chew I don't know your day to day life but i think killing someone with a knife is a fairly serious act.
Ninfan's called this right IMHO.
Heinlein's razor every time.
Having said that, by getting this wrong she's cemented in everyone's minds that Obama held up a load of Iraqi visas so I wouldn't totally rule out this is Trump cunningly controlling the agenda.
Hard to guess motives.
Sorry, I am not referring to other news but actually focus on the term "God is great". This is a term that is really out of sync with the language usage because it is a term that you cannot use in the sentence. This term is normally associated with prayer or use while praying. If use in other context then it is out of place which means you need to take note coz it is out of normality.crankboy - Member
chew I don't know your day to day life but i think killing someone with a knife is a fairly serious act.
Hard to guess motives.
Absolutely.... What about drum up support for an illegal policy by using fear, continue ninfan's work on the "but Obama did" line and get something wrong 3 times on national TV without being corrected behind the scenes once? The follow up from the white house of terrorism you might have misses (badly put together) shows more planning than just coincidence.
If not it's serious incompetence. Neither quality are one for people in that position.
You're waiting for a verifiable source regards a massacre that everyone accepts didn't happen, but everyone also accepts witnessed Iraqi refugees in the US involved in the attempted supply of weapons and explosives to People trying to kill US soldiers in Iraq
No, I was just waiting for you to spout more bollox. Thanks for obliging!
(Worth listening to the couple of minutes from then on by the way)
better listening from 17:30 when he claims the murder rate is highest it's been for 47 years, more alt-facts
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Ninfan no body gave him the benefit of the doubt the case was fully investigated by the Australian police who determined it was not islamist terrorism ,or do you have a secret insight or skill that the police lack.
You appear to be searching for something that we disagree on Crankboy.
More than happy to accept that someone stabbing two people and a did to death, with multiple other victims, while shouting Allahu Ackbar is completley not a terror incident
Just like I'm happy to accept that an Australian driver ploughing his car into a crowd and killing five people whilst is, similarity, not a terrorist incident:
Even though at least one eye witness reported him shouting Allahu Ackbar
What are the chances, eh?
Even though at least one eye witness reported him shouting Allahu AckbarWhat are the chances, eh?
Tateless, did they? Who were these people who heard that wile he was in his car? I assume you didn't follow any of that? Not an Islamic terror incident.
We can however talk about America's own domestic terror problems where systematically Americans with no Islamic connection have shot dead hundreds of people in schools, churches, cinemas etc. To an extent that it happens more than any attack in Europe etc.
If he wants to keep them safe he should look inwards.
Klunk - sloppy wording? Murder rate is RISING at its fastest rate in forty odd years
As discussed, you can look for some big conspiracy theory if you want, you can give the benefit of the doubt if you want, as long as you are willing to apply the same standards to both sides of the divide.
We can however talk about America's own domestic terror problems where systematically Americans with no Islamic connection have shot dead hundreds of people in schools, churches, cinemas etc. To an extent that it happens more than any attack in Europe etc.
Do they accidentally shout "in the name of Jesus" while doing it?
better listening from 17:30 when he claims the murder rate is highest it's been for 47 years, more alt-facts
At what point do Trump's never-ending lies stop being news?
I work on the assumption that nothing Trump says is actually truthful.
Give me the news when Trump says something which turns out to be true.
What the Oz killer was reported to have said is kind of irrelevant really.
The investigating authorities and even the victim's family have said that it was not a terrorist act. He knew the two people he killed. They were "friends". [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/queensland-stabbing-smail-ayad-mia-ayliffe-chung-murder-hostel-attack-allahu-akbar-a7208586.html ]Several[/url] [url= http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/french-backpacker-shouted-allahu-akbar-during-fatal-home-hill-stabbing/news-story/2d6b0d75e4afb20d943ec9d9076110bb ]reports[/url] suggest he was a bit obsessed with the girl and she spurned his advances, presumably we'll find out more when the case comes to trial in a week.
