Leaf it alone Perchy! 🙂
It’ll be BEV’s as far as the eye can see in 5-10 years time.
Yeah, right up to the point the Gov starts taxing them.
Forgetting for a moment the extra energy that goes into to making them, even the best EV produces around 128g/km of CO2 to power it, it just produces it in a more tax efficient location.
Just because a type of vehicle is the cheapest thanks to taxation set to support it, it doesn't make it the 'greenest'.
The best car for the environment is an old one that's maintained to maximise the return on the energy and resources that went into making it.
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It’ll be BEV’s as far as the eye can see in 5-10 years time.Yeah, right up to the point the Gov starts taxing them.
Forgetting for a moment the extra energy that goes into to making them, even the best EV produces around 128g/km of CO2 to power it, it just produces it in a more tax efficient location.
Just because a type of vehicle is the cheapest thanks to taxation set to support it, it doesn’t make it the ‘greenest’.
The best car for the environment is an old one that’s maintained to maximise the return on the energy and resources that went into making it.
[/quuote]Well yeah, true, but the change away from diesel is due to local pollution innit?
not to mention the hole in the ozone layer I can only assume must get worse again as we up the greenhouse gases
Back to science lessons for you.
And neither petrol are diesel are green. They are just slightly more or less harmful in different ways.
even the best EV produces around 128g/km of CO2 to power it
I don't think that's true.
even the best EV produces around 128g/km of CO2 to power it
Only if you charge it with 100% fossil fuel generated electricty. And that certainly isn't the best, a Zoé is well under that even with 100% fossil fuel charging. If you want to work it out for a Zoé in real world use my Zoé has averaged 12.6kWh/100km over the last year.
In the UK something like a Leaf or Zoé is 60g/km and in France next to nothing as 70% of electricty produced is nuclear and most of the rest renewable.
Even in Germany with it's reliance on brown coal and high CO2 electricity the fraunhofer institute reckons that over their lifetime EVs produce less CO2 with the break even between 50 000 and 150 000kms depending on what type of ICE you compare with - and the fraunhofer institute is about as objective and hard on EVs as you'll find, no rose tinted specs.
Well yeah, true, but the change away from diesel is due to local pollution innit?
Yep, in the same way we shifted to ULSD "City Diesel" more than a decade ago or when we started using DPFs before that.
It's not unique to Diesel vehicles, but they do tend to leave their pollutants near the ground where people have to suffer them.
Every few years a new technology comes along to make them better, which is great, and then a few years later when someone in power sees that some vehicles (newer ones) produce a lot less of something nasty than others (older ones) they seek to ban the old ones - it's good for us, sort of, and it's good for the economy because we buy lots of new shiny vehicles that make best use of the current taxation rules to make them a few percent cheaper to own and run.
Ultimately though I don't think it's great for the environment, I really, really don't want to go back to the days when all buildings in cities were covered in black soot from diesel, but equally the more complex we make vehicles and the more we change the goal posts to make older vehicles less palatable the more frequently they're scraped to make room for new ones and it's the production of vehicles more than the running of them that uses energy and creates pollution, but as long as it's not where the buyer lives that okay yeah?
I do despair really, our solutions to the pollution caused by vehicles aren't working and nor will they, slightly cleaner petrols and diesels, to replace the ones we built 5-10 years ago, EVs that rely on strip mined lithium and pollution shifted down the road, public transport that's already at capacity and asking people who won't to cycle or walk are all just 'faster horses' aka the same, but better.
Really, we just need to give up the idea that we all need to be in the same place, at the same time to work, it doesn't work for everyone, no a surgeon can't replace a knee via skype and a builder can't put up a wall via e-mail, but a lot of people spend far too much money to live in the small number of places as close to where they work as possible, spend a huge mount of time and money to travel a relatively short distance in a scrum with everyone else to go and sit in front of a screen or talk on the phone with other people. If we didn't do that, we'd be free to spread out a lot more in the UK, and no, if you're living in a house share in London, you don't have room for a home-office, but if you didn't have to work in London, why not move to somewhere where you can live in a home of your own, where you have loads of space to enjoy your life, and when you want to go to the pub, shop, friends house, if the trains, buses and roads are quieter, you might not need or want a car, after all they're expensive to buy and run and driving hasn't been 'fun' for decades.
So, my 2p - in 10 years, it won't be EVs, or BEVS, or Diesel, or Petrol, or Hydrogen, or whatever else. In the same way E-Mail and direct dial international calling killed Concorde, 1000Mbps home broadband will kill the city, actually that's not true - it's already happenings, our clients are moving out of cities, the rents are too high and the infrastructure a nightmare, the younger guys coming through couldn't give a shit about input, tell someone in their 20s you get into work at 6am and don't leave till 7pm they won't think you're a grafter, they're wonder what goals your achieving and wondering if you're a bit simple if you need 13 hours to do 8 hours work.
even the best EV produces around 128g/km of CO2 to power it
I don’t think that’s true.
Mazda think so.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/future-tech/can-mazda-save-petrol-engine
Mazda have just started a new marketing campaign for their diesel SUVs in Australia, touting their environmental credentials. Until recently I don’t think Mazda imported diesel passenger vehicles here. I wouldn’t be so sure they’re ahead of the curve...
tell someone in their 20s you get into work at 6am and don’t leave till 7pm they won’t think you’re a grafter, they’re wonder what goals your achieving and wondering if you’re a bit simple if you need 13 hours to do 8 hours work
Thhiiiisisssssss is so true. I interviewed at a place but they weren't right for me simply because they were proud of working far beyond their contracted hours. Why? Work smarter, not harder.
I cant agree more with the concept of ditching the office and the 9 to 5 - I've had this discussion many times, I think businesses should limit meetings to one or 2 days of the week - if its outside of those allocated days you can't hold a meeting. Then everyone works at home or whatever for those remaining 3 days and the tube isn't hell the whole time.
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Thhiiiisisssssss is so true. I interviewed at a place but they weren’t right for me simply because they were proud of working far beyond their contracted hours. Why? Work smarter, not harder.
I cant agree more with the concept of ditching the office and the 9 to 5 – I’ve had this discussion many times, I think businesses should limit meetings to one or 2 days of the week – if its outside of those allocated days you can’t hold a meeting. Then everyone works at home or whatever for those remaining 3 days and the tube isn’t hell the whole time.
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It's the way things are heading, output not input. There's a lot more oversight available now, you don't have to watch the clock and hope your staff are doing the work, you can see it all in glorious HD.
In London, where we're working more and more, partly so people can work there less and less, a lot of our clients are leaving - admittedly they're in media so with the BBC moving to Salford and Ch4 moving somewhere, hopefully Cardiff they're following suit, but my old industry of Banking and Finance are shifting too quietly, admin / data process type roles left decades ago to places where labour was cheaper, but even the fancy roles are moving too - when the CEO of one of the big 4 banks is fed up with competing with the Russians to buy a house, things tend to happen.
Sadiq Khan has announced a £12.50-a-day “pollution tax” on older petrol and diesel vehicles driving within the North and South Circular roads
The expanded Ulez is predicted to reduce nitrous oxide gases by 28 per cent and result in 100,000 fewer Londoners living in areas with air that breaches legal limits. About half of nitrogen oxide emissions come from transport, while particulates are generated by diesel exhausts and tyre wear.
