New research doesn't strike a positive note for diesels future.
'Impossible-to-cheat' emissions tests show almost all new diesels still dirty
With the first city ban of diesels last month in Germany is it only a matter of time.
I am typing this from Lancaster in a historic square with an air pollution monitor due to the location exceeding air quality standards.
The public health issue must outweigh economics. If they don't ban them can they retune existing cars to be less powerful but cleaner?
I have nothing to worry about.
My diesel powered car has a big button in the middle of the dashboard like this....
It's very comforting.
It has a leaf on it and everything.
Mine has a little tank of piss which turns dirty exhaust emissions into fairies' farts.
If the test was made realistic, development work would be performed to enable the engines to pass. It might hinder how nice they felt to drive, particularly responsiveness, but that doesn't seem like an undue cost for better air quality around towns and cities and the associated health benefits.
Of course if the government had any sense they'd ban the lot from city centres except for disabled people and make everyone who could walk or cycle.
Of course if the government had any sense they’d ban the lot from city centres except for disabled people and make everyone who could walk or cycle.
Bang on.
If you're doing enough miles to warrant a diesel you should probably look at changing your lifestyle to do fewer miles. 💡
Like percy, im not worried either as my diesel has this logo on the side....
Mine doesn't have a leaf logo 🙁
We're about to buy another diesel. Oh well.
Being made to cycle? What about when it rains!?
If you’re doing enough miles to warrant a diesel you should probably look at changing your lifestyle to do fewer miles.
Yeah, but I bought my diesel [i]before[/i] they were THE DEVIL'S WORK and I can't really afford (well, I don't want) to change it.
Would my carbon footprint be worse scrapping my diesel and replacing it unnecessarily, or just continuing to use it for the few journeys I do make? (6-7K miles per annum) Eh ? which? tell me!
My diesel doesn't have any leafs on it, it's a manky old euro-3 tractor. I deal with the inner city pollution issue by not driving it in any inner cities, because they're bloody horrible to drive in.
I've got vague plans to replace it with a ridiculous petrol guzzler instead though so I can do 20mpg and be all eco
I have a big diesel 4x4 but don't worry as I have an eco button. When I press it a green eco sign comes up on my dashboard and fuel economy changes from 32.7mpg to about 32.7mpg. The polar bears must be pleased.
Where can i get a leaf sticker?
Hmm, best make it kittens and leaves to be safe, yes, that'll make it all OK.
When I press it
Oh, I've never pressed it.
My self-image prevents it.
Just bought a new van. It's diesel. Give me any other option.....
I’ll be losing the diesel in my household soon. Replaced with a petrol hybrid.
Hopefully this will will offset the 18mpg my other car gets around town. 😁
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Thanks - i'll get a new job, just like that 🙂
It's ok, mine has an Eco button too!
Give me any other option…..
https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/e-nv200.html
We have a 10 year old, 3.5 tonne motorhome with a 2.8 diesel engine - I'm not quite sure what's going to happen with that over the next 5 years but I suspect we'll be getting a trailer for the dog and using bikes to get into towns before much longer.
I also got rid of a 530D bmw recently for a 118i petrol. I get 3mpg better on a long journey, about the same round town. I realise there's stuff diesels emit that petrol engines don't but I'm surprised that there's no effective difference in real world mpg between the two cars.
Yeah, but I bought my diesel <em class="bbcode-em">before they were THE DEVIL’S WORK and I can’t really afford (well, I don’t want) to change it.
Diesels have always been the devil's work 😉
Eh? which? tell me!
Out of interest, was that the mileage you were doing when you got the car?
I only ask as that is way under the threshold for making a diesel financially viable over a petrol, long term.
Thanks – I'll get a new job, just like that
It's what I did, it's not for everyone. 🙂
waswaswas,you swapped a large,fast car, but with a diesel engine, for a small, slow one, with a petrol engine and you're surprised there's not much difference in fuel economy? (which actually demonstrates how good the diesel engines actually are!
(the elephant in the room is that what comes out the tail pipe of your car is more to do with how you drive it than what that car has for an engine. Most people could cut their tailpipe emissions, and particularly their NOx emissions by driving better (ie more smoothly)
Would my carbon footprint be worse scrapping my diesel and replacing it unnecessarily, or just continuing to use it for the few journeys I do make? (6-7K miles per annum) Eh ? which? tell me!
Your car already has low carbon emissions. This is about NOx emissions. Do keep up.
Out of interest, was that the mileage you were doing when you got the car?
