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The latest one on briefings is madness
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/business/media/white-house-press-briefings-some-degree-of-accuracy-required.html
“Maybe the best thing to do would be to cancel all future ‘press briefings’ and hand out written responses for the sake of accuracy???” President Trump wrote on Twitter on Friday morning.
Claiming that it's not possible for the press sec and others to be accurate as things move to fast is treating people like idiots. the strain is starting to show, as suggested by a few he seems to not be taking any legal advice, suggestions that he taped the meeting with Comey without his knowledge are interesting to say the least.
It fascinating to watch until you realise he's the second most powerful person in the world.
After the Lizard Queen?
The person playing him like a banjo
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Trump's pick for USDA chief scientist is a non-scientist, climate-change skeptic, conservative talk radio show host
Sigh.
On the other news ... sorry to disappoint Trump's opponents ... 😆
They will be friends! [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39906459 ]As BBC reported here[/url] and [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39894119 ]here.[/url]
Like I said previously everyone loves trading and in that region it is about trading ... 😛
The North Korean nuclear war is not going to happen as there shall not be major fireworks to reduce world population. They have spoiled me entertainment to see some dog-fights etc 👿
Me prediction goood from the start for that region and I bet all of them will gang up to hammer the busy body liberals all over the world soon ... 😆
Good to see how real, normal Americans view their president for once, rather than all the leftie SJW's drama queens:
In other news:
And in other news Jeff honest fella Sessions ag forgot to remember that he had recused himself from anything to do with the Russian allegations (that involve him) when he recommended getting rid of the guy running the investigation. Oops
So to clarify insane, unbalanced, deluded leader might have some meetings with Kim jong-un.
akira - Member
So to clarify insane, unbalanced, deluded leader might have some meetings with Kim jong-un.
Show me a saint like non-delusional leader from this world. 😆
Jose Mujica.
akira - Member
Jose Mujica.
Delusional (Mujica). If he thinks he can change the world.
He might have done well for himself but that does not mean he is saint like non-delusional.
Done well for himself, you mean lives on a pittance and gives his money to charity?
ninfan - MemberGood to see how real, normal Americans view their president for once,
Yep, this specially invited group of young people from an evangelical christian school are completely representative of America.
(read the comments to see some more real, normal americans.)
ninfan - Member
Good to see how real, normal Americans view their president for once,
Sorry missed the obvious one, you set em up we knock them down. Least popular president ever? Lowest approval ratings. Does that mean the majority of Americans are leftie sjw's or whatever new lame insult your going for now?
Making Nixon look honest since 2017...
Edit - if your going to bother at least put some effort into, your bridge is going to be repossessed at this rate.
At least his tax return issues have been resolved, his lawyers say he has no monetary connections to Russia, apart from a few. So that's that settled then.
Yes. His money, his life so he is free to do as he wishes coz nobody is telling him what he should do with his assets etc. Does he have children? Why not give the money to his wife? Is his wife rich that she does not need money?akira - Member
Done well for himself, you mean lives on a pittance and gives his money to charity?
Does he think he is morally superior in his ideology than others? Why yes/no? 🙄
Morally superior to Trump? Why yes I would certainly say so. Although to be fair that's not exactly much of a challenge.
[quote=chewkw ]They will be friends! As BBC reported here
I'm sure Kim Jong-un sees Trump as a like minded dictator.
[quote=akira ]Morally superior to Trump?
Ah, was that the challenge? Let me think then:
Robert Mugabe?
An interesting quote in something I was reading today
Mr. Drutman is particularly concerned by the way congressional leaders immediately backed Mr. Trump.“That suggests that partisan loyalty is still far more powerful than checks and balances,” he said.
Ms. Stokes worries about Mr. Trump’s temperament. “Political scientists assume that politicians are ambitious and mainly motivated by a desire to win and retain office,” she said. “It’s not an uplifting image of our leaders but at least it makes them predictable, their actions explicable. An ever-improvising president, one who is utterly undisciplined, even to the point of undermining his own positions — that really does worry me.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/opinion/how-worried-should-i-be.html
Sums up the lurching from one thing to the next with no real plan - or at least forgetting it and running off after something glinting over there and maybe a balloon floating up over here.
I'm not saying that its true....but wouldn't it be amazing....?
