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camping at the weekend at a downhill track we were (for the second time) serenaded by a rave over the fields.
Now I've been to raves (back in da day) and have heard most kinds of electronic music but this one is vexing me.
Last time it was clearly identifiable as speedcore, loads of bif, bif, bif, bif, bifbifbifbifbifbifbifbifbif, bif, bif, bif, bif etc
It was also about 150 bpm
this time was different, the bass lines weren't speedcore or harcore and it wasn't fast enough for gabber. There weren't the breakdowns or melody of Goa/psy-trance and it wasn't funky enough for Techno. Basically (at 5am as i lay awake wondering what the best way of killing crusties was) it was just a real tone generated kick, never off the 1/4 beat, no 'hoovers' but plenty of fairly evil sounding mid range tone and it was about 130 bpm. There may also have been a few distorted evil spoken bits over the top.
maybe it was just slower gabber than i'm used to but gabber isn't normally that evil
what is de rigeur for the speed hoovering crusty these days?
any ideas
and yes this question is a little tongue in cheek but it comes form a fair few hours lying awake in a tent
Sounds like it could be Dub Step to me..
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definately not a dub anything genre, no real bass line just a real nasty kick
actually it could have been a little faster, like 140bpm
speedcore and hardcore are fast - minimum 160bpm (gabber and terrorcore over 180). 140bpm is old-school trance speed - some Goa goes slightly slower. hard trance generally in the 145-155 ballpark.
the lack of hoovers and breakdowns suggest that it wasn't hard house (does anyone play proper hard house any more?). assuming that the speed was in fact at least 140bpm, what you're describing is remarkably reminiscent of Dutch Hardstyle. very popular in harder European clubs at the moment and often featuring "evil" vocals. either that, or some new industrial house sub-genre has emerged!
uplifting goan deathcore?
Jaycore? Lots of people in tight spandex all in one numbers? Defo Jaycore.
i'd got to hardstyle on yootoob and it's about the closest i've been so far.
it may have been a bit faster, i'm a bit crap at bpm that that early in the morning.
I'd like to hear a new industrial-house genre but Dave Clark kinda did that for a bit 5 or 6 years ago (also Dave Terrida?)
xxxc core?
so now we've got a ball park music wise, can anyone explain to me why despite NOT spending 8 hours on saturday night taking phet and most of sunday taking valium like i'm eating smarties, I feel somehow dirtied by being in close range of the event. 2 of us felt the same, kind of like we'd been there (if the weather had been better we might even have dropped in to visit, we got half way up the field then gave up). Was it because we both knew what state they'd be in (probably both been in similar states in our yoof)?
Everyone knows that skiffle'n'bass is where it's at.
I steered well clear of the industrial house scene in my youth and yootoobing Dave Tarrida has just vindicated my decision...
he used to be a straight up Industrial DJ but (so the story goes) my mad mate Alicia introduced hum to techno 😯
Dave Clarke played this track at a night in london once and it certainly sorted the real music appreciators from the 'lets go out and take pills' crowd
He opened with Front 242 though which to be honest let them know what was coming 😆
Probably 'doomcore' like the old German PCP/Cold Rush records style from around 1992/93, a few tracks still get made in this style though ya just can't imitate the old stuff 🙂
This thread is giving me terrifying ex-girlfriend flashbacks. 😕
This should help you with your genres:
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Easy when you know where to look!
thats handy tootall, but i cant seem to track gangstagrass?
is that not classified as electronic?
I have no idea what you were listening to, but having spent most of Saturday morning listening to not-very good minimal house in a seedy east London club I came to the conclusion that "it's a shame there aren't more tunes in it".
Ketamine is to blame I think, perhaps it's the same with the crusties?
furry marmot - When you say 'proper hard house' do you mean the really good stuff from the days of TdV at Trade etc which essentially was what it said on the tin, harder house music. I fell into harder house a few years after my musical awaking, 'The Gas Club' in Swiss Square, David Morales b2b with Frankie Knuckles, ah happy days.....
i'd put proper hard house like tidy tracks/lisa pinup kinda thing? Tony de-vit/fergie etc were slightly funkier as was lisa lashes.
hard[b]er[/b] house goes in the deep house genre 😆
mmw - It depends when you cut you hard house teeth as to which sort you'd consider 'proper' hard house. As I touched on, when hard house first became its own sub-genre it was exactly what the name suggested it was, harder house music. This was the music played by TdV, Paul Kershaw, Nick Rafferty, Ian M etc in now legendary hard house nights that I used to go to such as Trade and Sundissential. Retrospectively some would call that sort of hard house 'deep house', especially anyone hearing early stuff on the Trade label for the first time now, but thats because the hard house genre has changed so much. Through the bouncy goodness of 'the Tidy years' (the years in which Lashes etc became more well known) into the funky hard house years (remember all the 'Try Hards'?) and depressing techno 'hard dance' phase to where it is now, in clubs such as Storm, tip-toeing between the original hard house and the bouncy.
