[Closed] Doctor claims to have doped 150 sports stars

Spanish footballers surely?

Quick scan shows soccerists being the main story. Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester and Birmingham.

Will be more I assume judging by this;
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Probably all of the above.
Hope not on the cyclists (JTL?)

Or he's an attention seeker, either way he's in trouble.

Really?
People try and cheat to earn a living. Well I never...

Is that all?

Not really surprising that elite sportstars are on the gear.

My money is on football and rugby players, sad state of affairs but i fear we have only scratched the surface over the past few years of doping exposures

I reckon darts players.

Hmmm, the Sunday Times running an article about cheating... who's it owned by again?

Could we give him the phone number for Aston Villa please? There's still time, arithmetically.

I think we can safely rule out any Villa players. No way they are taking performance enhancing drugs.

Hmmm, the Sunday Times running an article about cheating... who's it owned by again?

The company that employs [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Walsh_(journalist) ]The Little Troll[/url]

Put your chips down. The Sunday Times has excellent journalists, with a long history of breaking important stories. OK, so this one may be guff, but the paper has a strong record, regardless of ownership, that deserves a little respect.

"It was time to accept that drugs were in sport, he argued, and that athletes should be free to take anything they liked under the supervision of medical specialists".

Well that's OK then. Just so long as the "medical specialists" get their cut.

British cyclist who's done the TdF and doesn't ride for Sky due to Murdoch connection. Millar? Alex Dowsett? Adam or Simon Yates? Dan Martin (races for Ireland but is Brummy) I can't think of too many more in recent years.

There are other UK riders, but names will just tarnish the innocent

There's a bloke who works with lots of boxers and athletes who admitted he has developed several undetectable PED's and nobody batted an eyelid, Memo Heredia. no surprise its happening in other sports.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Well give us the names of all 150 or I'm not interested. 🙄

There's a guy works down the chipshop claims he's Elvis

Why on Earth would you go to a third party in this day and age to partake in such blatant Tom Foolery? I mean WHY..... FFS, Do these people want to get caught? Is it part of their genetic make up? I've always found that when I do something REALLY stupid the less other people know about it the better, nowadays people only seem willing to take part in stupid activitys if there is a good chance of getting caught.

Maybe that's why they do it? If it's not I wonder if I could get a Job as an advisor to Really Stupid people to get them to do proper bone stuff,

WHat Flashy says The times, despite its scumbag owner, is still a fine and esteemed publication with a decent record of breaking stories, especially sports related drugs ones.

It has to be listened to when it speaks

Also agree all we want is the list of names

And due to the way it will work names will have to wait until they publish a day someone with an account copies the text out... Still got a business to run there

Its amazing how this will shock people that Football and Rugby have a doping problem!

In other news, certain Welsh man did do quite well in the tour last year didn't he... how did he place the year before remind me?

Sounds like a good piece of investigative journalism, following contact from a whistleblower.
Here's the bit on cycling:

[i]It was not just football. Cycling is widely believed to have cleaned up its tarnished image especially in Britain - but Bonar’s comments suggested otherwise. He admitted to seeing “quite a few cyclists”, especially for treatment with EPO.[/i]

[i]He said he had treated Tour de France cyclists from Britain and abroad with great results. “They just lead the pack,” he said. “One guy who did the Tour de France — I mean it was just incredible . . . especially when you are going uphill or you need more oxygen to get to your muscles. It’s amazing.”[/i]
[i]
Over dinner, Bonar began reeling off the combinations of drugs and supplements he used on his cyclists. He said he gave them steroids for “bulk” and “strength” but also kept them lightweight with supplements such as thyroid hormone and another drug called Victoza. “It’s a diabetic drug that strips off the fat . . . a lot of my clients, they want to cut,” he said. Despite Bonar’s claims, there is no independent evidence that Bonar treated the sportsmen. [/i]

Based on pretty much nothing I'm going with the doctor being a fantasist nut job.

Exhibit A;
https://twitter.com/ZenGrifter

Exhibit B;
http://www.****/news/article-3354179/Harley-Street-doctor-kept-patient-dark-terminal-cancer.html

Unless they have some concrete evidence this is going to go absolutely nowhere.

Again.

He's hardly the most credible of witnesses.

It's on Radio5 just now. Normal platitudes being trotted out about why they mustn't do anything...anything at all.

no evidence blah blah, no jurisdiction blah blah, just rumours blah blah, very strict regulation in place now blah blah,

the people "running" anti doping and the various sports authorities are bending over backwards to make sure the money never dries up. It's their [b]only[/b] concern.

Not read the article but sounds like he's been reported to UKAD a few times but they've not been able to pursue it as he's outside their jurisdiction. I'd be cautious about rubbishing witnesses, usually how a cover up starts.

This from UKAD

UKAD recommended the sportsman gather more information and pass it on to the GMC, the doctors' regulator, "if appropriate".

Or, "we won't bother doing our job properly."

When the players are worth so much money why would the football club let them go to someone like this (if the club are aware)

Or if the players are doing this off their own backs then why not use a more trusted doctor?

I think it's probably more a little man saying big things.

I think it does go on but with far more professionalism. It has to when there is so much money involved.

What did they say about Lance Armstrong? If it's too good to be true?

There have been a few unusual results in the premier league this year!

I'm still amazed anyone thinks top athletes aren't on gear...

I think it would be easier if we just had a witch hunt to find the ones not doping and throw them out.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35953447 ]denial denial denial[/url]

Doping needs to be a criminal offence. For the athlete, for the doctor and for the middle men/women with jail time in the sentencing policy. Only then will the risks outweigh the gains

No they won't. Many sports people are happy to take performing enhancing drugs even though they can lead to Premature injury, illness an death. For many, the chance of fame and money will still be too strong a lure. Think about it, most start when quite young and won't even heed advice on smoking, drinking and dangerous driving.

,I'm not naive about doping. Hated Lance from the Simeoni affair onwards. But this Dr seems a self-serving narcissistic bull shitter and I'd like to see some documentation before fetching my pitchfork.

I remember a spate of stories like this over the past 15 years, this is just the first one google found for "placenta treatment".

Anyway I reckon chiny.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8364226.stm

It doesn't surprise me one bit - there's that much money in the game with a lot of it bent it & that much money to cheat, sorry earn, you'd have to be the World's biggest optimist to think that the EPL is clean.

Have a look round & see what other big buck sports there are & how many of them haven't had some kind of PED issue in the past!

I don't think that money is the primary motivation in most cases.

I don't think that money is the primary motivation in most cases.

What do you think it is then?...

big_n_daft

Doping needs to be a criminal offence. For the athlete, for the doctor and for the middle men/women with jail time in the sentencing policy. Only then will the risks outweigh the gains

It's cheating at sport. Get some perspective. Big boys and girls making the choice to gamble with their health/reputation for potentially massive financial gain, not hurting anyone else (with the exception of combat sports like boxing and MMA where roids may well give you an edge to severely damage someone).

It's cheating at sport. Get some perspective.

Something that some people dedicate their lives to and also make a living from. Perspective?

& can potentially cheat & lie their way to many millions a la Armstrong?

However you dress it up it's immoral & can potentially benefit the individual huge success & fame...

So, yeah, criminal offence? I think so too.

not hurting anyone else

it's fraud, both sporting and financial. The numbers are staggering in terms of the difference in earning for getting gold or not

If you don't think it hurts people you need to think about the issues a lot harder and do some background reading other than Lance biographies

The Italians and others have criminalised it