?

Nah, we've been through this and one of my overtake points was questioned reasonably but otherwise no sane explanation. They might be more courteous but if we're going to generalise further they also don't like anyone doing something quicker than them. 60 limit straight road over half a mile of clear visibility, car doing 40, indicate, pull out, pass, pull in a good 10 car lengths clear and get full beamed to death. Overtook a lass who was doing 30 for over half a mile in a 60 (I stayed way back looking for an overtake chance), when the road opened up straight with clear visibility I overtook cleanly and easily, got full beamed to death again. I pulled over to ask what the problem was (assuming I had a car fault as there was no other reason!) and the woman nearly drove over me in a panic. Odd people. The general situation happens fairly regularly, and usually when I'm in my slow car. In my fast car I've had no response as yet, I can only assume they dont mind so much being overtaken by a loud very fast car but dislike being passed by a diesel estate.

If you're willing to sit and trudge at 40 all day long, through 60s and 30s you'll feel they are the most laid back and courteous drivers. Unfortunately I don't see the point in hanging about on clear dry roads when I have somewhere to be.

I was only messing - I remember the thread you're talking about. There are numpties everywhere.

Never seen what you describe coffeeking. Must be something in what you are doing. a;though I don't own a car when I hare one I tend to be doing long runs on a roads. never had this happen. never known anyone else it has happened to.

I suspect too close behind before you pull out or too close cutting in again.

Driving is like alcohol, reveals people's real intelligence and character...

Was reading an article the other day on flying cars - they're getting close to getting some working prototypes. The inventors aren't sure they really want to develop them, given the average driving ability, flying cars would be carnage.

Roll on Google's self-driving cars...

NZCol - Member

All I can add is never come to NZ. You'll explode.

They even make South Australians look bad, and that takes some doing 😯

Edukator - Member

It migh not be people are bloody minded, simply poverty stricken or environmentally aware. The most economical speed for most cars is not much over 40mph and certainly no more than 60mph. Google it.

Actually, the most economical speed to drive a car is 0 mph and to use public transport or negate the need for the journey at all. HTH.

Blimey...no one picked up prezet's troll?

And TJ, just because you've not experienced something in your self confessed low car mileage lifestyle, does that mean it's most likely it doesn't exist?

If you hate bad driving never come to Exeter. It's truly shocking. I lived in London for years and I'd rather drive round Vauxhall Cross at night in the rain than Sandy Gate roundabout. As for middle lane hoggers....ggrrrrr

Roll on Google's self-driving cars...

I look forward to a day when self-driving cars are the norm. I imagine a pretty major issue will be integrating self-driving cars onto the same roads as human-driven cars?

Anyone else get annoyed when drivers of small cars pull out to the right before turning left?

They're obviously Scandinavian and going much faster than you.. 😀

Tempted to link to that Philip J Fry image here. But if they can safely undertake you, you're in the wrong lane.

Interesting, as I'm doing the speed limit, and you think it's safe to undertake at 80-90mph+ ?

Another Clarkson'ite.

Learnt this morning that wiltshire A road overtaking (pretty much a nessecity!) is a good deal harder when you can only see 100m in the fog!

Managed to get past one van but spend most of the journey at 45 on 60 roads 🙁

And no it wasnt too foggy to do 60

Blimey...no one picked up prezet's troll?

I was just waiting for him to agree with me about the shocking behaviour...

nteresting, as I'm doing the speed limit, and you think it's safe to undertake at 80-90mph+ ?

Quite baffled why anyone would need to. Assuming that the inside lane is clear (hence the undertake), you should be in it. If you can't comprehend this, then you probably shouldn't be in charge of a tonne of metal.

titusrider - Member
Learnt this morning that wiltshire A road overtaking (pretty much a nessecity!) is a good deal harder when you can only see 100m in the fog!

Managed to get past one van but spend most of the journey at 45 on 60 roads

And no it wasnt too foggy to do 60

😯 🙄 😯

If you're doing 45 mph you'll have covered those 100 m you can see in 5 seconds. Assuming that oncoming traffic is also travelling at 45 mph, you'll have 2.5 seconds to get back into your lane

I was just waiting for him to agree with me about the shocking behaviour...

I agree. Now you can proceed... 😉

Driving is like alcohol, reveals people's real intelligence and character...

I used to get a lift with a guy who hated middle lane drivers with a passion. To the point where he'd spot them a mile away then floor it down the slow lane, passing them at silly speeds just to prove the point!

Quite baffled why anyone would need to. Assuming that the inside lane is clear (hence the undertake), you should be in it. If you can't comprehend this, then you probably shouldn't be in charge of a tonne of metal.

