I've downloaded the whole Transport Policy now and found this bit...
10.2 We believe that there needs to be a better balance of rights and responsibilities for pedal cyclists, with too much aggressive abuse of red lights, pedestrian crossings and a lack of basic safety and road courtesy.
and
10.8 Cycling on safe cycle routes, lanes, tracks and trails should be actively encouraged, particularly as a leisure pursuit.
So it's the usual vague waffle about wanting to promote cycling, as long as we don't get in the way of their cars.
yunki - MemberI think I met a member of UKIP yesterday.. he looked like a slightly embittered and shell shocked ex-colonel type.. something in the way he conducted himself..
From "A Hard Day's Night" (ye olde anciente Beatles movie).
Crusty old major type on train, to Lennon & McCartney sitting opposite:
"I fought in the war for the likes of you!"
Lennon: "I bet you're sorry you won..."
LOLOLOL Woppitt... it was EXACTLY like that.. only I didn't quite manage Lennons cheeky scouse wit...
this guy wasn't quite so crusty either..
Excuse typos, here's the possibly contentious bits from that pdf:
10.6 UKIP would consult on the desirability of minimum third party liability insurance cover for cyclists - a simple annual flat rate registration 'Cycledisc', stuck to the bicycle frame, to cover damage to cars and others, which are currently unprotected. The Cycledisc should also carry clear identification details, which will help counter bicycle theft, and deter dangerous cyclist behaviour. We support provision of cycle parking at reasonable charges
I don't have *that* much of an issue with 3rd party insurance - and of this year I've got some with the CTC - but I've never hit anyone in 33 (?) yrs of cycling on the roads, so it's a bit pointless IMO.
And in any case, there's nothing to stop a driver suing you for damages - insurance just makes it easier to recoupe repair costs.
Sounds like the usual 'we've got to have insurance, so have you' rubbish you get from some drivers...at least they didn't suggest road tax !
10.8 Cycling on safe cycle routes, lanes, tracks and trails should be actively encouraged, particularly as a leisure pursuit. UKIP believes off road dedicated lanes are preferable to a confusing maze of cycle lanes on unsuitable or dangerous roads, which is problematic for cyclist as well as other road users.
Depends how you read it. Already some roads, whilst useable, are almost off-limits (A3 in surrey for example). Bit of bummer when they're the direct route they want to withdraw - which could be the other way of reading it. ('cycles as mode of transport shocker')
10.9 Local authorities should be given additional powers to enforce a 'cyclists dismount' or 'no cycling' regulation where there are safety concerns - such as busy roundabouts, junctions or bus lanes, or where the road would be too narrowed by cycle lanes and cause unacceptable delays to traffic.
Words fail me. Open to far too much interpretation/abuse IMO.
'Delays to traffic'...perhaps ban 50% of cars from the road then ? FFS...
there was one of them at my local Hustings last week, slightly mad starey eyed look about him. Was resolutely MOR with all his policies, apart from the anti immigration must leave the EU bollards, where he was trying very hard to stop blurting out "Send back the Darkies..."
Idiots.
The Cycledisc should also carry clear identification details, which will help counter bicycle theft, and deter dangerous cyclist behaviour.
an invasion of privacy unless it's just an opaque alphanumeric code, and ineffective unless it can be clearly read and remembered from 3 metres away and doesn't easily come off
This repeated focus on RLJing by those who make and enforce the laws is what makes me despair of democracy.
Not that I can come up with a better system.
[i]but why? they are so enraged by apples in kilos etc. [/i]
It's not the selling of things in metric units that's the issue, it's the banning of the selling of things in imperial units. In other words, freedom of choice. I know the metric system is a far more logical one, but I like the quirkiness of the imperial system.
but I like the quirkiness of the imperial system.
yeah, 4 gills to the pint (also 20 fluid ounces), 8 pints to the gallon, 9 gallons to the firkin, 2 firkins to the kilderkin, 9ish kilderkins to the butt (opinions vary) - all makes perfect sense :o)
Exactly. I'd rather know that there are 4 pecks in a bushel, than that there are 100 cm in a metre (though on that subject, could a lot of folk on here please note that it's "metre", not "meter").