This is Louise Mensch's blog - she's been uncovering some really interesting stuff over the last 6 months
[b][i]Trump’s presidency ended May 9th[/i][/b]
Well if it's true at lease [i][b]somebody[/b][/i] might actually be listening to the briefings rather than watching Fox
Good to see how real, normal Americans view their president for once
I'm making what I think is the fairly safe assumption that ninfan knows that these youngsters are "specially invited evangelical christians" and that they are what he thinks is representstive of what he calls "real" Americans. Whether or not they can be described as "normal" is of course, a different discussion.
I suspect that he would be a lot happier if all Americans were to reflect this particular cultural niche.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was found to be longing for a permanent solution to the "problem" of the millions who don't fall into his view of what constitutes "normality".
It would would certainly offer a degree of finality...
Boltonjohn, from your article's first line...
Several sources familiar with the matter say that Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah is being given security briefings to prepare him for the Presidency.
I think Hatch was the designated survivor (during the inauguration), and holds a role not completely different from the speaker (ie a reliable old hand who can steer the ship if it all goes to shit in the event of a crisis) . It wouldn't be a massive surprise if was receiving security briefings.
This is Louise Mensch's blog - she's been uncovering some really interesting stuff over the last 6 months
I'm torn. I think that in the past she's been a fantasist but I'd really like her blog to be the truth in this case.
I'm torn. I think that in the past she's been a fantasist but I'd really like her blog to be the truth in this case.
bigly
oops
is it Mossad hes upset?
could well be us. there was a senior ex spook on r4 about 3 months ago suggesting UK intelligence agencies didn't trust the trump camp. Stuff they had told the US was coming back via the Russians. I don't think at the time they thought it was Trump himself telling our secrets to the ruskies 🙂
David Kochel, Jeb Bush’s top strategist in the 2016 presidential campaign, tweeted: “John McCain probably revealed less to the KGB in 5+ years of torture at the Hanoi Hilton than Trump did in 5 minutes in the Oval.”
🙄
im in the very odd position of wanting louise mensch to be right about something!
Nice that he told the Russians the actual [i]city[/i] the information came from. That should help them narrow down their search nicely.
Ninfan, do you remember how much you criticised Hillary for supposed breach of security?
It's got nothing on this....
To be fair to Trump the Russians did help him win the election and he gets a lot of money from them/ owes them a lot of money.....
It's got nothing on this....
Hillary doesn't get to decide what information she shares with our allies in return for collaboration and cooperation in the war on terror
The president does,
that's his constitutional role.
The president does,that's his constitutional role.
Except it wasn't really his intelligence was it. It was given with trust, it will stop intelligence sharing. Like the bloke in the pub desperate to show off how important he is, show what he knows. Pathetic as usual.
Remember how the majority of Americans feel about him
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
The president does,
i like that ninfan clings to the idea the donald actually understands what he did, how sweet.
ninfanHillary doesn't get to decide what information she shares with our allies in return for collaboration and cooperation in the war on terror
If there any evidence that Hillary's failure to suitably protect her emails actually lead to a breach in security.
ie not to a "possible breach of security" or "the risk of a breach of security" but an actual breach ie her emails were read by an external source?
As far as i can tell, the answer is no?
So whilst Hillary's actions were ill advised Trumps latest gaff is FAR more serious because it actually reveals security details to a foreign state.
I like the irony that the man who boasted that he was [url= http://uk.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-intelligence-briefings-skip-2016-12 ]too smart to go to daily intelligence briefings[/url] and then later explained [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-scary-intelligence-briefings-interview-big-enemies-out-there-a7534031.html ]he prefers single page bullet-point briefings[/url] is now in trouble for revealing too much from those briefings. 😆
ninfan - MemberHillary doesn't get to decide what information she shares with our allies in return for collaboration and cooperation in the war on terror
The president does,
that's his constitutional role.
He also gets to be the one to take responsibility for doing so. Whether he likes it or not, the buck stops with him.
I'm just surprised he hasn't yet tweeted and top secret security stuff. Or maybe he has?
He also gets to be the one to take responsibility for doing so. Whether he likes it or not, the buck stops with him.
lock him up...
Things are certainly accelerating!! Very exciting!
Finally got around to watching 'Wag the Dog' last night. DeNiro & Hoffman in a classic '97 comedy about the lengths the White House will go to to protect the President
Awesome movie!!
pre latest gaffe approval ratings
Interesting that 538 are projecting improvements to his approval ratings in the future, suggesting they think we are at Peak Trump Disapproval (for now).
