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The one thing Trump has missed in his first 2 weeks is making America great again .
He , and his followers , think he has made America safe with the travel ban and the wall .

But not a lot on creating jobs and wealth for Americans .

Whether his ego or the reality of the job got the better of him, he is doing the opposite of what he said , reducing US intervention abroad .

I think by reducing intervention, what they meant was humanitarian intervention and nation building - imperialistic wars were always on the cards if you listened to what Bannon was saying. The American public just didn't make that distinction.

, you laugh, but the basic premise of my argument, to increase EU defence spending and forge a closer political and military union is already forging ahead at a quicker pace thanks to Trump. I have lots of European friends who now, thanks to Trump, vocalizing support for an EU nuclear dettereance.

But only the French have a capability and no ability to produce new fissile material. European military union just means more headquarters and less bayonets and tanks, AH, FGA, AD, etc etc. Your European friends are deluded.

The Europeans should also be considering cancelling all F35 contracts in favour of updated Typhoons and a 6th gen contract competition - to reduce reliance on the American defense industry.

The "fourth reich" comments are enlightening, Brexshitters seem to resent Nato and on the otherhand baulk at a stronger EU.

The EU army was the most anti NATO developmentout there, the whole aim was to reduce the influence of NATO to give power to Luxembourg town mayor's. Most of the leave campaigners were pro NATO

To be honest your world view is so disfunctional I still think you are Yuri

The one thing Trump has missed in his first 2 weeks is making America great again .

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But only the French have a capability and no ability to produce new fissile material. European military union just means more headquarters and less bayonets and tanks, AH, FGA, AD, etc etc. Your European friends are deluded.

This statement is only true is so for that the EU is incapable in the same way that Japan has no technical ability to produce nuclear weapons either, however Japan is considered a de facto nuclear state by many as they are considered about 1 year away at any time, from being a nuclear armed state - they even have 35 tonnes of Fissile material stored in Europe, so to say that Europe doesn't have the capability is a bit laughable really.

What will we fly off the carrier's? How long do you think it will take to get an alternative?

I'm arguing from the point of view of the EU, not bexshitting Britain. Why should the EU give a **** if our F35's end up costing double?

[quote=cchris2lou ]The one thing Trump has missed in his first 2 weeks is making America great again .

You must have missed the so-called president tweeting earlier:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827885966509604865

OK Yuri

Also

The EU army was the most anti NATO developmentout there, the whole aim was to reduce the influence of NATO to give power to Luxembourg town mayor's. Most of the leave campaigners were pro NATO

So you're opposed to the European Union developing autonomy, because it would reduce the influence of British and American neo-imperialism on the continent?

Nice.

So ****ing what, if they are anti-Nato? They have good reason to be, America cannot be relied upon. Again, you're just outing the Brexshitters as the racist, stuck in the past imperialists that they are.

So you're opposed to the European Union developing autonomy, because it would reduce the influence of British and American neo-imperialism on the continent?

So **** what, if they are anti-Nato? They have good reason to be, America cannot be relied upon. Again, you're just outing the Brexshitters as the racist, stuck in the past imperialists that they are.

Time for bed Yuri, too much vodka 😉

Tom. One question... when the EU gets their own Nuclear Weapons, who is going to have firing authority?

I'm sure they can work that out, Trump is hardening European attitudes in terms of close political integration, he is going to have the opposite effect that Farage et al intends. What is with this utter derision of Europeans, are they not capable of deciding these things for themselves?

They could also run a dead mans hand system.

Besides, aren't British sub commanders given firing authority independent of Downing Street authorisation?

I'm sure they can work that out,

Come on, it's your plan, you must have thought through the practicalities, how does it work? You've had decades since Kissinger asked "Who do I call if I want to speak to Europe?” - who gets command authority?

Besides, aren't British sub commanders given firing authority independent of Downing Street authorisation?

And back on topic - Trump has set a new record - the lowest approval ratings of an incoming president ever.
Probably why he is firing off tweets as a distraction...

the lowest approval ratings of an incoming president ever.

Wow, that's terrible, shocking - so does that mean he won't still be president tomorrow, and the day after, then?

No, letter of last resort is signed by the PM

Still, firing authority rests with the commander alone and the letter can indicate the commander to use his discretion.