And if I go into a sweetie shop for a poke of soor plooms (a Scottish delicacy, yumm), I want a quarter, not 100g.
I'd rather know that there are 4 pecks in a bushel
but how many bushels in a kilderkin ?? Oh and the liquid measures seem to vary in size depending if it's "ale" or "beer" - a distinction that escapes me 🙁
[i]a distinction that escapes me[/i]
It escapes me too, but I'll happily volunteer to look into the matter!
it's the banning of the selling of things in imperial units
err no it isn't.
All a trader has to do is say it's X per lb, Y per kg.
It' just these metic martyrs refuse to display the
metric equivilent that makes them fall foul of the law.
p.s. you can even buy a lb of something on the contient.
That's not the way I understand it. I thought the law changed so that shopkeepers can only display measurements in metric. Dual displays are banned. That's why there are so many complaints.
(though on that subject, could a lot of folk on here please note that it's "metre", not "meter")
no
it's mètre...
Dual displays are banned.
I take it that you don't do the shopping in your house then?
Either that or my local Tescos are shameless criminals..
The Cycledisc should also carry clear identification details, which will help counter bicycle theft, and deter dangerous cyclist behaviour.
Will they stick to carbon frames?
I didn't think anyone liked cyclists...
UKIP is a joke anyway.
I'm willing to admit I might be wrong on the dual display thing. That was just my understanding of it. Mind you, the Tesco store near us only has displays in metric. Same with all other supermarkets.
Oh, and as for the spelling of metre, in UK English it is just "metre".
Mind you, the Tesco store near us only has displays in metric. Same with all other supermarkets.
Aye well.. you sound pretty certain of that so I will have to concede... I could have sworn that things were still displayed in metric and imperial.. which maybe just goes to show that the change sinks into the subconcious and is understood and accepted quicker than I expected..
Even when supermarkets mark stuff in metric, they don't get it right.
I was looking at some flour once and couldn't work out why the shelf was marked 1kg 500g, yet there was only one price and one size bag on the shelf.
It took me a while to realise they were probably marked by someone more familiar with imperial measurements, and just as they wouldn't mark a shelf 1.5lb or 24oz, they would mark it 1lb 8oz, they had done the same with the metric weight.
1kg 500g = 1.5kg or 1500g. 🙄
[i]Aye well.. you sound pretty certain of that so I will have to concede[/i]
Having made that statement, I'll now have to go and check. Wouldn't be the first time I've posted something and been proved totally wrong!
That's not the way I understand it. I thought the law changed so that shopkeepers can only display measurements in metric. Dual displays are banned. That's why there are so many complaints.
Wrong.
Complaints are from idiots who refuse to say what something is in metric. They can still display the archaic units if they want (I'm 40 and have no idea how many ounces in a pint or whatever it is).
I remember last election Farage walking around a market in France and saying that there, they can use 'livre' for pound, and the EU stops us from using pounds. Err, well first it's not the EU that says metric measurements should be used, and second, I think he might find if he asks for un livre he'll get half a kilo.
(I'm 40 and have no idea how many ounces in a pint or whatever it is).
it's 20 🙂 So a gallon (8 pints) is 160oz = 10lb of water!
But pints in the US are different. And how many ounces in a pound? Oh I see, 16, not 20. But why? Oh wait I misread your calculation. I'm confused now. How many pounds in a stone, I have no clue.
I'm off for 330ml of beer. Or maybe 546ml if I can find one of the bigger bottles.
How many pounds in a stone, I have no clue.
14 allegedly 🙂 and 8 stone in a [b]hundred[/b](?)weight (abbrev [b]cwt[/b]) but actually 112 lb! And 20cwt in a ton, which is of course similar but different to a tonne...
oh and: "Before the 15th century in England, a hundredweight was a different unit equal to 108 lb." - still not 100 though, eh ?
[i]Complaints are from idiots who refuse to say what something is in metric. [/i]
But why should they be forced to? What happened to freedom of choice? It may well be they would lose business by only showing imperial measurements, but that should be their choice to do so.
And why does favouring one system over another make them "idiots"? I suspect the vast majority of them understand both systems, and you freely admit to not knowing even basic imperial measurements, yet you refer to them as the "idiots". I'm curious as to why? You can question their business logic I guess, but why the term "idiots"?