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I think you need to be a parent to understand how you feel about the situation,a bit like not voting and then whingeing.
Oh, sorry. I appear to have posted something which has been posted before. I didn't realise, but I feel stupid now. I guess that's the first time it's happened on STW. Is there a punishment that'll now be meted out to me, or will I just have tossers spamming the thread telling me what they would and wouldn't like to read whilst simultaneously failing to realise that they could easily have ignored it.
I like this post and would vote for it, if it was a cute baby I'd post it on FB. If I was offended by such behaviour, I wouldn't look at it.
I'm not sure a 1 year old is best placed to agree to their images use by a photographer
Thats not what I ment. it doesn't matter if the person is 1, 10 or 18 the law regarding using photographs is the same.
I think you need to be a parent to understand how you feel about the situation
I am a parent and used to be a photographer
here are my kids
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I think you need to be a parent to understand how you feel about the situation.
In my case, and many others, being a parent doesn't mean that you understand or agree.
And I'm not sure not being a parent would preclude someone from understanding of agreeing.
So in conclusion, no. 🙂
used to be a photographer
[i]>Presents picture with one subjects face obscured and blown highlights.[/i]
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At least you cleaned the EXIF
the thing is you might decide that it's silly paranoia for your kids but you don't know other kids' positions. they could be kids of abusive or stalker parents, kids under local authority care, kids in the UK whose parents are being threatened or harassed by overseas governments, kids whose parents are dealing with organized crime groups... You might think these are unusual but in my network (inc FOF or FOFOF) I know such people, and they are out there. and I'm not even a teacher or social worker that would really come into contact with such kids often
and if you say that all our sports team is going to be photographed and put on Facebook, you're sort of saying you don't want those kids playing, or at least that if they want to play, they have to accept the risk
Sorry,didnt come across quite as intended, I have 3 kids and I think we have been quite restrictive in the use of there images online ,mainly out of respect for them, there is a big difference between F.B and a family album.How many of us have had our pics put in the public domain to the extent of which the current generation find acceptable? It seems to be the norm now but how many will get bitten in the arse? What does it take to remove yourself from the net if you wanted?
here are my kids
/hides under table and waits for world to end
Why does anyone go to the trouble and expense of getting their baby photographed? They all look the bloody same! Just download a stock photo from the internet and put that in a frame - no one will be any the wiser.
It seems to be the norm now but how many will get bitten in the arse?
There is a big difference between having a photo of yourself with your head down the bog, ravishing some young strumpet or kicking off at a protest march plastered across the internet prejudicing job interviews etc and a random anonymous baby photo against a generic background. What do all the worriers think might happen to a photo like that published without identity on a photographer's site that will in some way affect the baby in question? Where do you think the abuse will come from? Refusing the photographer permission in that context puts you in the bedwetter camp imo.
How many realise that they are posting without removing the data,does Nanna know what to/not to post? I do not know how to safely post pics so choose not to.
What data is that then?
The one telling you what it was taken on and the ISO?
Are we not in the era of GPS tagging,time,date?
How many realise that they are posting without removing the data
Well if it's facebook we are talking about all EXIF/META data is stripped automatically on upload. Yes, that includes GPS etc.
Are we not in the era of GPS tagging,time,date?
Only if you use a camera that tags it and really what is the concern there anyway. The software receiving the pic also has to be setup to store the data, not all are.
Thats a good thing,in the context that was given by the OP, I would probably allow the pics to be shown on the photographers site,they are only trying to promote their handywork and are complimenting your kids at the same time.To be fair,we dont all have the knowledge or time to keep up with the features of tech and therefore a lot of people shy away from it,or go for it,blissfully unaware.
You did the right thing.
The only people who want to see baby photos are people related to said baby, the rest of the Internet will go "oh FFS" and scroll on past to a picture of a rabbit with a pancake on its head.
(In seriousness, I'm not really seeing the problem. If you go out with them, dozens of complete strangers will see the kids and know exactly what they look like, what they're wearing, who they're with and where they are. The only difference with a photo is that they're not there any more.)
right, but we are living in a world in which facial recognition software and the vast aggregation of data are not just possible but integral to the operation of social media.
there's a limit to how many faces I (or a Stasi agent) can remember and for how long and what other data I can cross refer it to, but Facebook's ability is another kettle of fish.
So?
right, but we are living in a world in which facial recognition software and the vast aggregation of data are not just possible but integral to the operation of social media.there's a limit to how many faces I (or a Stasi agent) can remember and for how long and what other data I can cross refer it to, but Facebook's ability is another kettle of fish.
I refer you to my original question - [i]'What do all the worriers think might happen to a photo like that published without identity on a photographer's site that will in some way affect the baby in question? Where do you think the abuse will come from?'[/i]
Re facebook - yes friends can tag you in photos that you might not appreciate but it's dead simple to review and remove the tags, even from photos you were tagged in years ago. It's also incredibly easy to change your account privacy settings to prevent anyone ever tagging you if you felt so inclined.
Never know when Spectre might want to take a hit on your kids. Even worse when Cyberdine system 101 comes back he can just use Facebook now to stop your kid leading the resistance.
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There is a big difference between having a photo of yourself [...] ravishing some young strumpet
If anyone has a photo of me ravishing a young strumpet, please step forward. I have no recollection of the event, but I'm happy to have my memory jogged.
