Call me what you like Somafunk.
People like you normally call decent people racists, or Nazis or something like that - so why not start there?
What’s Biden managed, apart from not being able to even speak coherently?
Covfefe
No, feed the troll. Its fun.
He didn’t try and win the popular vote. Why would he, when that’s not how you win a presidency?
and yet he still lost, again and again and again what a loser.
We need to get this onto another page quickly, my thumb is wrecked from the scrolling
You’ve given me no reason to call you a racist or nazi, but you have, by definition, drunk and bathed in the “Kool-Aid” so delusional is entirely accurate.
Donald thinks he's still president.... plastic columns 😀
you're not a loser mr trump really you're still president. Have they drafted in a Pence lookalike to try convince "the base" that it's business as usual?
Amazing how the Trump lovers go on about Biden apparently not being able to speak coherently, yet seem to forget the many examples Trump came out with that proves he’s barely literate
Steve thge barbarian
By supporting a racist rapist you out your self as guess what? A supporter of racism and a misogynist.
So yes you are a racist and a mysogenist
failed troll fail.
Call me what you like Somafunk.
People like you normally call decent people racists, or Nazis or something like that – so why not start there?
You just called lefties the lowest form. Of scum in the world, or something like that.
I don't know why you ****ers are coming here, but there's a handful of you pussies rearing your nasty little ugly heads recently.
People like you normally call decent people racists, or Nazis or something like that
well you are not a decent person and you have showed that you support racism and mysogyeny
I'm imagining Stevie boy dressed up in a horned helmet and face paint, draped in an Ikea rug.
And it's time for another request for a killfile or forum block facility please.
And it’s time for another request for a killfile or forum block facility please.
Nah, he’ll stop posting when his mum calls him down for tea.
Best president since Ronald Reagan.
Ronald Reagan ignored the Aids crisis and refused to take it seriously where the knock on effect killed people due to either disinformation or just hoping it would go away because it didn't affect him, then yes, you are correct. Trumps refusal to take action and put out disinformation about a deadly disease got more people killed than if he'd actually taken action earlier.
Based on having a hand in killing the American People, then yes, he was the best President since Reagan
I just popped in to see what the orange bawbag had been up to now, not disappointed 🤣
His minions are clearly as bonkers...
I've not called trump a bawbag for a while.
Trump is a bawbag.
That's really as much rebuttal as this needs.
Damn you Swavis, beat me by two minutes.
Big orange petulant man baby, Trump as well.
Interesting.
Pro Trumpist has Trumps failures pointed out, Trumpist can only respond by saying it's a Left Wing conspiracy or such.
How are the "left wing" the bad guys in the world right now?
I don't look at the news and see a world in chaos over a monstrous left wing take over.
The right wing parties/policies in the world, however, well...
^ Pretty much the standard tactic of far-right nutjob accounts on Twitter:
1) Post an assertion that is laughable at best.
2) Copy and paste from or post links to untrustworthy far-right websites.
3) Start throwing around insults that people are "scum".
I note that the account in question had been dormant for years, before it started posting again. Also, once again a familiar pattern to some of the less salubrious accounts on social media.
Anyway, back to Trump. He was, is and always will be a ****head.
How are the “left wing” the bad guys in the world right now?
Because those of us who do identify as left of centre want to see some radical, unacceptable things like universal healthcare, an end to racism, cuts to carbon emissions, free education, equal pay and opportunity and proportional representation.
It's amazing how so many are easily confused with conflating social democracy with communism, but I guess they were the type of people who sat at the back of class in GCSE History and huffed tippex thinner.
universal healthcare, an end to racism, cuts to carbon emissions, free education, equal pay and opportunity and proportional representation.
Ahh, the classic calling cards of supremacist culture.
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This bloody forum.
Hey StevieBabs thanks for posting all Obama’s achievements!
@Thepodge - best post in ages! Made more sense than the suspiciously resurrected Barbarian's chain of drivel 😀
It's funny the Trump thread is still going.