The case has been [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-37797277 ]transferred to a mental health court[/url] after a [url= http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/accused-backpacker-killer-in-court/news-story/b9150345205be8ff2215f01c3a93a1a1 ]preliminary diagnosis of schizophrenia[/url]. So the guy is quite possibly not right in the head (or at least, [i]less[/i] right in the head than other double murderers).
Do they accidentally shout "in the name of Jesus" while doing it?
Does it matter, more people are dead.
So the guy is quite possibly not right in the head (or at least, less right in the head than other double murderers).
Does being willing to martyr yourself in the name of an imaginary sky fairy in the belief that you will be rewarded with seventy two virgins in the afterlife indicate being right in the head then?
Just establishing whether the perpetrators mental Heath reall precludes something being connected with terror/religious extremism.
Well indeed. The old conundrum of what is "sane"
There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind.
Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle."That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.
"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed."
So, has anyone changed their mind about how they're going to vote next time round?
Too right:
Klunk - sloppy wording?
Compulsive bullshitter more like as he's made the same claim in the past.
Quite crazy, killing randomers is the sign of the mental illness, regardless of whether they say it's in the name of a random religion, voices in the head or for no reason at all.
More armed toddler's accidentally killed Americans than jihadists ever did.
Does being willing to martyr yourself in the name of an imaginary sky fairy in the belief that you will be rewarded with seventy two virgins in the afterlife indicate being right in the head then?
But not to stick to the point... This is about people coming to the US to do them harm. It's just not happening, picking out stuff where individuals have decided a course of action and said something religious is very different to organised terrorism. Once again you flounder making the point that the ban is pointless.
Murder rate is RISING at its fastest rate in forty odd years
Even that isn't really true as it rose by nearly 16% in 1990.
It does seem slightly bizarre to try to get support for the ban by citing something that wasn't recorded as a terrorist incident and is not something that the ban would have prevented even if it had taken place on US soil.
Mind you it was also bizarre to cite the terrorist attack on the mosque in Quebec, given that it was conducted by a French-Canadian Trump-follower.
(and let's not forget that eye-witnesses reported he was shouting "Allahu Akbar" as well)
Live feed of the Court hearing eregards the ban should be on this link in a minute:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DEK8FCBMkMQ&feature=youtu.be
Live feed of the Court hearing
Pass the kleenex??
Anyway back to the regular corruption and profiteering
Mrs Trump "had the unique, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, as an extremely famous and well-known person, as well as a former professional model, brand spokesperson and successful businesswoman, to launch a broad-based commercial brand in multiple product categories, each of which could have garnered multi-million dollar business relationships for a multi-year term during which plaintiff is one of the most photographed women in the world," the lawsuit said.
(Source - her laywer)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-08/melania-trump-lawsuit-brand-once-in-a-lifetime-first-lady/8250352
I wonder if they will try and see what the distinction between being an escort and sleeping with men for their money is 😉
Reports often say people should Alan Akbar when commiting crimes. For example the recent Quebec Mosque attack . do you believe that one was islamist terrorism Ninfan?
"Just establishing whether the perpetrators mental Heath reall precludes something being connected with terror/religious extremism."
Interesting line of argument there Ninfan so you think Peter Sutcliffe should be presented as a Christian extremist , should all Christians apologise for his murder and accept they need to do something about the dark side if their religion?
Was it not Russians who carried out the Boston Bombing terror attack? Hmmm
Russians are good terrorists and murderers though, also they didn't shout Allah Akbar so it's not terrorism.
crankboy - Member
Reports often say people should Alan Akbar when commiting crimes. For example the recent Quebec Mosque attack . do you believe that one was islamist terrorism Ninfan?
so you think Peter Sutcliffe should be presented as a Christian extremist
Again, Crankboy, you seem to be desperately searching for something that we disagree on, when I have said very clearly that I am more than happy to extent the benefit of doubt regards involvement in some form of conspiracy/terrorist plot to anyone who, on the face of it, claims to be acting in the name of God/Beelzebub/Alan's Snackbar/Helter Skelter/Britain First/opposition to cultural Marxism/communist revolution
And yet you bring up debunked or unsubstantiated stuff about attacks. If. It quacks like a duck
Reports often say people should [b]Alan Akbar[/b] when commiting crimes.