I only ask as that is way under the threshold for making a diesel financially viable over a petrol, long term
I bought a diesel when only planning to do about 7k miles a year. The main reason for this was not the prices (many cars would have been cheaper) but that I wanted to be able to tow 3 tons across a field in winter. I think I could have bought a petrol 5l supercharged rangerover, but considered this a little wasteful as well as the fact I couldn't afford the circa £120k to buy one. So, sometimes the option simply isn't there to make a choice like that. This has now got quite old so I'll be buying another one the same. Guess what? No petrol, electrical or hybrid options that I'm aware of. Time for another diesel!
Waswas he said van .
Not people carrier with the seats removed.
Not many options at real sized vans yet
waswaswas,you swapped a large,fast car, but with a diesel engine, for a small, slow one, with a petrol engine and you’re surprised there’s not much difference in fuel economy? (which actually demonstrates how good the diesel engines actually are!
I agree, I think the argument against diesels is largely down to particulates and NOx which all the bolt on stuff in the world is only going to mitigate. A petrol engine that is using the same amount of fuel is probably a better bet - certainly for the local environment (despite maybe slightly higher CO2).
I only ask as that is way under the threshold for making a diesel financially viable over a petrol, long term.
Well that rather depends on the car and what was around at the time it was bought.
My car is a diesel, because no petrol models are offered in the UK and we hadn't found anything else that ticked our various boxes. My wife's car is a diesel (a naughty, test defeating one) because only a very small number of cars met the requirements we had on that car and the one that suited us most offered a single token petrol model that didn't really look like it was going to be useful. We didn't really choose diesel for either car, it is just what was on offer.
On other cars, there are that many diesels around that second hand prices often favour buying diesel.
We both have eco buttons, so nothing to worry about.
Makes no difference to me, my crusty old camper hasn't been allowed inside the M25 for years😕
Yeah tbh if they ban them from cities that wouldn't be a bad thing. Ban all cars/vans during the day says I
I also got rid of a 530D bmw recently for a 118i petrol. I get 3mpg better on a long journey, about the same round town. I realise there’s stuff diesels emit that petrol engines don’t but I’m surprised that there’s no effective difference in real world mpg between the two cars.
Surely there's a massive difference in terms of performance between those 2 cars? You're comparing apples and oranges. I bet there's a significant drop if you were to buy a 530i.
I would like to know, given that vehicle tax is based on emissions, and the whole dieselgate scandal has been going on 3 years now, why I'm still being taxed considerably more for my petrol vehicle, than most diesel vehicles?
It's not cars you want to ban from cities, its the cities you want to ban. Honestly, banning diesels, better public transport, congestion charges - it's all faster horses, 10 years from now we'll all wonder why we worked so hard to maintain the myth we all need to be in the same place at the same time to work.
In a year or two we'll all come to terms with the fact that the new Adblue diesels aren't that bad, and we'll no doubt discover that the smaller, turbo'd petrol engines aren't as good as we thought they were.
Personally I'm hoping to swap my 170bhp dirty diesel (it's one of the dodgy VW ones) for a 300bhp super duper clean petrol one, that'll sort it!
I got rid of my “dirty diesel” last year and replaced it with a petrol hybrid.
I look down on all you black sooted wildlife killers with distain.
*tuts
*sniffs clean fresh air
*jumps in the sea
tinybits: That's why I asked. 🙂
In a year or two we’ll all come to terms with the fact that the new Adblue diesels aren’t that bad
Only compared to older diesels. In absolute terms they're still rubbish.
I needed a large estate. My choice was diesel, bigger diesel or a super sports.petrol version. That is the core of the problem.
Confused I am.
Audi A2 Euro 4 Tdi. Does a genuine 60+ mpg. How can this be filthier than a Euro 5 or 6 car doing less mpg and burning more filthy deisel to start with?
Out of interest, was that the mileage you were doing when you got the car?
About 10K. But as I'm a cycle to work kind of bloke, mostly it was long journeys (though my old job was just 15 miles of mway when I did drive)
Audi A2 Euro 4 Tdi. Does a genuine 60+ mpg. How can this be filthier than a Euro 5 or 6 car doing less mpg and burning more filthy deisel to start with?
Because a Euro 6 car has superior emissions abatement technology.
Because a Euro 6 car has superior emissions abatement technology.
....and a button, with a picture of a leaf on it.
When we went through this with Petrol, it never died. In fact here it is making a resurgence.
I don't have a leaf button. I do have a statement, in capitals, to remind me how nice my car is for the bunnies. It says 'ECO'.
When we went through this with Petrol, it never died. In fact here it is making a resurgence.
As long as the desire for personal transportation exists it never will die.
What about an Alfa?
Surely there'd be a huge market for a retrofit diesel makerbeterer. Why has nobody come up with it yet??
I got rid of my “dirty diesel” last year and replaced it with a petrol hybrid.I look down on all you black sooted wildlife killers with distain.
You still own a car though. Brake dust particulate creating miscreant.