A washed up has-been, clinging to something, anything, anything, before being flushed down the toilet of time, like an unexpected jobbie.
darthpunk
Free MemberRonald Reagan ignored the Aids crisis and refused to take it seriously where the knock on effect killed people due to either disinformation or just hoping it would go away because it didn’t affect him, then yes, you are correct. Trumps refusal to take action and put out disinformation about a deadly disease got more people killed than if he’d actually taken action earlier.
Based on having a hand in killing the American People, then yes, he was the best President since Reagan
...and that barely registers on the Reagan Shitometer. Trump was really bad but long term it's unlikely he'll prove to have caused a fraction of the harm that Reagan did. Or rather Reagan's government- that might be the real difference, Trump surrounded himself with halfwits and sycophants and never bothered to actually understand how to get things done, Reagan was a useful idiot with a pack of highly competent bastards behind him.
Hacked account, sleeper account or always a nobhead?
I recognise the name from previous neofascist rantings
A washed up has-been, clinging to something, anything, anything, before being flushed down the toilet of time, like an unexpected jobbie.
Unfortunately he does still seem to have an outsized influence on the republican party and him and his moronic supporters are still busy undermining faith in the electoral system and, where possible, gerrymandering it to give him or his appointed successor a better chance next time round.
No posts by the barbarian for 10 years until now.
Has he/she been locked away?
Not a grain of intelligence, critical thinking or even common sense in their inane emissions.
What’s Biden managed, apart from not being able to even speak coherently?
How are the “left wing” the bad guys in the world right now?
It used to the the case that the right believed themselves to be the 'everyman' - Nixon's 'Silent Majority' (their version or our Shy Tories maybe), the Christian Right 'Moral Majority' and so on. 'Majority' - they defined themselves being the people who upheld the interests of 'normal people' - the man of the Clapham Omnibus - even if that wasn't something that wasn't necessarily reflected at the poling booth.
Now the right sees themselves as a repressed minority - backs to the wall against overwhelming odds. Even when the right had control of presidency and both houses and a huge swathe the media they still talked in terms of being the few against the many (and even with the change of fortunes in recent elections it has hardly been a landslide - republican representation is still very prominent)
Its a very effective way to galvanise people (ifs also a way of creating a suicide cult if you're that way inclined) - to make people think they are the last chance, the only true believers - and to think that everyone else is out to get you - not least the people who are supposed to be your allies: RINOs, Mike Pence even.
In one way its very effective - if you want votes and flag wavers and noise makers. But its also sort of self defeating. Trump has a large cohort of supporters who all as individuals think they're an overwhelmed minority - that they are on their own and ultimately that they are powerless. A lot of people really believe that the election was stolen from them - minor scuffles like the capitol invasion aside.... they are really dong nothing about it because they've all along they've been told they're alone.
There’s a Netflix series currently airing called “How to become a Tyrant”
Many many parallels
Donald Trump is/was a tyrant, held back only by a fragile constitution. Im not sure the constitution would have survived another 4 years of Trump.
Trump didn't start the overseas wars many predicted he would. I believe that by around 2022 he would have started a war somewhere and sought to leverage for a third term. He wouldn't have started a war based on American foreign policy interests, He would have started a war based on his own personal interests.
I bet he now wishes he'd started a conflict a couple of years back, knowing that a nation at war generally favours the incumbent at election time.
Trump didn’t start the overseas wars many predicted he would
I thought an important appeal Trump had over Hilary Clinton was that she was very much seen as a hawk/warmonger, whilst he was very much associated with the strong anti foreign war/intervention wing of the Republican Party?
I certainly thought that apart from the issue of Palestine a Trump presidency was more positive globally than a trigger-happy Hilary Clinton itching to have a confrontation with the Russians, Syrians, or anyone else who was seen as a threat to US global dominance.