I think we need a total and complete shutdown of Partridge & Star Wars fans entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on..
If. It quacks like a duck
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And yet you bring up debunked or unsubstantiated stuff about attacks. If. It quacks like a duck
Whereas you repeatedly bring up stories of 'lies' and 'deliberate misinformation' without critically applying the benefit of the doubt whereby they could equally be explained by inadvertent human error or misunderstanding.
Is your cognitive dissonance radar twitching yet?
At least he is giving a lot of inspiration to hardcore bands, the comments section is something to behold, Russia is trying to get independence from the E.U. 😯
[quote=ninfan ]No, like all of Trumps team, she is far more dangerous than that, in fact I would go so far as to admit that it's only by a twist of fate that she isn't camp commandant in one of Donald (literally Hitler)'s internment camps yet.
#poeslaw
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Critically apply the benefit of the doubt Ninfan and apply Heinlein's Razor "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice."
Conway is on record as describing untruths as “alternative facts”
She is on record saying the same wrong thing three times “Bowling Green Massacre”
On two occasions she supplements the wrong thing with a second wrong thing US troops were killed in the Bowling Green Massacre .
She adds in another wrong thing that Bowling Green was not reported.
Her after the event correction was that she misspoke and said massacre instead of Terrorist is implausible “ islamist terrorists were behind the bowling green terrorist” is a tautology at best and nonsense at worst from a trained media presenter?
Her mistake is part of a presentation of another untrue fact for political gain” Obama had an Iraqi immigration ban “, he didn’t he had a moratorium on new visas immigration from Iraq continued during the period.
So I would suggest that the full picture cannot be explained by stupidity and not only can malice not be ruled out, only someone choosing to gaze through rose tinted glasses could be unsure of the deliberate nature of the lies.
You're clearly right Crankboy
It's all a masterpiece conspiracy of disinformation to weaken the value of truth as a concept, and they would have probably gotten away with it if it wasn't for the pesky sleuths on the Internet who figured it all out.
(Where would we be without them I wonder? Probably still blindly believing in nonsense like moon landings and that jet fuel could melt steel....)
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Thanks Ninfan i know i am , there is a suggestion that this is all part of the wider strategy which started with Spicer tell lies all the time little and big divide the population 1/3 commited loyalists will believe you regardless of facts because it is you 1/3 hated you any way and dont trust you the middle ground will hear the first two arguing and decide they can't be certain about the Truth and give you the benefit of the doubt because you represent the "PRESIDENT"
it scarcely amounts to sleuthing to listen to what Conway says and apply logic and your favourite Razor, to her actual words.
[quote=ninfan ]You're clearly right Crankboy
It's all a masterpiece conspiracy of disinformation to weaken the value of truth as a concept, and they would have probably gotten away with it if it wasn't for the pesky sleuths on the Internet who figured it all out.
(Where would we be without them I wonder? Probably still blindly believing in nonsense like moon landings and that jet fuel could melt steel....)
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Somebody posted this on Facebook.
Very interesting bit about the Republicans.
1. Don't use his name;
2. Remember this is a regime and he's not acting alone;
3. Do not argue with those who support him--it doesn't work;
4. Focus on his policies, not his orange-ness and mental state;
5. Keep your message positive; they want the country to be angry and fearful because this is the soil from which their darkest policies will grow;
6. No more helpless/hopeless talk;
7. Support artists and the arts;
8. Be careful not to spread fake news. Check it;
9. Take care of yourselves; and
10. Resist!
Keep demonstrations peaceful.
