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those of us removed from the cities couldn't care less

And that's why we're all ****ed.


 
Posted : 25/10/2017 6:04 pm
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those of us removed from the cities couldn't care less

And that's why we're all ****.

Well not really. Not when you have places like Texas, California, China, India etc....one guy buying a piddly 3.2 diesel doesn't amount to much does it.


 
Posted : 25/10/2017 6:36 pm
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I know public transport is inadequate currently, you do not need to demonstrate that

Fair point, well made. 😕

This does highlight though the huge leap from funding roads to funding transport systems, companies and individuals moving from ownership (including every house built in the last 50 years, every supermarket and office having car spaces/garage/carpark), all our schools to stop having a car park at the entrance (so subliminally telling children cars are *the* way of getting to work) and finding a way on incentivising private investment into such transport and schemes....

It is *only* a few more buses - but that is huuuuge.


 
Posted : 25/10/2017 6:50 pm
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Can we not encourage buses please.

15yr old double decker vehicles too big for the road, pumping out soot and driven by sociapaths are not transport solutions.


 
Posted : 25/10/2017 7:14 pm
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15yr old double decker vehicles too big for the road, pumping out soot and driven by sociapaths are not transport solutions.

For now. How long before they're self driving and electric? 10 years? 20? Either way, it's coming.


 
Posted : 25/10/2017 7:25 pm
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What about electric or hyrdogen busses? They have those now.

Not when you have places like Texas, California, China, India etc....one guy buying a piddly 3.2 diesel doesn't amount to much does it.

That attitude is the problem in the USA just as it is here. The only difference is that fuel is cheaper there.


 
Posted : 25/10/2017 7:27 pm
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NON-ELECTRIC vehicles could be banned from Oxford city centre by 2035 in what is believed to be the world's first Zero Emissions Zone.

What about Zermatt? Been electric only, for decades! You know when you read worlds first or biggest it's usually wrong.


 
Posted : 25/10/2017 8:29 pm
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Not when you have places like Texas, California, China, India etc....one guy buying a piddly 3.2 diesel doesn't amount to much does it.

That attitude is the problem in the USA just as it is here. The only difference is that fuel is cheaper there.

Well no actually. While I'm sure that's a comforting platitude but you can no more stop global warming by chastising people for their attitudes than you can change China's human rights policy with a hashtag. A quick look at the projected growth of co2 output from developing countries shows that it'll outstrip any reduction made by the developed world.

Even if we take Deviant and his 3.0 tdi at an individual level it's incredibly difficult to work out whether it would have been greener for him to buy a new EV or to buy the old car. I think all we could really say is that because he's (I assume) a cyclist there's some chance he'll use it less than the many thousands of other people who probably would have bought it.


 
Posted : 25/10/2017 9:38 pm
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.. so what's your point jimjam? That we don't need to care because China?


 
Posted : 26/10/2017 11:20 am
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