The same could be done for any EU nuclear force - for the commanders to use their discretion in the event of a nuclear attack - with no direct authorisation from an elected official.

I bet you brexshitters would love that, an Anglophobic nuclear armed superstate on your doorstep.

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Wow, that's terrible, shocking - so does that mean he won't still be president tomorrow, and the day after, then?

Of course it doesn't. Still, makes you think.

Come on, it's your plan, you must have thought through the practicalities, how does it work? You've had decades since Kissinger asked "Who do I call if I want to speak to Europe?” - who gets command authority?

This is just ****ing hilarious/rich coming from you.

Anyway, why not just give the authority to the European President?

I'd have no issue with that.

ninfan - Member

Wow, that's terrible, shocking - so does that mean he won't still be president tomorrow, and the day after, then?

If he doesn't sort his act out, it will mean the biggest outpouring of schadenfreude since the word was invented.

The same could be done for any EU nuclear force - for the commanders to use their discretion in the event of a nuclear attack - with no direct authorisation from an elected officia

which commanders?

So far you appear to have taken the EU from a democratic union of independent states into a militaristic superstate with, uniquely, nuclear weapons under the direct and sole authority of an unknown and unelected military junta

And you wonder why the Brexiteers wanted out 😆

Edit: ah, you've come up with an answer:

Anyway, why not just give the authority to the European President?

Good to see the tough questions getting allowed/asked.

Wow, the old long-debunked Kissinger phone call thing....didn't think I'd ever see that again.

'Reginald Dale of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington (and before that of The Financial Times) has written to me to say:'

“Kissinger never made the famous remark about Europe’s telephone number. According to the late Peter Rodman, who knew him well, the saying is apocryphal, and in fact Kissinger’s concern was the precise opposite – he was fed up with having to deal with a Dane whom he regarded as incompetent and ineffective, who was trying to represent the whole of the EU as President of the Council.

Kissinger himself has disowned the remark, and it seems that he was actually seeking to [b]divide and rule in Europe[/b], rather than be restricted to a single voice on the telephone.”

I’m amazed people don’t have more faith in the political opinions of a nine inch nails fan.

The same could be done for any EU nuclear force - for the commanders to use their discretion in the event of a nuclear attack - with no direct authorisation from an elected official.

Anyway, why not just give the authority to the European President?

Who is that? The role doesn't exist. Come on Yuri, your knowledge of western European institutions is letting you down

I bet you brexshitters would love that, an Anglophobic nuclear armed superstate on your doorstep.

The French have had nuclear weapons for a while now

which commanders?

So far you appear to have taken the EU from a democratic union of independent states into a militaristic superstate with, uniquely, nuclear weapons under the direct and sole authority of an unknown and unelected military junta

And you wonder why the Brexiteers wanted out

Brexiteers like yourself wanted to see the Union dismantle, I would just find it utterly utterly hilarious if that backfired on them.

http://www.politico.eu/article/why-europe-is-secretly-rooting-for-donald-trump-us-election-2016/

If Europeans want to have an indirectly elected Council President with Nuclear authorisation, that is up to them - not you, not the United States and not the UK. They could of course, very well decide to directly elect persons to that position, if they were to give the post holder that power.

Who is that? The role doesn't exist. Come on Yuri, your knowledge of western European institutions is letting you down

Oh I'm sorry, I meant the councils president.

So according to Der Spiegel, European nuclear deterrence is already being talked about in hushed tones amongst diplomats....informal ideas being thrown around.

Well done Trump and the Brexshitters, you've finally convinced Europe to spend more on defence - just not quite in the way that you wanted.

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-revocable-trust-business-empire-money-conflicts-of-interest-trump-organisation-don-eric-a7563391.html ]Donald Trump maintains direct ties to business empire, documents show[/url]

I'm starting to wonder whether Trump actually wants to be impeached. Certainly impeachment would be an attractive proposition for Trump as it would cast him as a victim of "the establishment", and a martyr in the eyes of his more adoring fans.

The alternative of screwing up for 4 years because he simply can't hack the very demanding job of US President and then losing an election would be deeply humiliating for Trump.

And I have no doubt at all that Trump's primary motivation is his overinflated precious ego.

