So he and wife were both at "home" isolating but needed child care. At home need child care. That I don't get, well enough to drive 5hours and dump potentially infected kids on parents so he and her could self isolate presumably for 7-14days without the kids.
Baffling isn't it? If I had a kid and showed symptoms, I'd stay at home with the kid. As would basically anyone else. I don't see why that makes it OK.
To be honest, I think the BBC should be facing questions too, reporting that drivel. It's against all logic.
Well enough to drive 5 hours and being ill enough to need child care seem mutually exclusive, especially if it's just the one kid.
Just emailed my mp Alec Shelbrook, with munrobikers text. Cheers.
Just mailed my MP. Don’t see any harm in doing so.
The harm is he will just be replaced by someone with a lower profile.
He's deeply unpopular and almost universally seen as untrustworthy. Even hardcore Borisites are suspicious of anything he's involved in.
My hope would be he stays and brings down Boris but that does then leave the question of who would replace Boris I suppose given the time to a general election.
I emailed my MP with he text too (thanks, munro biker).
David Davies, Monmouth. (that's him, not me!)
Always useful to imagine the fuss had Diane Abbott done the same...
Dear Dom didn’t go to his parents, he went to his parents second home inside the grounds of their main home.
Clearly within the rules, surely
Exactly no rules broken as they don’t explicitly state not to do this.
I’ve emailed Nigel Huddleston with that text, thanks for facilitating my lack of thinking this early in the weekend.
They seem to be quite keen to get people to focus on the childcare issue, presumably because they think they can defend that and it distracts people from the fact that he drove 250 miles when he had symptoms.
Just email my MP Dr Dan Poulter
Cheers Munrobiker,
sent your text to Robert Largan MP, High Peak
lets see if there's a reply....or indeed any action at all!!
I would suggest that anyone else writing to their MP's, don't just cut and paste that text, it dilutes the letters power if everyone just has exactly the same, a cut and paste campaign does not reflect peoples real feelings, just that they like jumping on a bandwagon.
Just write something in your own words.
Exactly no rules broken as they don’t explicitly state not to do this.
Apart from SELF-ISOLATE and DONT LEAVE THE HOUSE for 7 days when suspected (let alone pretty much certain) with cv-19, you’re right nothing at all...
No you’re right I can’t see where it says you specifically can’t drive 250 miles shedding the virus... especially not when you’re too ill to get out your bed... (dangerous driving anyone?)
So, Dom and best mate Laura K reckons he was staying at a different property to his folks.
The police reckon differently, their report states he was in the same house.
And his wife reckons they never left London.
I'm glad we cleared that up.
Anyway, lying through gritted teeth worked for Jenrick. I'm sure Dom'll be fine.
Apart from SELF-ISOLATE and DONT LEAVE THE HOUSE for 7 days when suspected (let alone pretty much certain) with cv-19, you’re right nothing at all…
and anyone else in the household (eg the kids) needs to isolate for 14 days too
Was he fit to drive or did someone else drive?
Does he own a car or did he borrow one?
Hope it wasn't an official car.
Given that plod were stopping the very few cars on motorways at that time how did he get through?
Yeah, if you have got the time to write something individual please do. I put that up to try and push those who are a bit rushed/couldn't quite be arsed enough/were in a Saturday morning fug over the edge but if you've got five minutes write something from scratch. They don't need an essay so it shouldn't take too long.
Where is the house in question and what are the c19 figures like round there? Could a spike in cases be attributed to Cummings?
The beauty/danger of the special adviser system is that they operate outwith the rules that apply to Civil Servants. Even if he's 'sacked' he and his team (he's just the chief bastard) will still be working for Boris.
and anyone else in the household (eg the kids) needs to isolate for 14 days too
The Guardian is reporting that Cummings young son was seen in Durham too.
I've emailed that to mine, thanks
He knows too much to be let go.
Enjoyed from twitter “Look you can’t blame him for this, the Government’s messaging has been really confusing”
Somebody commented on Facebook that he should be sacrificed a la Wicker Man to ensure that brexit goes well with Bojo dancing round in a dress..
'Oh No, oh God, oh Jesus, oh no'
Could a spike in cases be attributed to Cummings?
No. Because ‘someone’ decided that the UK would stop any track/trace/isolate measures, despite the rest of the world, included the WTO, screaming that it was the main thing required to control the virus and save lives. So, when looking at that key time period, no spike in cases can be attributed to any individual. It’s quiet scary to think that the personal action/inaction of Johnson, Dorries and Cummings may have directly led to increased cases amongst the wider population, but there is no way to know either way. Still… good old “British common sense”… “shaking hands with everyone at the hospital”.
Isnt the current hotspot for covid in the NE. There is a rise in cases for the duration of his visit
Shit the bed!
We are ****ed.
No10 is basically going with "he didn't break lockdown rules"!
When he manifestly did.
Looks like the powers that be who pay Cummings to hold Boris's strings really don't give a shit.
😕
Cummings is untouchable. He made the PM PM.
You can just imagine the scene.
In the early hours of this morning Joris is awoken from his alcoholic slumber by the phone. He answers and a familiar voice he could never quite put a name to says:
Voice: Cummings stays.