So he (DT) is now claiming he has the right to reveal security secrets which is probably true, he's the chief exec after all. But maybe, quite possibly, checking with your security advisers what can and can't be passed on might be worth thinking about.
Interesting that the spokesman says the Trump didn't whereas the Trump himself implies, sorry - tweeted, that he did.
Does Trump actually have right to do so? Or are there protocols in place?
So once other intelligence agencies stop sharing intel with America because of this gaff what is trump going to do? Twitter and fox news tend not to be the best place to find such things.
Tom_W1987 - Member
Does Trump actually have right to do so? Or are there protocols in place?
He can choose to declasify anything, however doing that may have serious repercussions if you can think for longer than 144 characters
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Tom - he may have the right - I'm certainly not an expert on the US constitution or powers of the POTUS, the point is that just because you have the right doesn't mean that you have to exercise it.
Agreed.
Really enjoying his utter trainwreck of a presidency though.
14 minutes - still waiting for the exciting conclusion to his current multi-part tweet. I like to think he is currently wrestling an advisor/lawyer for his phone:
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He can choose to declasify anything
Publicly, they may say that, but behind the scenes? I very much doubt it. I'd be surprised if the Pres can do anything of this nature without the say-so of the NSA/CIA etc. and I imagine that's made official by some kind of protocol.
Those pesky leakers and their leaking all the things like the National Security Advisor was great friends with the Russians, or all the other things.
What this will do is stop the intel sharing. Sensitive info in the hands of other governments simply won't be passed on to the USA.
It appears it might have been a Mossad agent compromised. The Israelis are not going to take kindly to that and whatever you think of them they are certainly Israel fist second and third. No more Mossad intel to the US
Tune into next weeks episode of POTUS uncovered to see who it was....
Or at this point Alec Baldwin has a gig for the next 3 years
GrahamS - Member
Interesting that 538 are projecting improvements to his approval ratings in the future, suggesting they think we are at Peak Trump Disapproval (for now).
I was thinking that
theres going to be a hardcore base that still believes in him even if he ends up in jail (tho sadly thatll never happen) if the economy holds up(looking shaky tho) then people might start forgetting how un-normal it all is
Im still amazed that 39% actually approve of him
I know his approvals are at record lows compared to all other presidents but still!!
I suspect Mensch is right and he has been issued with a sealed indictment. Two sources are giving corroborating info now.
We may well see him in jail.
We may well see him in jail.
nah they always pardon the pres
What this will do is stop the intel sharing. Sensitive info in the hands of other governments simply won't be passed on to the USA.
It's not just sharing with the agencies of other countries. This will make it more difficult for the likes of the CIA to recruit and maintain informants in any foreign country, e.g. not just Islamic State, but anywhere in the Middle East, North Korea, Russia, China etc. Can you imagine the cold chills that must now be going down the backs of anyone who spies for the USA in those countries and would be deemed a traitor if caught?
The more valuable the intelligence an informant provides to their CIA handler, the more likely it would be important enough for Trump to be given details of it.
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Remember how the majority of Americans feel about him
Yes but, according to ninfan, they're not REAL Americans so presumably they don't count.
And anyway, they're only waiting around to be rationalised by ninfan's solution.
Which will be final.
so it was Mossad whos intel he shared against their wishes.
can they just hurry up an impeach the douchebag?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39944520 ]he just can't help him self [/url] 🙂
And still no end to the tweet... The nsa are good
According to the NSA Trump had no idea what the source of the info was. If that's the best defence they can muster- "he was just giving away information without having any idea what the consequences were"- then I think it's fair to say it's not going too well
President Trump is right in sharing info with Russia to deal with their common enemies unless you lot object? 😆
Trump is a dead duck president, the man-child is a liability to security and stability, even you chewkw have to finally acknowledge that.
Thinking more about this "didn't know it was classified or what the source was" defence, I think we need to know what the man himself thinks:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/772582467601588224
Oh. But I'm sure Paul Ryan will have his back when it comes to such carelessness?
https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/751106162574053376
Oh.
According to the NSA Trump had no idea what the source of the info was. If that's the best defence they can muster-
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somafunk - Member
Trump is a dead duck president, the man-child is a liability to security and stability, even you chewkw have to finally acknowledge that.
