[Closed] down turn in bikes sales and spares

At work the wheel size issue is not a problem it's all about the road and hybrid bikes
And a lot of new People getting into the pastime just buy what ever is current and in front of them

It's stocking tyres that annoys me with having three sizes

Just received my new bike (well, frame, wheels, etc)

It's got bit wheels too.

I think the market has shifted and there is a slow down in the mtb market.
We have totally changed our shop and dropped a stack of mainstream brands (Kona/Lapierre/Bianchi)
but now moved towards more niche more accessories and a social aspect to he shop (coffee and cake on the way)
Our servicing side is down on summer but still strong and still bookings about three weeks in advance.
We would have had some strong sales in the past few weeks but we are waiting for stock (i hate the industry for doing this every year)

I think if more shops drop a lot of mainstream brands then these brands may wake up and treat the industry better. wont happen though

The bit i dont really get is why retailers arent feeding back to the manufacturers "its killing us having to stock all this different stuff, you're just promoting online sales"..... or is it just falling on deaf ears?

falling on deaf ears.

However i see a big shift happening soon

the retailers doing well have control over their own brands.

We are now getting our first own brand frames arriving this week so going to move in this direction.

One thing though
if the bike to work stops then Halfords, Evans, Wheelies, EB co op are all fek'd

DT78 - Member

It is also cold and wet.

Not here it's just wet, but was great fun last night doing 2 wheel drifts while pedaling up hill 😀

Do you record your week on week sales and workshop activity ?

In West Yorkshire sales appear to have been booming with 2 retailers opening new stores. Chevin Cycles now have 3 stores, All Terrain now have 2 and JD Cycles moved to bigger more expensive premises. So they obviously all still think the market is growing. You would hope they were not all short sited and expand just because of the TdF?

I've not seen a "proper" MTB leave the shop doors for ages

Does that just mean that MTB buyers are getting pissed off with all the changes forced on them ? Plus you can buy a nice road bike in the sales for £700. Nice full sussers are silly silly money

Reasons why I haven't bought a new MTB since 2005.

The prices are barmy. My bike cost £1300 back in '05. It would be double that now.

My wages haven't kept track with inflation, so blowing £2.5 on a "toy" isn't going to happen any time soon.

The wheel size thing shows that we are being scammed for every penny the bike companies can get... so sod them.

Must mean it's time to bring in disc brakes, thru axles and a new steerer standard on road bikes.

Well over 2 weeks to get my full susser booked in for bearings service so as usual in Surrey we live in another dimension of personnel financial standings. My LBS is as busy as ever.

I'm not sure it's just the bike industry if I'm honest.

I fit Kitchens and Bathrooms for a living as well as tiling. Whilst I'm OK for work, this time of year usually see's a mad rush of people wanting stuff done for Xmas, that's not really happened this year. The shop I sub for occasionally is high end and quiet as a mouse for new leads. The only market really moving is new build.

My guess is people are holding onto the cash a bit more a the minute, so I'm doing the same, in case of interest rate rises or whatever, which means I'm not buying shiny bike stuff. I've also noticed 2nd hand stuff is not selling as quick as it used to despite good pricing.

OP I am not in the trade however it seems possible that in mtb you maybe finding more and more people are buying direct - YT, canyon, commencal, on one etc. They have been getting their bikes in the mags and getting decent reviews and come out a lot cheaper relatively for spec.

The UK is in the recessionz.

Plus the Luddite public who don't want the biggars wheels init.

'I like .... big WHEELS but I can not buy'...

Can hardly shift my second hand stuff these days, been trying to pare down the mounting collection and claw back a few bob but it's a squeeze letting stuff go at way way below what you paid into it.

In West Yorkshire sales appear to have been booming with 2 retailers opening new stores. Chevin Cycles now have 3 stores, All Terrain now have 2 and JD Cycles moved to bigger more expensive premises. So they obviously all still think the market is growing. You would hope they were not all short sited and expand just because of the TdF?

I certainly hope not, although I can't say I've ever seen the new Chevin Cycles in Skipton with many people in it. It's not aimed at the likes of me, certainly. The new Ilkley shop seems to have much more of a buzz about it when I pop in, and I know which one I would expect to do better location-wise.

sprocker - Member
OP I am not in the trade however it seems possible that in mtb you maybe finding more and more people are buying direct - YT, canyon, commencal, on one etc. They have been getting their bikes in the mags and getting decent reviews and come out a lot cheaper relatively for spec.

Yes the German manufacturers direct sales model is proving very attractive, there are a couple of Canyons in my neck of the woods, fairly priced and good after sales service.

Out of my group of regular riders 50% of us have bought new bikes in the last 12 months. This is generally because we ride every week rain or shine in the Lakes and bikes wear out and break after a couple of years. You get maybe three or four years before the bike needs replacing but they go through spares and tyres pretty quick.