When you post or talk about him, don't assign his actions to him, assign them to "The Republican Administration," or "The Republicans." This will have several effects: the Republican legislators will either have to take responsibility for their association with him or stand up for what some of them don't like; he will not get the focus of attention he craves; Republican representatives will become very concerned about their re-elections.
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Just think about this. The official Twitter account of the president of the United States of America, is retweeting himself moaning about Nordstrom not selling his daughter's merch anymore.
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What a time to be alive!
Jesus. I was certain you'd misread a spoof tweet, but a quick check and you're right, it's real.
Couldn't make it up.
further to Jamie's post....
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What's the big old fascist bully boy been up to today?
I'm starting to imagine Trump more and more like this :
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Pretty sure that's Chewk
I had some brexit/trump/DM types around for a meal at the weekend.
They were outwardly normal human beings but after a few drinks revealed themselves to astoundingly ignorant and unpleasant.
They knew it though and were quite content, they have all they need and **** everyone else.
In other news, Betsy DeVos? could have taken a shit on the floor in the confirmation hearings, and still got the nod.
As Billy Connolly said "as soon as they start designing their own uniforms then you're in deep shit".
If Yemen was a "successful" operation how bad will unsuccessful ones be?
I had some brexit/trump/DM types around for a meal at the weekend.
El Presidente with his own 24hr shopping channel flogging Trump merch, interspersed with propaganda videos about how brave and noble the peoples champion is 😆
Yes pretty much that, but they weren't family so when conversation turned to cyclist should pay tax, wear hi viz, not ride two abreast and not not moan about getting killed etc I could hoof them out, so I did.
but they weren't family
Ugh.... I am visiting my sister and her husband this weekend - they are brexitists and trumpists 😥
Last time we visited, my wife told my brother-in-law he was a "daily mail reading bigot"..... so I'm quite looking forward to this trip.
"If Yemen was a "successful" operation how bad will unsuccessful ones be?"
They'll be like Iraq.
They'll be like Iraq.
Yep another thing started by somebody who probably wasn't the best man for the job, dodgy intellegance, changing the story to fit the planes? GW must be having flash backs
Wondering why reading the Trump thread leads to an ad for a Russian dating site to pop up? It makes you think!
Wondering why reading the Trump thread leads to an ad for a Russian dating site to pop up? It makes you think!
Yep, it does, about your browsing history prior to the targeted advertising appearing 😉
I get those adverts, generally only if I've had a read of the Army Rumours forum.
Who knows where they've been browsing the web!
Vote of no confidence in Bercow has been tabled.
This will be fun.
You come at Bercow, you better not miss!
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James Duddridge will be getting the stink eye for the rest of year.
and here we go with the new White House..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-10/trump-adviser-conway-draws-ethics-complaints-for-touting-ivanka/8258046
This press copnference was dressed by Ivanka and the pens are from...
Didn't somebody say he was rich enough to not need to use his position to make him and his family richer - thats how greed works isn't it?
On to the Supreme Court we go....
Stoner - Member
Vote of no confidence in Bercow has been tabled.
This will be fun.You come at Bercow, you better not miss!
He got his position with Labour's support ... 😆
Yeaa, he is gone ... 😆
Jamie - Member
Onto the Supreme Court we go....
Yeaa, no big deal normal day in politics ... 😛
Have you ever wondered why there is no living saint as the head of state? Yeea ... we would begging on the street for food.mikewsmith - Member
Didn't somebody say he was rich enough to not need to use his position to make him and his family richer - thats how greed works isn't it?
Politicians are no saints and [b][u]ALL[/u] [/b]of them will take advantage of their positions. Fact.
The question is which one of them will take advantage of their position yet give you a good life. i.e. leave something for you. The clever ones will leave something for you, while dumber ones will consume the lot for themselves while you rot.
Yeaa, no big deal normal day in politics .
What keep going with the same arguments that have failed until you run out of courts?
Seemed to work out for TM and her Brexit thing.
Federal appeals court rules against Trump; ban not reinstated.
