It is obvious that 100% of non African Americans voted Republican for the first time in 20 years
WtF 😀
supernova
Full Member
This has (again) knocked my faith in people to be fundamentally decent.I’m afraid this, along with Brexit and the immigrant hysteria I hear from all sides has done the same for me.
A lot of my friends are a bit Brexity, ive always been fundamentally opposed to it and always will. Some of these friends I've known for decades. Some of them have been through some pretty rough times one way or another, they've also been there for me when I've been through similar.
I don't care one iota about some of their politics, we dont chat about it other than the occasional, genuinely friendly jibe over a beer or whatever.
Anyway, I'm just trying to say that I count them as really good friends, they'd drop everything to help me if they could and id do the same for them.
Most people really are pretty decent but you can't expect them to be carbon copies of our own morality or politics.
Trump will be a memory one day and we'll all be worried about someone or something else.
This too shall pass and all that. 🙂
She was asked what she would do differently to Biden in a recent interview and replied that she wouldn’t change a thing while Trump’s last rally ended with him asking the crowd ‘ are you better off now than you were four years ago? I reckon that would’ve swayed a lot of undecided voters
And that's not even a difficult question to answer, even if she didn't plan to change much, she could have still talked about the future and how their policies will affect and improve peoples lives.
That doesn’t explain why he lost in 2020.
Trump lost in 2020 as more people simply showed up to get him out. Trumps vote numbers for 2024 are near identical to 2020. Harris' are almost 20% lower than Biden. 13m votes. It seems that either people didn't want her specifically, the democrats more generally or were more ambivalent about Trump.
I don't think the Democrats did themselves any favours by continually trying to target Trump, they just made him a martyr and less objectionable, so much so that people didn't show up to vote against him.
It seems that either people didn’t want her specifically, the democrats more generally or were more ambivalent about Trump.
I totally agree. I think the Democrats had a poor candidate with a poor campaign which didn't energise voters sufficiently. I don't think the primary reason is that American voters are racist.
The really telling stat for me from the election was a question in exit polls about import issues. Less than 10% of Republicans believed that being trusted to keep your word was important...So, as long as Trump says he's going to do something, they happy whether he does it or not...erm, okay?
the number 1 priority given in exit polls was the economy, all incumbent governments have been hammered at the elections post inflation bomb
the Dems couldve put the original JFK up and still lost and I suspect any other republican wouldve likely won too
The Dems lost it 4 years ago when Biden became president - to have a proper succession plan in place & rely on someone who at 78 then was already too old to run again in 4 years, that is a batshit plan.
candice owens wants alex jones as WH press secretary
and the horror show begins.........
It really IS going to be a horror show, isn't it. 🙁
This Candice Owens?
Who couldn't get into Australia?
what does she have to do with anything?
Boeing might be getting out of space travel and design.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
Thank you Mr space Karen for your support love dj trump
I totally agree. I think the Democrats had a poor candidate with a poor campaign which didn’t energise voters sufficiently. I don’t think the primary reason is that American voters are racist.
Seems right to me, there was an opportunity to beat Trump as he wasn't a great candidate either but the Democrats choose an incoherent candidate who was one of the most unpopular VPs in history.
The Carlin quote is "the economy, stupid"
One of Trump's strengths as a campaigner, which he shares with Farage, is he actually appears to be enjoying himself and the company of his voters
The last thing that Trump ever seems is happy.
is he actually appears to be enjoying himself and the company of his voters
He loves the attention. He wouldn't give a stereotypical supporter the time of day if he wasn't on the campaign trail
The Carlin quote is “the economy, stupid”
Alledgely a white board, possibly this one:
Not sure Carlin ever said it, but it / he was quoted on TV at the time as “it’s the economy, stupid”
We’ll need to think of a collective term for
Elon Musk
Hulk Hogan
Dana White
Bryson DeChambeau
Joe Rogan
Russell Brand
Jake Paul
Mel Gibson
Trumpolyps?
We’ll need to think of a collective term for
Elon Musk
Hulk Hogan
Dana White
Bryson DeChambeau
Joe Rogan
Russell Brand
Jake Paul
Mel Gibson
As they follow it disappointing and worrying Trump, they have to be the Skidmarks
So they see what they perceive as strong role models in Trump and Vance. Hugely financially successful, boastful sexual exploits, ones a former marine etc. it resonates with them. A female, minority former prosecutor absolutely does not resonate with them.
Same market as Tate.
Trump knows how to play the room, everything they did with all the legal cases, he used to increase his base, how many other people are we seeing on the other side who can do this.