We have noticed that there are less people riding MTBs in our club and more have gone over to the dark side, I guess road bikes last longer than MTB's and require less maintenance. I am forever stripping my bike down and servicing it and its only 6 months old, just worn out a 1x11 speed drive train after 600 miles!!!

It's always quiet this time of year in a bike shop. The summer peak is over and Christmas is not for another two months. Come mid-November and sales of BSO will take off again. Same with accessories. I can still remember the sales graphs on the staff room wall at halfords. Always a big dip at this time of year.

MTB sales at the low end are down because of road bikes and ladies traditional bikes are in fashion right now. Just look at how many girls are out on bikes with massive baskets on the front!

OP I am not in the trade however it seems possible that in mtb you maybe finding more and more people are buying direct - YT, canyon, commencal, on one etc. They have been getting their bikes in the mags and getting decent reviews and come out a lot cheaper relatively for spec

I'd agree with this.
£5000+ for a top end Santa Cruz, Trek, Specialised etc or half that for a better spec'd bike with better reviews from YT or Canyon.
It's a no brainer.

Does help those in the trade understand why sales are dropping though.

Someone in the trade would be foolish to think that STW is representative of the bike buying public.

Of my riding group we swing from "spend 5k on a full sus" to "v-brakes are good, yeah?" And I'd wager none of them even know 650b is a thing, let alone think it would cause an issue if they bought one. Most people buy bikes and then ride them If they break they take them to the shop to get fixed. When I tell them I built my MTB from second hand parts bought online they think I'm some sort of bike maintenance guru. I am not.

Sales are slow because the weather is shit and it's not quite Xmas yet.

Why did I read this when I have my mouse pointer hovering over a 650b sized checkout button... 😥

When I can go out and buy a Heckler in great condition for £700 its hard to justify handing over the same money to a bike shop for a hardtail with a new wheel size, tektro brakes and a suntour fork.

Although Singletrack is not really representative of the wider market. Probably 2% of people that want a bike are comfortable buying S/H and working on their own bikes

So I don't think the STW massive's reluctance to buy new bikes is having a huge effect in distorting the market.

There's a lot of twaddle in this thread; bike sales are seasonal and we are now at the time of year when it's getting dark and wet. The economy is not stagnating; unemployment is down below 2 million (supposedly) and casual observation tells me the traffic is up to pre-crisis levels as it's taking me longer and longer to get to work and back. I know three blokes in their forties and fifties who are actively looking right now to buy their first road bikes after years of mountain biking and at least one of them plans to sell the mountain bike to help finance the new roadie. Two LBSs have told me that mountain bike sales have flatlined this summer while road bike sales have gone through the roof. I suspect that if you asked road specialists like Ribble, Harry Hall and Paul Hewitt you would find that they are doing okay. Meanwhile golf club memberships are falling (down 20% in Scotland) and formerly wealthy clubs like Ilkley are closing due to falling membership against rising costs.

Meanwhile golf club memberships are falling (down 20% in Scotland) and formerly wealthy clubs like Ilkley are closing due to falling membership against rising costs.

So cycling really is the new golf

globalti - Member

The economy is not stagnating; unemployment is down below 2 million (supposedly) and casual observation tells me the traffic is up to pre-crisis levels as it's taking me longer and longer to get to work and back.

Yeah, but pay fell in real terms and isn't recovering at all, underemployment's still massive, generally speaking there are less pounds in pockets.

Flared head-tubes are putting me off spending too.

All my bikes/forks are 1 1/8th - eventually I'll have to change, but for now I'll keep my old bikes trundling along.

I don't know about the wheel size thing, I think this place is a bit of an echo chamber with stuff like that. When most customers walk into Evans etc. there's 29 and 650b to choose from and, well, that's it really. The fact that a few years ago it would've just been 26 is irrelevant.

I'm not in the industry but I suspect it's just a combination of general belt-tightening and inevitable ups and downs in popularity of every sport.

FWIW, I'm holding off on a new road bike until there's good supply of & user feedback on the Shimano hydraulic road disks (?R875), then it's a toss up between getting a good price on a Specialized at the lbs or a canyon/rose/cube direct supply.

I agree with a lot of what has been written above about people generally having less money spare, being a little less frivolous and also concerns about which wheels size with stay.

But also, is there a bit of "marginal gains" at play here? There hasn't been a real game changing upgrade recently to force peoples wallets. Suspension design has settled, 11 speed isn't here, shock technology is slowly improving but not hugely, electronic shifting is talking about but not arrived yet. So it feels like a new bike won't bring anything new to the party, certainly not enough to justify a couple of £K.

