....WTF?
Enough of the fairy stories please - heard this on ITV news.
Some old piece of manuscript - yet to be dated - makes reference to Jesus having a wife. It's not really big news as there are other references already. This one is maybe a bit older though.
By "fairy story" are you suggesting that the character called Jesus didn't exist?
He's been smoochin with everybody
Jesus had a bike too
I wonder if it was a christian ceremony.
Jesus had a bike too
SS 29er fatbike, IIRC
yep Mrs Christ to you
Christ had a wife, you say? Pfffft. Some scrawl on an ancient bit of parchment isn't proof of anything.
Oh, wait.....
Jesus had a wife?, If i was the son of God i would've flowered my seed far n' wide, who's going to tell you off?....you're the son of God for christs sake! (see what i did there?).
Nothing that new, if you look in the Gnostic texts plenty of suggestions that the later celebate priesthood might not be that acurate a reflection of the life of jesus.
If you do the dates born, disappears for decades and then reappears as a preacher.Do you really think he led a completely celebate life? or maybe he lived as his Jewish peers did for most of his life.
Just to clarify, i do think there was a bloke called jesus and he was a good story teller, i just don't believe he was the son of god or any of that crap.
As a 30-something year old Jew of the period, it would have been almost unthinkable for him [i]not[/i] to have been married but this doesn't fit with the accepted Christian theology.
he was on good terms with the sex workers of the period, purely platonic i'm sure
He certainly did. Sawed her in half and everything after the "water into wine" skit.
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For the time it would have been stranger to have been unmarried
the Holy blood and the Holy grail claims he was married
I think it is certainly possible as he was not the son of god so he probably did get married.
We will never know for certain though and frankly i dont care as the bible is still bobbins [ largely though the New testament is pretty good in general]
They have found Roman records that refer to a character called "Jesus", who was considered a trouble maker. I think there is little doubt that the person existed; it's quite a leap to go from a name in a manuscript to the son of a mythical god, though.
Oh, and as others have said: I think it would be more shocking if he wasn't married, given the culture he was brought up in.
Courtesy of Bikeradar, here's a link to the BBC website story:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19645273
The quote from Pastor Jim West is just marvellous:
"A statement on a papyrus fragment isn't proof of anything. It's nothing more than a statement 'in thin air', without substantial context."
PS the bible is the word of gaaaaaaaaaawd!
it's quite a leap to go from a name in a manuscript to the son of a mythical god, though.
Conspiracy theorists would find that pretty straightforward, nuff nonsense written about it
anyway, Peter took "Christianity" and remodelled it into some sort of scared-of-women roman religion thing.
Thought it was Saint Paul who was the mysoginist?
aye, maybe, `I knew it began with "P"
SS 29er fatbike, IIRC
epiphany surely?
job psalm 113 part 2--- dub version, mixed by prince jammy
They have found Roman records that refer to a character called "Jesus"
Isn't that a bit like saying we've found a 21st century manuscript saying there was a character called Dave?
Did Jesus have his own TV channel?
Yes, Paul took a little-known Jewish sect and turned it into a global brand that still pulls in the punters to this day.
Early Christian thinking was so varied & diverse that it needed to be 'standardised' to make it suitable to be the official religion of the Roman Empire. Some of the original message probably got lost during this process (? including the fact that Jesus was married).
Isn't that a bit like saying we've found a 21st century manuscript saying there was a character called Dave?
Pretty much. My memory may have altered things a little, but I found this:
[url= http://www.bandoli.no/historicalrecords.htm ]"Evidence"[/url]
Cougar Not really I think the poster means we have independent Roman records that suggest jesus was real[ ie the religion, had followers, was worshipped, died at the had of Pontius etc] rather than just someone called jesus once lived
Some of the criticisms seem a tad unfair tbh and the conclusion is just someone who has decided whatever the evidence
In view of the evidence the only honest conclusion is that the Gospel's Jesus never existed.