You know, I'm actually starting to think the US really will go to war with China. Folks were saying, like now "war would be too expensive! We're too globalized!" right up to the eve of World War I. History tends to rhyme and we're long overdue for a large scale travesty/murder party.

You know, I'm actually starting to think the US really will go to war with China. Folks were saying, like now "war would be too expensive! We're too globalized!" right up to the eve of World War I. History tends to rhyme and we're long overdue for a large scale travesty/murder party.

Why would trump bomb the factories that make his products?

Is it vodka or anti freeze you are drinking Yuri?

I think that he and Bannon have read the RAND report, that shows that the USA may come out economically on top of a country that they view as a competitor.....

Why wouldn't they start a war, considering Bannon has stated that he wants one - and Trump wants a trade war?

If he goes to war with China neither country will have much left with which to be competitive.

Are you going to keep up with this constant reference to "Yuri" big_n_daft? It's not actually funny.

I don't think that Trump or Bannon believe that though, slowoldman. Something tells me, that in their hypermasculine, competitive, win at any costs world - they see a war with China as a necessity of business and their egos think that they could pull it off.

anyway can we leave the planning for WW3 for a bit

Why aren't the lawyers looking at and using the Federal Court decision in Boston, which is at conflict with ridiculous lift ban decision?
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Because the ban was lifted by a judge, many very bad and dangerous people may be pouring into our country. A terrible decision
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What is our country coming to when a judge can halt a Homeland Security travel ban and anyone, even with bad intentions, can come into U.S.?
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Why aren't the lawyers looking at and using the Federal Court decision in Boston, which is at conflict with ridiculous lift ban decision?

I for one think their should be no pudding in the white house this evening...

The replies to the tweets tell you a lot, mostly the offensive racist idiots are pro trump and those that can form sentences against

[quote=ernie_lynch ]I'm starting to wonder whether Trump actually wants to be impeached.

It does appear to be one possibility - though in reality I suspect he just thinks they wouldn't dare and that he can do whatever he likes.

Just to join in with the crazy speculation, was the plan all along of the right to get Pence in by the back door?

Are you going to keep up with this constant reference to "Yuri" big_n_daft? It's not actually funny.

Does it have to be funny?

Pointing out the tripe he's coming out with is similar to a what would be expected of Russian #fakenews twitter site is arguably a public service.

Is this rational?

On the bright side, maybe if there is a large war in the Pacific, loads of spams will get killed - which is always a bonus, the American Navy might get decimated and the spams will spend the next 50 years doing a good bit of introspection like Germany did.

The American attitude towards the EU is disgusting, and personally I do think that it is about time the Union responded in a robust way with hard ppwer.

Or a teenager (Yuri?) ****ing off?

So according to Der Spiegel, European nuclear deterrence is already being talked about in hushed tones amongst diplomats....informal ideas being thrown around.

So you think that starting another nuclear arms race is a good thing?

On the bright side, maybe if there is a large war in the Pacific, loads of spams will get killed - which is always a bonus, the American Navy might get decimated and the spams will spend the next 50 years doing a good bit of introspection like Germany did.

That's a pretty nasty statement.

The American attitude towards the EU is disgusting, and personally I do think that it is about time the Union responded in a robust way with hard ppwer.

You do realise there would be no EU without American hard power?

The only time that Continental Europe has ever raised armies to fight a common enemy was that business on the Eastern Front in the 40's. Didn't go well then either.

Why wouldn't they start a war, considering Bannon has stated that he wants one - and Trump wants a trade war?

You do know that a trade war is slightly different from a war.

Bannon doesn't have any power, influence maybe, power no.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38872680 ]oops! toys are going to flying out of the pram [s]now[/s] again.[/url]

oops! toys are going to flying out of the pram now.

I still think the people holding the strings are geniuses, and this is all part of the plan.

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What is our country coming to when a judge can halt a Homeland Security travel ban and anyone, even with bad intentions, can come into U.S.?

How long till Brietbart or Fox declared that judges are "Enemies of the People"?

Love the hyperbole [i]"anyone, even with bad intentions, can come into U.S"[/i].

The judge hasn't thrown open the borders. Everyone is still subject to the same restrictions and scrutiny that were there before the ban.

Love the hyperbole "anyone, even with bad intentions, can come into U.S".