Just saw trumps acceptance speech. Whatever you think of his policies and the man in question, it's clear he's losing his marbles. He's a rambling mess of a man.
My mum is 75. My brother (a doctor) asked me to keep an eye on her as she occasionally gets a bit mixed up with stuff. Compared to trump she's like a 25 year old in prime of life. And he has the nuclear codes ffs..
tpbiker
Free Member
Just saw trumps acceptance speech. Whatever you think of his policies and the man in question, it’s clear he’s losing his marbles. He’s a rambling mess of a man.
Nice and malleable, just what many of his backers want.
Boeing might be getting out of space travel and design.
*I think that's maybe a different subject... but...
*Boeing senior management may be the the architects of their own demise.
*It's kinda good timing that "space karen" is lined up to replace them. convenient. Very convenient.
I just saw this on FB from a guy called Dan Richardson and thought it worth posting here.
Call me defeatist, but I’m going to say this one last thing, then disengage from the subject entirely.
It’s hard to know what to say anyway, but it’s an important enough issue to at least clarify my position, to be on the right side of history if nothing else.
There have been moments I’ve just wanted to write, “If you voted for Trump, save me the trouble, disconnect from me, I want nothing more to do with you”. Tempting, but I’d like to be a better person than that. Less ‘knee-jerk’ at least.
That being said - and this is the main crux of this post - if you did vote for him, I’m acutely aware that no words of mine, or anyone else’s, could possibly hope to reach you.
What I mean by that is this. His astonishing list of transgressions have been on full display for all of us to see for a decade, so to pick any particular item from that list and point it out to you would be utterly futile, because surely you already know.
I could say, “He’s a self-confessed serial sex offender”, but you already know that, we all know that, so it must not matter to you.
I could remind you that he was found liable for rape by a jury, but you remember that anyway, and it obviously doesn’t matter to you.
I could say, “He thinks climate change is a hoax, he’ll remove the US from all efforts to curb carbon emissions”, but you already know that too and you voted for him regardless, so that clearly doesn’t matter to you either.
I could assert the glaringly obvious facts that he’s a pathological liar and a malignant narcissist, that he’s known for ripping off contractors, cheating on his wives, stealing from a childhood cancer charity, he bankrupted a casino. It really doesn’t matter which specific thing I could focus on from the extensive list of disgraces and embarrassments, you know all about all of it already, but none of it matters to you. Or at the very least none of that matters to you as much as…what?
The price of eggs? The cost of filling your car with gasoline?
You think the guy who bankrupted a casino is going to improve the economy? You think all the respectable economists are wrong and that the guy who clearly doesn’t understand how tariffs work is magically going to save you money?
Out of curiosity, how cheap do eggs have to get in order for you to consider rape as an acceptable compromise?
How much do gas prices have to go down to in order for you to reconcile in your own mind being ’pro life’ when you’re simultaneously happy for women to be refused medical intervention while they’re bleeding to death in a hospital car park? When you’re insistent upon the child victims of incest rape to be forced to give birth to their own father’s child? All because of your god that they don’t even necessarily believe in themselves.
As I write this, I’m fully aware that it won’t scratch the surface of your delusion, so spare us both the wasted energy of the response you maybe formulating in your mind right now. I won’t read it.
We are so fundamentally different on every level, morally in particular, that even the vaguest agreement or common ground seem out of reach. If you don’t already understand that he’s a bad person, I can’t help you see it. I don’t want to be so pedantic as to unfriend, unfollow or block anyone, but I am prepared to, because your support of this despicable human is so selfish and so negatively consequential to others that it’s nigh on impossible to respect you.
The darker side of me, which I’m growing tired of hearing from lately, hopes you personally feel the full force of the decision you’ve made as it all comes crashing down around you. At that point, you’ll be hoping you have sufficiently loyal and patient friends willing to accept your apology.
The lighter side of me hopes that someday, somehow, you’ll evolve sufficiently to be capable of feeling the shame and embarrassment befitting of your recent choice, but sincerely and regretfully, I doubt you ever will.
To the rest of you, in the US and globally, I’m deeply sorry for what we’ve been forced to endure.
I’ve deleted X from my phone and from this point forward it’ll be all animal welfare and conservation.
Love and light
And I know I shouldn't, but I'm hoping to get quite a bit of use out of this over the next 4 years
https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/654934442549620736
Come January we'll see the biggest inauguration crowds ever seen in the history of earth. Bigger than the biggliest crowds at the biggest sporting events. There'll be sharks there too, electric ones, that will eat the faces of the woke, hunt the Haitian people that eat cats and expose the fake news and something about wind turbines. Big crowd for big Don. Most massivist big crowd ever. Number one sex offending president ever
I'd also like to recommend Hypernormalisation by Adam Curtis.