hmmm
I guess I always distinguished between what the like of lisa lashes played at the nights (days) like insomniacs and the harder house that matt hardwick (i think) played upstairs at crasher, that always used to spoil my buzz when i went to the bar to buy a bottle of water 🙂
god knows why hardcore is so popular, i had the chance to work at a couple of Hardcore til i die events this year. I didn't bother
tootalls link is genius by the way 😆
could be
i've got a bit of chris liebing stuff and it's just darkish techno to me 😀
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they have 2 or 3 raves a year on the hill next door, been twice in two years and hit a rave both times 😆
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To be honest, the whole rising tone stuff has had the arse ripped right out it in the last couple of years by just about every genre so it could have been anything!
Nice 1 noteeth...
brilliant witty thread btw.
Don't have Nightmares (on Wax) staying awake to shoddy sinister rave now!
Tangent!
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🙂
Teeth!
Am just away too "Moots-Moots any Mnt."
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Another "might-ride"...
i've got a bit of chris liebing stuff and it's just darkish techno to me
Yeah, he rocks! He's playing the next Atomic Jam in Brum next month!
As for the music you heard -
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What an absolutely enjoyable post - the best on STW for a while now, especially the link to Ishkur's Guide - havent seen that for about 6 years now, forgot how enjoyable a peruse that is!
Also frightening to think I may well have seen a few people from this very forum during my yoof at 'crasher (i completely forgot about the 'try hards' until you mentioned those words!) and occasionally storm/passion, and even less occasionally, cream, sundissential, gods kitchen, golden, planet zogg and gawd knows where else, I've somehow forgot those hazy days!
sorry i can't help with music choice though 😉
jt 😉
Bloody Hell. This thread brings back memories of dark and dingy clubs in a bygone era. Specifically the Kandi club in Bristol back in the early nineties playing dark-electro, industrial. Loved Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, The Young Gods, My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult, Die Krupps. Then at the end of the night it was off to Mickey Finns.
franki
damn it, not been to a jam for years and that one is the week after my birthday, that weekend we've booked a hotel in the peaks 🙁
I could probably work on it as well as the sound system is the same as HTID
damn
and last year 'I love techno' in Gent was on my 30th and i had to do family stuff
god is conspiring to make me act my (ever increasing) age 👿
deluded - Did you ever go to 'Keranga' (sp?) in Bath? That was proper dingy! mmw - I used to love Insomniaz, either after Sundissential , round the corner at Code in Digbeth, Brum or jump in the car and drive to that car park in Shuff with the dodgy club underneath it.
and as i was trawling youtube i came across this gem about speecore 'you dance to this music by having a fit, or possibly several fits at the same time' 😆
jim - only ever went to insomniacs after crasher in sheffield, at the corporation. dodgiest club i'd ever been in.
used to go something like this:
6am - crasher carpark, 'something' to help relax
6.30am - sheffield bus station, discuss crashing out for first train with all the other casualties
6.31am - decide to got to isomniacs
6.45am - regret going to insomniacs as you sat on the sticky floor or leant against the dripping wet walls wondering why your redbull tasted funny and there was a 6'2" tranny with a rubber ponytail dancing with a 16 year old girl in loon boots and a bikini.
6.50am - purchase counter measures from 8ft wide Polish bouncers
7.10am - all good again on the trance floor with my mate Jason on the decks
8am - go for a wonder and accidentaly end up in the funny purple back room with the domed roof and UV lights (all you could see was teeth)
12pm - decide that stopping now would be silly and head to Area51 where we'd last about 2 hours before our bodies just gave up and we'd get the train/crash in some randoms house
i've no idea how people do that after the age of 20 and still gunction as passable human beings!
the good thing was the complete lack of beer boys though.
sootyandjim,
I never went to the Keranga evenings but my mate Brett did I bit of DJ'n there. Meant to be good. When all that was going on I was up in London and missed out by the sounds of it.
Aye, the lack of beer boys was always a bonus at Insomz (and most other HH clubs). I ended up at a house party somewhere to the west of Shuff after Insomz once upon a time and apparently for some reason (must have been something I ate) I spent about 2 hours dancing in a corner 'stuck' behind a coffee table I couldn't work out how to get out from behind. Damn glass table, had some sort of dust on it too......
ah i had friends get 'stuck' under tables at bugged out for similar reasons. never fancied getting stuck in a [i]hole[/i] myself so left them too it.
Oh I wasn't in a hole, I never got that bad. Deluded - What London clubs did you go to? Clockwork Orange, Peach, Malibu Stacey, Gas Club?
sootyandjim,
Ministry, The Cross, Hanover Grand, a venue on Clapham High Street and another dive in Shoreditch that I can't remember.
Zero Gravity, Institute of Goa & Nuclear Free Zone.
Happy days 😀