An example, I live in a village just off a bypass, in order to access the village I need to turn right on a roundabout which is on the bypass. To do that, I need to get in the outside lane approaching said roundabout.

So the other evening, I'm making this rather dangerous manoeuvre, and proceed to move out into the outside lane a couple of hundred yards back, ready to turn right at the approaching roundabout. When a guy in his Audi comes racing up behind, flashes his lights as he's obviously in a hurry, and then decides to accelerate while undertaking into the inside lane and enter the roundabout at about 80mph (it's a fairly straight in/out exit line)...

There was no way he could have seen what was coming around the roundabout... like I say, idiot drivers.

Interesting, as I'm doing the speed limit, and you think it's safe to undertake at 80-90mph+ ?

Whilst there's plenty of annoyances on the road, such as lane stayers (even if they are doing the speed limit...they can do that in the left hand lane and let everyone else get on with their business). The single worst and most dangerous thing on the roads is impatiance.

Undertaking, or even overtaking people in dangerous ways really isn't acceptable under any circumstances. Driving a little slower than you would ideally like is hardly a crime in comparisson.

It never fails to amaze me how many people will admit to their anti-social and bullying behaviour in these threads. As if it is acceptable.

I agree. Now you can proceed...

Oh good. So do you also agree that without your shocking behaviour, the other cars wouldn't need to undertake?

the other cars wouldn't need to undertake?

I dont know if Zokes is trying to say i was driving like a dick or that 2.5 seconds is plenty to get back into my lane.

Anyway i like quite a saftey margin and my car isnt 'that' quick

Back too the op.
My mil used too drive everywhere at 40.
until she set off a camera, went on a speed awareness course.
She now drives everywhere at 25 😯

Oh good. So do you also agree that without your shocking behaviour, the other cars wouldn't need to undertake?

My shocking behaviour to move into the correct lane, to turn right on a roundabout? Shocking.

Thought the OP might have been referring to Prius drivers. My experience of them here is that they drive with the speedo needle not exceeding an indicated 0.5 of the speed limit. Which is a PITA following the guy at work round the multistorey carpark so slowly that I need to keep dipping clutch in 1st. He probably thinks he's saved yet another kitten or something. Or are the speedos just calibrated wrongly?

I dont know if Zokes is trying to say i was driving like a dick or that 2.5 seconds is plenty to get back into my lane.

Anyway i like quite a saftey margin and my car isnt 'that' quick

You got it right first time. 2.5 seconds (or 2 if you carrying out the overtake and the oncoming car are both doing 60 mph) is an exceedingly short amount of time to decide whether you can complete the manoeuvre or need to duck out, and then complete either accelerating towards the danger or slamming on the anchors and sheepishly pulling in line.

It's got bugger all to do with how quick your car is - that time considering your options is called reaction time, and it normally takes over 2 seconds, by which time you'll be planted in front of an innocent bystander's oncoming car.

Right, that kind of as I thought, which is why I didnt overtake (as a general rule)
and only got past one person where the fog was lighter, i could see the rear lights of a car a long way ahead therefore knew that the road was straight and that, had there been something coming the other way, i would be able to see those lights too

Basically it seems we aggree 🙂

My shocking behaviour to move into the correct lane, to turn right on a roundabout? Shocking.

Well if they're passing you on the left in that situation, they're not actually undertaking "only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so". Apologies for mistakenly assuming you understood what you were talking about.

Or were you also referring to people passing you on the left in different circumstances?

only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so

The problem is, the speed at which people do it... literally racing up the inside. Fair enough moving into the inner lane as he could get across the roundabout quicker than waiting for me to turn right - but there's no need to the level of aggression or speed at which some people do it.

but there's no need to the level of aggression or speed at which some people do it.

The problem is, the speed at which people do it... literally racing up the inside

Interestingly, not something you mentioned in your original complaint...

@titus, if you're in my part of Wilts then half the drivers will have no lights or sidelights in fog. Just something to remember another time.

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It'd help if you actually read the thread posts... but that's fine, I'll make it easy for you:

a guy in his Audi comes racing up behind, flashes his lights as he's obviously in a hurry, and then decides to accelerate while undertaking into the inside lane and enter the roundabout at about 80mph

Is that at me, prezet? Maybe you should take your own advice - would the post you're linking be your [b]original complaint[/b]?

@aracer 🙄

Slow - you make a fair point,

I wouldnt have gone for it unless it was 'safe' given what i could see at the time. I accept that any overtake has an element of risk but then so does crossing the street.

I enjoy driving and love my car but i like to think im not a dick about it.