Joris: Err, err what the hell time is it? Jenn.....I mean Carrie, what time is it? Who is this?
Voice: Cummings stays.
Joris: But....but....he's bang to rights. There's no spinning this one. I won't be able to....
Voice: Cummings stays.
Joris: But....
Voice: Lie. For ****s sake. Lie. Blatant, subtle, whatever. Cummings stays.
Joris: But....
Voice: Lie. You're good at it. You know it and we know it. But what really matters, little boy, is that we can prove it.
Joris: I see....
Voice: Not all of it you don't. We've got proof you only shackled your shitty little wagon to our train to grab some power. We've also got some very short links between you and some very 'interesting' characters. Not to mention some err ladies. But **** all that. You lie. Cummings stays.
<Hangs up>
Joris: Pass that bottle, Carrie.
Exactly no rules broken as they don’t explicitly state not to do this.
Apart from SELF-ISOLATE and DONT LEAVE THE HOUSE for 7 days when suspected (let alone pretty much certain) with cv-19, you’re right nothing at all…
No you’re right I can’t see where it says you specifically can’t drive 250 miles shedding the virus… especially not when you’re too ill to get out your bed… (dangerous driving anyone?)
BTW I’m not condoning his actions(‘twas Irony’), I think it stinks.
It brings to light again how these people implement rules that somehow apply to us but not them.
If you live in a Tory seat now is the time to write to your MP to call for Cummings’ resignation.
Given that my local MP is Jake Berry, I won’t be bothering. I did tweet him to say I’d be interested to hear his views on it. He didn’t reply...
https://twitter.com/jacothenorth/status/1263747106675851269?s=21
Cummings is untouchable. He made the PM PM.
Course the knives could be out For Boris.
Just emailed my MP Edward Argar. Just a pole-climbing yes-man so I don't expect anything to happen.
Cummings is untouchable.
He is indeed. He knows where all the bodies are buried. They can't do anything to upset him
The police said they spoke to him
No 10 says the police didn’t speak to him
Someone is lying
There is no way in the world he will be sacked, he is untouchable
I'm finding this pretty much as depressing as anything else that's happened over the last few years, if I'm honest.
I don't know where we go when it's as blatant as this, and nothing, but nothing, changes...
As wrong as I think he was to have undertaken the trip, to have put other member of his family at risk and to increase the risk of spreading the virus around the country, he and the tories will spin it to say it was essential. We cannot prove he had no other option but to undertake the journey so his child could be looked after.
Its wrong on so many counts, but Boris will just be able to say it was essential and he had no choice.
The government message was/is that we shouldn't be putting our children into contact with their grandparents. Personally, visiting parents would have helped us out immeasurably to have them help look after the kids, the wife is a teacher and I work from home. We've also all been ill with the virus during the lockdown, but we never once thought we needed to drive 250 miles to visit family whilst we were ill. He should be fired, but being the slimy kind of guy he and Boris are, they will get away with it. He also think it is reasonable behaviour to drive 250 miles whilst being ill with the virus, he thinks it is reasonable to put his parents and Durham locals at risk.
No fan of the Tories, Johnson or Cummings, but am I the only person thinking that the calls to resign are OTT, and a sad feature of modern politics, being nothing more than a rather spurious excuse to get rid of someone we either don't like or whose performance we dont rate?
EDIT: And the correct behaviour is for him to throw his hands up, admit he's cocked up apologise and say he'll do better.
Same as I would have expected to happen to Neil Ferguson
(I am fully expecting to be the only person voicing this opinion).
You won’t be the only person. Plenty of others will be nice and deferential as well.
Anyway, they’re sending the currently quite popular challenger chancellor out to bat…
https://twitter.com/welshgasdoc/status/1264153611518476289?s=21
Vinnyeh, my opinion is that if the government and top officials flout the regulations, you are creating a two tiered system. You cannot have one set of rules for the "top brass" and one for the riff raff. If laws were put in place to stop the spread of the virus, those laws have to apply to everyone.
You won’t be the only person. Plenty of others will be nice and deferential as well.
Not being nice and deferential. Obviously deserves some punishment, a weekend spent disinfecting tube carriages or something, but not a sacking offence
Vinnyeh, my opinion is that if the government and top officials flout the regulations, you are creating a two tiered system. You cannot have one set of rules for the “top brass” and one for the riff raff. If laws were put in place to stop the spread of the virus, those laws have to apply to everyone.
You're advocating a two tiered system. I wouldn't get sacked. Those laws make provision for punishment.
am I the only person thinking that the calls to resign are OTT
Pretty much, yes.
He's been the one calling the shots on the government policy from day one. So it was he who was responsible for setting the rules on lockdown about what people were and weren't allowed to do.
He then flagrantly ignored these very rules, because, you know... obviously they don't actually apply to him.
If rules on movement were applicable to anyone, then it is most certainly to somebody who was displaying all the symptoms, which he was at the time. By his own rules, he should have been self-isolating for 2 weeks. But he drove 250 miles instead.
If that's not a cause for resignation, then I don't know what is?
He won't resign, of course. They are above the law and just do what the hell they like. The rules don't apply to them, just to us little people