I must admit the change in wheel sizes really ****ed me off. XC is big in the US and products are driven state-side so anything 'big'/new seems to happen there first then the Journo's over here seem to buy into and tell us consumers to buy. I wonder (in part) if consumers are holding off/disullussioned but also there was a surge to buy 29'er products so people aren't looking for new kit yet?

[b]More likely- not enough people who can buy 5k builds 0% or not. Prices seem to be creeping up generally. Decent frames now are routinely £1700+ aren't they? Who can afford to buy and change bikes every year? [/b]

Kryton57 - Member

Why did I read this when I have my mouse pointer hovering over a 650b sized checkout button...

I thought you had made a decision?

Kryton57 - Member
Why did I read this when I have my mouse pointer hovering over a 650b sized checkout button...

You posted a subject on it- obviously unsure and wondering opinion. I'll tell you this- god its ugly. It aint boutique in the slightest either. Its mainstream. It might ride good but it just looks like a mainstream bit of kit like a spesh.

I'd being looking at way more bikes IMO.

Mister P - Member
Kryton57 - Member
Why did I read this when I have my mouse pointer hovering over a 650b sized checkout button...
I thought you had made a decision?

I have. I messed up the checkout procedure on Wednesday, and literally was about to do it this morning, until I read this. I'm worried now about the 650b fad issue. Sigh... Maybe I should wait 'til next year.

hora - Member
Kryton57 - Member
Why did I read this when I have my mouse pointer hovering over a 650b sized checkout button...
You posted a subject on it- obviously unsure and wondering opinion. I'll tell you this- god its ugly. It aint boutique in the slightest either. Its mainstream. It might ride good but it just looks like a mainstream bit of kit like a spesh.

I'd being looking at way more bikes IMO.

Thats the most bullshit argument for not qualifying a bike as "good". Do you want to tell Kittell, Cav, Abslaon, Shurter etc their mainstream brands are shit?

I didn't want something "special" that looks good or with a name on it, I wanted something to meet a brief, which it does. When I've decided that brief is over I reserve the right to change my bike.

I'd say you'd be more the fool for glamorising your bike purchase and throwing your money away over a much more mediocre set of requirements tbh.

Do you need it?

Ex-gear queer here but I buy nice new shiny ancillaries and buy secondhand frames instead. My Santa Cruz Butcher can do anything a Santa Cruz Bronson or Tallboy can. It can roll across stuff just fine and it can descend like a stabbed rat if someone decent was on it.

At what point do we stop buying into '2015 brings you the best bike yet'.

650b isn't a fad. You'd be crazy not to buy that wheel size, far too much has been spent by manufacturers. It might not be any different to 26, but I'm absolutely convinced it's here to stay.
If you like the way the Giant rides, buy it. They are great bikes, even if some have dubious colour schemes.

Yeah, but pay fell in real terms and isn't recovering at all, underemployment's still massive, generally speaking there are less pounds in pockets.

Yebbut in the good old days, how much of the cash in people's pockets was borrowed on credit cards and loans? Hopefully the current generation of spenders has learned a lesson on credit.

I'm worried now about the 650b fad issue

It's not like the lack of a consensus on thru-axles for road bikes, which would put me off buying one at the moment if I were in the market.

Look at the prices:

http://www.stif.co.uk/mtb/list-top/bikes-and-frames/santa-cruz/7/all/8/0/

What does carbon save you? circa 500gms?

When i was buying my bike this year i had a few models in mind, had a go on most of the ones i wanted and went with a Banshee Spitfire. 2 reasons really. 1, i could use all of my existing kit and transfer it over from my 5 spot and 2, interchangeable dropouts so i could run either 26" or 650b.

I am very surprised there are not more companies offering this type of frame where you can run whatever wheel size you want. Plus there are also 3 geometry settings which are so easy to change to and from.

But yea OP. Its that time of year i reckon. 🙁

[i] hora - Member

Do you need it? [/i]

Don't start coming on here asking questions like that - most of us want support for buying stuff that we clearly don't need when we post on here, not more doubt.

Having said that, is that bike Kryton looking at one with the 'Giant' only head tube standard? I'd be more worried about them ditching support for that than 650B stuff disappearing.

wwaswas - nope, it has "standard" tapered steerer aka Overdrive not the Overdrive 2. The latter would have stopped me buying it also.

We run a small motorcycle/try-to-get-into-bicycles project/parts/titanium fasteners business and sales have dropped off over the last month or so. I don't know why. It may be that we've had a particularly good summer which, looking out of the window, is still continuing so people are riding instead of rebuilding/tinkering.

Anybody want some discounted Ti?

Most of us are gradually getting older with time and slower yet we want the best kit available, then ontop of this we must have numerous coaching sessions.

When do people actually stop and relax/just ride for fun and stop trying to pretend they are Kyle Strait on the DVD's?