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used to be a photographer
>Presents picture with one subjects face obscured and blown highlights.
At least you cleaned the EXIF
sorry the wife's iPhone doesn't have the dynamic range of my old
FF canon sensor 🙁
I never stripped the exit out of my pics, that's Facebook for you
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How many realise that they are posting without removing the data,does Nanna know what to/not to post? I do not know how to safely post pics so choose not to.
not sure what people will do with the camera settings used to take the photo but yeah I'm sure there is some perv out there that tosses off to meta data
As my kids are now in their 20's it was never an issue, they joined social media on their own. Most of my friends with kids have pictures of their families on Facebook pretty much right from birth. Likewise those with grand kids
sorry poah, didn't mean to be too rude 🙂
EXIF is important though - if you are going to share pics of your kids, taken with a phone or other device with GPS, then you should be careful where they end up IMHO.
EXIF is important though - if you are going to share pics of your kids, taken with a phone or other device with GPS, then you should be careful where they end up IMHO
why?
'Cos you might not want people to know where you and they live / hang out?
Like the privacy zone on Strava*
*I don't actually use Strava, you couldn't handle it 😉
There is a lot of paranoia on this thread.
This is why kids don't go and ride bikes by themselves, play in the woods, go fishing etc.
Everyone seems to think the World is full of peado's. It's not. Nothing has changed since the 1970's when I was young.
When I was 8 I used to walk about a mile to the local swimming baths with my mates and go swimming. Nothing happened. Imagine suggesting that an 8 year old would be safe going to a swimming pool without an adult today?
Something has changed.... The dissemination of information.
Something has changed.... The dissemination of information.
So you think that social media has increased the frequency of child abuse? 🙄
As a Scout leader we sometimes have children who can't appear on photographs full stop, for various reasons, including legal ones sometimes. You just keep it in mind before taking pics. Obviously, you just need to be careful about taking photos, so the kids don't notice your singling anyone out. It's certainly not our place to question it.
I'm doing our display board at the moment, & each child has a little characature with their face on to mark their progress, but one or two are left blank. For Beavers, I try to get a mugshot, as (God forbid), if one ever gets lost on a trip out, we have a pic on hand for obvious reasons.
We use social media but only in a closed group with as leader as admin & everything locked down, so any posts get vetted before they appear. It can be a bit OTT but you have to respect people's wishes.
My children are on FB occasionally, but I'd be very concerned if an adult shared or tagged them specifically, especially at a young age.
As regards using pics for a web site, I'd probably not see it as s problem.
So you think that social media has increased the frequency of child abuse
No I didn't say that.
I said that the dissemination of information we now have with the internet
has changed since the 1970's
Because it has.
You will, however, note that a lot of child abuse is in some way connected to the internet.
'Cos you might not want people to know where you and they live / hang out?
oh god someone might see I went to the park with my kids.
I said that the dissemination of information we now have with the internethas changed since the 1970's
Because it has.
Your point is caller?
This thread is about the safety of children. Some people think that putting pictures of their children on the internet increases the risk of them being targeted for abuse. Maybe.
My point is that there is no real increase in risk to children than there was in the 60's, 70's, 80's etc. However, parents now wrap their kids up in cotton wool and do not allow them to do things by themselves.
FTFYYou will, however, note that [s]a lot of child abuse[/s]everything is in some way connected to the internet.
Why would you want to tell the world that you went to the park with your kids?
They're not. They're telling their friends and family what they have been up to.
Your point is caller?
Some people think that putting pictures of their children on the internet increases the risk of them being targeted for abuse. Maybe.
Feel free to continue to misquote me and answer your own questions if you wish.
oh god someone might see I went to the park with my kids.
Look, this is the point:
Some aspects of data relating to your personal life are best not put online if possible. IDGAF if you went to the park with your kids, and I doubt Gary Glitter is following your every move with EXIF Data.
However, spear phishing and other targeted data collection/social engineering techniques rely on using accumulation of data to generate trust through the regurgitation of this data in a way that fools the target into a trust escalation.
This is well known stuff, right? My point is just that through limiting the leaking of this data you [relatively] easily prevent this from happening or at least minimise the chances. Sensible precautions.
I didn't say the whole 2010+ world is full of kiddie fiddlers or any of that other stuff. I said that controlling the data, the access to the data [privacy settings etc] and the dissemination of images and other information that is easily and practicably done is a worthwhile and sensible approach.
Do you throw your credit card statements in the bin? Do you not shield your PIN? These are the sort of reasonable things of minimal effort that I am equating this to.
IMHO if you don't take reasonable steps to protect your privacy and that of your family online you're somewhat foolish.
Have you seen the number of people having CC misused, identity theft etc?
I'm not going to argue the point any more - this is my opinion; that's all.
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However, spear phishing and other targeted data collection/social engineering techniques rely on using accumulation of data to generate trust through the regurgitation of this data in a way that fools the target into a trust escalation.
So you put photos of your kids at the park, tagged with GPS EXIF data and the next thing you know, you are sending £100k to a Nigerian Prince?
OP,
I would not put anything online public or not to minimise another worry in life.
Your children so do as you see fit and if you are not comfortable then tell them you do not want them to be shown to the world.
Others will not see your children as dear as their own so you need to make that decision yourself.
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Haven't you got anything better to do today mate, go outside or something?