There's a Trump thread through it (as well as a Putin/Surkov one).
Brinksmanship, corruption, bullying, lying. Trump is a shit. A useless shit whose only talent is spotting the hole to slither out of to escape. Nothing has changed about him as a 'person'. But he's pulled the biggest con job since the early 1930s.
Anyone who voted for him can go to hell. From the red-toothed, card-carrying KKK nutters to the petticoats and 'nice christian', demur types who bumble and say 'sir' and 'maam' a lot, but turn into devils in a polling booth. All the same in the end.
So did the Reps, and a criminal to boot.
Trump has a unique delivery style but pretty much everyone who listens to him knows what his big issues and policies are - he will batter them in every speech. The ironic thing being having a strong border to protect workers's wages, a protectionist approach to preserve jobs and not to waste money on foreign wars would have been mainstream policies of the Democrats not that long ago.
I’d also like to recommend Hypernormalisation by Adam Curtis.
There’s a Trump thread through it (as well as a Putin/Surkov one).
Hypernormalisation was basically prophecy. Its quite scarily accurate when you watch it considering it was made before he ran for president first time. It’s still on iplayer and is essential viewing
The ironic thing being having a strong border to protect workers’s wages
Except for his speech right after the votes had come in, where he stated not about preventing people from crossing the border, and said they need immigration, but those had to be put through legal channels.
Because as we all know, migrant labour is cheaper. Which doesnt bode well for those who think their jobs and wages are secure.
a protectionist approach to preserve jobs and not to waste money on foreign wars would have been mainstream policies of the Democrats not that long ago.
I am not sure about that, which recent Democrat President is associated with tariffs on foreign imports? United States hasn't pursued protectionist policies since before WW2.
And has any postwar US President been more associated with American GIs dying in foreign wars that Lyndon Johnson? Nevermind the cost of the Vietnam War.
The Democrats have long been a free trade foreign interventionist party.
United States hasn’t pursued a protectionist policies since before WW2.
They are the kings of the non tariff trade barriers for instance during the 70s they negotiated lots of voluntary export restrictions
US President been more associated with American GIs dieing in foreign wars that Lyndon Johnson?
That caused a backlash so McGovern and Carter were very against interventions when running for office and historically the Republicans have been far more hawkish.
McGovern and Carter were very against interventions when running for office
I am not sure that what you say when running for office counts. You claimed that not wasting money on foreign wars was a "mainstream" Democrat policy not long ago. Based on the behaviour of Democrat presidents I don't think there is much evidence of that, in fact there is evidence to suggest the opposite.
And I am glad you agree with me that unlike Trump Democrat presidents have not had compulsory protectionist policies in recent times. Negotiated voluntary export restrictions 50 years ago don't count - they are not comparable to what we are actually talking about.
Hypernormalisation was basically prophecy. Its quite scarily accurate when you watch it considering it was made before he ran for president first time
The lyrics of Green Day's American Idiot are also prophetic when you consider when it was released.
Vladimir thinks he's great though - a 'courageous' man no less.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mlp5p4lvko
Has anyone ever found themselves skint? And not only that but with no obvious routes out of being skint and basically resigning yourself to a life of disappointments and eventual death after many years of misery?
Have you walked into a shop intending to buy food but noticed that a bottle of vodka just happens to cost the same as what you were planning on spending on something to eat?
You know that drinking a bottle of Tesco vodka is not going to fix things and, in fact, it's probably going to make things worse. You pick it up, pay for it with the last of your money, go home, sit in front of the TV, and get shit faced.
Trump is the bottle of vodka. The Democrats are your boss telling you not to get drunk because you have to go do your shitty job in the morning.
In the West the frog boiling has been going on for at least the last 45 years. The number of people who find themselves with a choice between eating and carrying on with their shitty lives or picking up a bottle of vodka is slowly but surely increasing all the time. Is anyone really surprised people want to tell the Democrats (and, by the way, also Labour) to go **** themselves?
Something radical needs to happen across the West and it needs to happen soon. Billionaires and oligarchs are making people poorer, and then they are convincing people it's immigrants who are stealing all their money.
By all means, hate people who voted for Trump or Reform all you want. I do. Although at the same time, if I were in the shoes of a lot of them, all I can say is I've picked up the Tesco vodka in the past and I probably would again.