Pretty much most of the history of that time [ as much was oral tradition is just heresay] and the same goes for early British history such as king Arthur and druidhs in general etc.
Evidence for 200 years ago will not really be of sufficient standard for a court case but that alone does not mean it is also untrure
[url= http://www.sowhataboutjesus.com/existed.php ]same evidence different spin[/url]
That's why I put evidence in the quotation marks, as it doesn't really prove anything, it's just the type of information that I remember regarding the existence of a real character at the time. However, as you say, hearsay is pretty much all the evidence that exists: Couple that with a good game of Chinese whispers and you have the gospels.
[quote=Junkyard ] and the same goes for early British history such as king Arthur and druidhs in general etc.
Oi!
I think the poster means we have independent Roman records that suggest jesus was real
If that's true, it's way bigger news than whether he was married or not.
If that's true, it's way bigger news than whether he was married or not.
No it's not: Jesus was a very common name in that region at the time and, as I said, it's quite a leap to go from a trouble maker to the son of god. However, that link I posted suggests that a character referred to as "christ" was known to the Roman officials around the time Jesus was supposed have existed.
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Academics are reassessing how Jesus may have lived, after discovering an early text book in a school in Bermondsey.
Depicting Christ with heavy-framed glasses and a moustache similar to Hitler’s, the father of Christianity is also revealed to have borne a penis on his forehead ‘of generous proportion’.
[url= http://newsthump.com/2012/09/20/early-textbook-reveals-jesus-had-glasses-moustache-penis-on-forehead/#ixzz273JSZdWt ]More on the reverlations [/url]
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The biggest story ever in the history of the world and human kind and there is still no real provable evidence any of it actually happened and millions still believe it.
Amazing scam this christianity stuff. Seriously. If it actually happened we would have hard evidence a bit like everything else. Things that weren't made up that it is.
I heard he also drove around town on a Yamaha
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legend - MemberHoly chart and stuff
woooooooooooooahhhh
that is a kerazy coincidence..!!
God is going to be LIVID when he finds out.. this makes him look a right ****..
it's kind of normal though I think.. My son has the same birthday as his Uncle so I guess that sort of thing happens with gods and that too innit..
He was just a naughty boy.
I tend to treat folk who say they believe in God in a similar fashion to how i treat folk of a right wing persuasion, smile sweetly at them till i begin to formulate a cohesive argument then realise i don't want to appear nasty or upset them so i look at my imaginary watch on my left wrist exclaim - "God!..... Is that the time? - got to go" and walk away or just turn round and carry on as usual., Works great in the pub with drunken right-wingers as they just stand there for ages expecting you to turn back round - they're quite easy to confuse. I've never really met a God-believer in the pub though and i've not been to church since Primary 2 (1978) and decided it wasn't for me so i walked out and went home to sit on the doorstep till my mum came home from work, she didn't mind, "It's all bloody nonsense" as she told the headmaster the next day, and she still reminds me of my rebellious streak 34yrs later.......that's a lie bout church actually, i've been for weddings n' funerals but now't else and when i pop my clogs my body's signed over to medical science and they can have fun wi it.
Dear Leader treats all equally and fairly ... they are all maggots. Yes, maggots!
Yes, Dear Leader steps on them and squashes them like melons.
Follow the wisdoms of Dear Leader or else ...
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legend - Member
Given that it's widely accepted amongst the theists that Jesus wasn't actually born on 25/12/. does that mean we can similarly dismiss the rest of that pretty picture as tosh too?
I heard he also drove around town on a Yamaha
Didn't he also do a skid and hit a kid?
Just who was holding such information
and why take so long to make public !
Cougar - Member
Given that it's widely accepted amongst the theists that Jesus wasn't actually born on 25/12/. does that mean we can similarly dismiss the rest of that pretty picture as tosh too?
Do whatever you want bud, but surely that means you'll have to dismiss all the JC "facts"?
The Big Q-- would he have worn a helmet?