Supreme Court here we come.
Have you ever wondered why there is no living saint as the head of state? Yeea ... we would begging on the street for food.
Politicians are no saints and ALL of them will take advantage of their positions. Fact.
His greatest selling point for some was he was too rich to need to abuse his position. He currently has his senior advisor telling everyone to buy his daughters clothes - In the history of being presifent it's about as bad as it gets on that one. His wife has calculated the amount she expects to make from being first lady.
While in government the key part is you do what is right for the country, you work for the country and not for yourself. It leaves you wide open to claims of self interest and allows people to question every single thing you do. We don't all aspire to live in the corrupt world, sometimes we set standards higher and expect people to follow them - especially those who made such a big deal of "Draining the swamp"
mikewsmith - Member
Yeaa, no big deal normal day in politics .
What keep going with the same arguments that have failed until you run out of courts?
Seemed to work out for TM and her Brexit thing.
Just keep at it like their oppositions after all someone should get the stress in life. Winner takes all.
frankconway - Member
Federal appeals court rules against Trump; ban not reinstated.
Supreme Court here we come.
The laws need to be tested because if the laws do not protected the majority then they are not fit for purpose.
[b][i]"Go buy Ivanka's stuff … I'm going to go get some myself today," Ms Conway told Fox News in an interview from the White House.[/i][/b]
I'm lovin' it !
Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that a Trump presidency would be so crass, would solicit so much scorn and ridicule, and would render the United States to the farcical level of a tinpot banana republic.
Oh happy days 🙂
The laws need to be tested because if the laws do not protected the majority then they are not fit for purpose.
The laws are being tested, and they are being shown to protect the majority very well.
mikewsmith - Member
His greatest selling point for some was he was too rich to need to abuse his position. He currently has his senior advisor telling everyone to buy his daughters clothes - In the history of being presifent it's about as bad as it gets on that one. His wife has calculated the amount she expects to make from being first lady.
You really need to ask yourself this question.
Do you buy something because someone tells you to? Have you been forced to wear something you don't like? 😆
Are you so suddenly so obedient you are so willing to be told what to wear or to buy out of a sudden during the Trump 1st Presidential term?
You see you are illustrating a case of dumb and dumber again.
The dumb ones are those who think they can force people to buy something, while the dumber ones think they have to comply.
While in government the key part is you do what is right for the country, you work for the country and not for yourself.
He is doing right for his country. The lesson for humanity is how much you give back.
It leaves you wide open to claims of self interest and allows people to question every single thing you do.
Are you concerned for President Trump?
Wouldn't it be good if he is corrupt and get kick out from his Presidency? Wouldn't that be the wish of the oppositions?
If he has done wrong the law will deal with him while personal opinions are plentiful.
If you are so easily influenced then what hope do you have in life? If you have to aspire to another living being for your moral guides then what chance do you have to live this life untarnished?We don't all aspire to live in the corrupt world, sometimes we set standards higher and expect people to follow them - especially those who made such a big deal of "Draining the swamp"
It's a case of winner takes all. Both sides should maintain the challenge until one side gives up then the final one standing is the winner. Majority or minority is irrelevant. Winner takes all so everyone should just use all the tricks in the book. 😆mikewsmith - Member
The laws need to be tested because if the laws do not protected the majority then they are not fit for purpose.
The laws are being tested, and they are being shown to protect the majority very well.
Sweet Jesus.
chewkw: the existing laws do protect the majority.
When the circumstances require I would agree that laws should be tested in court.
Trump signed an EO; it is not a law.
He will find that checks and balances inherent and embedded in the constitution will constrain him; he either accepts or walks or is impeached.
Bigger concern is Bannon; how long before Kushner recommends removing him?
Why are youse engaging the chewy? Do you all have a death wish? 😆
Do you all have a death wish?
Given the mass logic fails in his posts any threat would be mitigated by him quickly shooting himself in the foot in an attempt to work out how to disagree with everyone.