The only security threat comes from the losers who are trying to side with their common enemies (IS). They are just trying to sabotage Trump's Presidency because for once the losers know and see the beginning of the end to their lame global ideology. 😆
The only security threat comes from
Somebody discussing N Korea at the dinner table while aides use camera phones to light up classified documents
Somebody who get's his picture taken in front of the massive list of controversial ideas white board
The one who told a Russian ambassador where the source lives
Somebody who ignores serious counsel on the risks his national security advisor could be seriously compromised
The one who called on Hackers to reveal classified information to embarrass his opponent.
How about the guy who held a closed door meeting only for the other guys to post the pics online
There are ways to share intelligence with people, when all the people who really know disagree then it should tell you something.
Trump is doing rather well all on his own to sabotage his presidency without the need for other parties to help, and the idea of a global ideology led by a group of elites is fanciful conspiracy stuff pedalled by the likes of Alex jones and his conspiracy bawbags
Edit :
Do you consider this an acceptable use of presidential power?
President Donald Trump asked FBI chief James Comey to end an inquiry into links between his ex-national security adviser and Russia
ah thats is all cleared up then
The Russian foreign minister has responded to the growing furore over his recent White House meeting with Donald Trump, saying the meeting was totally devoid of intelligence.“If there was intelligence in the room, we didn’t see it,” Mr Lavrov told a press briefing. “We may have shared some intelligence with him, but it was certainly a one-way trade”.
He sought to calm fears about US secrets falling into Russian hands. “Through our sources we get leaked a transcript of every conversation that takes place in the Oval Office. But we’re yet to see anything of substance, so Americans can rest easy”.
http://www.theshovel.com.au/2017/05/17/trump-meeting-contained-absolutely-no-intelligence-russia-confirms/
If there was intelligence in the room, we didn’t see it
That's a very genuine interpretation in a nutshell of a one to one meeting with the president of the United States
mikewsmith - Member
There are ways to share intelligence with people, when all the people who really know disagree then it should tell you something.
The problem with that is that those people really need to let go ... let go ... let it be ... 😆
President Trump likes to do things his way.
Get it? His way. Not the demoncrats nor his political opponents' way.
That's the problem innit ... He gets to decide his way. 😆
[quote=GrahamS ]Interesting that 538 are projecting improvements to his approval ratings in the future, suggesting they think we are at Peak Trump Disapproval (for now).
It just looks like regression of the mean of the centre of the confidence intervals to me. It's pushing it a bit to suggest they're predicting his approval rating to improve when the confidence interval includes a significant decrease in his rating.
That's the problem innit ... He gets to decide his way.
Yes he does, a man who hasn't manged to follow up his last tweet (probably got bored) now needs to think strategically. Somebody who's plan A for business is screwing everyone else over including the people he was working with, somebody who has so far managed to defy political scientists who now have come to the conclusion he is working on full random mode rather than having any actual plan or direction.
As I'm sure we will find his way doesn't always end well.
As people are now suggesting comparing him to Nixon is a little insulting the good old Richard.
[quote=chewkw ]That's the problem innit ... He gets to decide his way.
Until he doesn't. When he was elected and inaugurated I honestly thought his impeachment was a fantasy from those who were desperate to get rid of him. I now think it's likely (that or he resigns first). I doubt they're even still trying to find something to impeach him on - they're simply waiting for him to mess up enough that he loses the support of his party so that there the impeachment proceedings aren't too difficult to get through the house.
Oh and the bookies now agree with me - he's odds on not to complete his term.
Crikey I don't know it's that easy to become President of USA without being able to think. If that is the case I don't want to think. 😆mikewsmith - Member
That's the problem innit ... He gets to decide his way.
Yes he does, a man who hasn't manged to follow up his last tweet (probably got bored) now needs to think strategically.
As I'm sure we will find his way doesn't always end well.
If only you could see that far you would have your preferred candidate in the Presidency ... 😆
They better think of something quick coz President Trump is draining the swam and it's getting closer ... closer ... soon they will just have to comply. 😛aracer - Member
I now think it's likely (that or he resigns first). I doubt they're even still trying to find something to impeach him on - they're simply waiting for him to mess up enough that he loses the support of his party so that there the impeachment proceedings aren't too difficult to get through the house.