With the added advantage that the US's international influence would be diminished, something which has indeed happened with lasting consequences.
Obviously as I am not American myself Trump's appalling and divisive domestic policies are not a priority for me. I'm looking at it from the perspective of the interests of the billions of people in the world who aren't American.
I certainly thought that apart from the issue of Palestine a Trump presidency was more positive globally than a trigger-happy Hilary Clinton itching to have a confrontation with the Russians, Syrians, or anyone else who was seen as a threat to US global dominance.
Trump was an America-first unilateralist. He rejected the notion that democracies have common interests and it is for everyone's benefit to contribute to that. Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, etc. are brutal dictatorships and Trump's attacks on alliances between democracies was the best gift those countries could have asked for. His foreign policy was catastrophically bad. The only reason he didn't go to war with Iran was because his military staff talked him out of it.
Agree with all of that thols2 except I'd say that Trump was a 'Trump first' unilateralist.
Under previous administrations you could at least see how foreign policy attached itself to neo-liberal interests etc. With Trump it's just random shit. Previously we could see who the doves and the hawks were, now there's only snakes.
Trump was like a medeival child king, can you imagine being a pentagon official or chief of staff going into the oval office thinking 'whats next?' Knowing that the presidents chief advisor is 'my pillow guy', knowing that you have to be carefull what information you furnish him with lest he tweets out the nation's secrets, or gives them to Russia?
Trump was a ‘Trump first’ unilateralist.
Yeah, but authoritarians conflate the national interest with their own personal interest so "America First" means the same as "Trump First" if you're Donald Trump.
whilst he was very much associated with the strong anti foreign war/intervention wing of the Republican Party?
Only in so much as they aligned themselves with him, and he could count on their immediate support for his needs. If at any point had what Trump needed changed, or they didn't agree with him, or he didn't need their support anymore. He would have happily gone into whatever conflict if that got him what he needed. As Inkster suggests, Trump did what was best for Trump, if that had meant going to a war, he would've done so at the drop of a hat.
Trump was actually surprisingly good at, against all the odds, winning a presidential election, and almost winning a second one. And who knows possibly winning one in a few years time.
His secret appears to be by successfully identifying demographic issues, although not necessarily ones which he agrees with.
A couple of examples are the Christian Right and the Mexican border wall. Trump is clearly not a Christian but that didn't stop him courting the Christian Right promising to serve their agenda.
Nor did he believe for one moment that Mexico would pay for a wall constructed on the US border, but he knew that making the wall and the claim that Mexico would pay for it an election issue would have huge appeal to the innate racism within his voter base. I don't for a minute believe that he thought a wall was actually needed, it just proved to be a useful tool to secure the racist vote.
Likewise his strong isolationist policies which have a very long history within the Republican Party. Interventionist wars are associated with Democrats such as Lyndon B Johnson and neoconservatives such as George W Bush.
The point I'm making is that Trump understands his support base, that's obvious, and whether he personally agrees with them or not is irrelevant, he is not going to piss them off.
For that reason foreign wars and intervention was always going to highly unlikely under Trump. In contrast Hilary Clinton is a proven hawk and interventionist who as president would have almost certainly increased and escalated US involvement in military conflicts, and most worrying of all, possibly authorized combat engagement against Russia, obviously with the intention of it being limited. I don't think the world can risk that sort of aggressive US foreign policy.
The point I’m making is that Trump understands his support base
Only in so much as they support him, and that's as far as his inquisitiveness goes, as to why they want to support him, or what they want from him, he's not in the least interested, Remember, the words that come out of his mouth are meaningless, he'll say whatever he needs to say in order to get what he wants.
Likewise his strong isolationist policies which have a very long history within the Republican Party.
This is just coincidence, remember, Trump was a registered Democrat voter, and thought he might stand for the presidency as a Democrat. That there is a group of folk in the Republican party that share this view for as long as Trump thinks it's useful for him, is meaningless happenstance
