[Closed] Coup.

Sat in thessaloniki currently feeling very glad we booked direct flights rather than same as previous via Istanbul!

kimbers - Member

2nd largest army in NATO after the USA

One of the ways you appease a military with a long history of staging coup d'etats is to give them everything they want. It's a dangerous strategy though.

Another strategy is to make them very weak by denying them special status and cutting their budgets, which is a strategy employed in recent times by Argentine civilian governments.

I'll bet Liam Fox had them near the top of the list for his first trade visit
At least he's still got his Sri Lankan contacts though

how did no one get wind of such a huge operation ! Note to next turkish president make sure your spies are upto the job !

oops

Newspaper Hurriyet

[url= http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/group-in-military-attempted-uprising-turkish-pm-says-top-general-may-be-held-hostage.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101669&NewsCatID=341 ]UPDATE: Erdo?an is expected to make a statement[/url]

seems to be back up in a very limited form.

nope back to service unavailable 😯

Decent feed here;
https://www.reddit.com/live/x9gf3donjlkq

Erdogen has fled the country in his private jet apparently

flightradar24, lots of air traffic circling around istanbul

@kimbers it must be more than £50m a year, we do that with Israel. Saudi is $4bn I believe

that news paper site is up and down like a yoyo but the front page came up for a few moments and in the most popular items to the right 2nd item was "Six major problems ahead of Turkey in 2016", coup d'etat wasnt on the list 😯

Klunk 🙂

Ramc I don't see too much circling and all airports are shut. Imwouod think with F16's airborne commercial traffic would get the F out of there. Have many friends due fo fly home from Antalya tomorrow

Edit: just watching two flights landing at Antalya. [s]Nothing at Istanbul[/s] Landing at Istanbull too, nothing taking off

So who is leading this - kemalists or fundamentalists?

Crappers, we're meant to transit through Istanbul Ataturk next week! I really, really hope this doesn't end in bloodshed.

Yeah, I've got friends in Calcan currently. 🙁

I don't think there's many fundamentalists in the Turkish army.

Jeez, didn't know Facebook Live could do this!

Erdogan in airplane, refused landing at #Istanbul, now trying to seek asylum in Germany, US defense officials say,

Erdogan signed this 2 days ago.

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/turkey/240620161

[i]The law was passed late on Thursday and will make it significantly more difficult for alleged rights abuses to be properly investigated. Furthermore the permission of the military and political leadership of Turkey will be needed before any soldier can face prosecution.

Critics have said this undermines civilian oversight over the military.[/i]

Jeez, didn't know Facebook [s]Live[/s] could do this

@lazy there are plenty of things we don't know facebook can do 😐

this could turn very nasty, lots of people coming out on the streets going by that facebook live page!

@ernie general view is that the Army is more secular and democratic than Erdogen

Nothing like a bit of confidence!

I did have to laugh at the very confident statements that he was 100% definitely still in control of the country... being delivered over FaceTime

And they said history had finished with the end of the cold war....

Watching FB Live is crazy! Reports of an explosion in Ankarra now.

Bye Dictator

Looting has begun allegedly, chaos.

EU minister has said Turkish soldiers should disobey orders. So there you have it, EU intervenes and job done 😀

Erdogan has told his supporters to come on the streets and resist.

He is popular, could be very bloody

EU minister has said Turkish soldiers should disobey orders. So there you have it, EU intervenes and job done

Wow! That's low, even for you. Nice time to try and make political gain 🙄

jambalaya - Member

@ernie general view is that the Army is more secular and democratic than Erdogen

I'm not sure why you're telling me that - have I claimed that Erdogan is a great secular democrat?

We will have to wait and see how committed to democracy the new junta is though, if they succeed of course.

Bill oddies everywhere apparently. Rozzers outgunned. Footage of Heli gunships have opening up. Navy clearing the ports. Not looking great for Erdo.

"A change in power there would have global ramifications."

mental , just seen a boy on my facebook talking about jets flying by his windows, asking what the hells happning, that was an hour or so ago, so i guess some communications may be down now. why i popped on here and turned the news on. hope this doesn't amount to too much, talk of bombs and gunfire though on the news.

This is the movement thought b to be behind the coup

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/09/turkish-police-fethullah-gulen-network

Moderate anti corruption cleric. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_Gülen

No he WAS popular post-before he stayed on in power and became less moderate. Welcome to state TV and EU idiot thinking. Anyone with brains will know how controlled state media was.

Sadly now it might be bloody still

It's alright, he's found a bottle of drambuie! 😆

This isn't going to end well. Reports of demonstrations and mosques asking for people to protest on the streets.
Only going to take one nervous person with a gun and it's going to go south in a hurry

Wow! That's low, even for you. Nice time to try and make political gain

Just pointing out the obvious, namely that EU are total f-whits. None of the real leaders of Europe have made any such idiotic statements have they ? Why is the EU even making a comment, answer they think theynare a state and the body that speaks for all of Europe

@kimbers yes shooting has started. Very messy

This is the movement thought b to be behind the coup

Sky have said thats blatant propaganda from Erdogan

Mosques asking people to take to the streets in support of erdogan.

None of the real leaders of Europe have made any such idiotic statements have they ?

Who are the real leaders of Europe and who's made an idiotic statement?

Gunfire in Istanbul - Sky News

I knew i should have stocked up on Turkish delight. Going to be a shortage now

Nice. A nation is descending into chaos and inevitable bloodshed, yet the Usual Suspects* are on here joking about it as though it's just a game.

*Jambalaya (surprise surprise), Ninfan etc.

Isn't it so good that we live in such a safe, well-protected society, where such a thing would never happen?

The West is tearing itself apart. This is only the beginning.

The West is tearing itself apart. This is only the beginning.

What does that mean?

Nothing. It's complete nonsense. Usual clodhopper dogshit.

Just watching flighttracker and there's a flight from Berlin still heading into Istanbul

hora - Member
No he WAS popular post-before he stayed on in power and became less moderate.

A Dr I work with was back there visiting family recently
According to him
Erdogan's immensely popular with some, especially the working class, economy is doing very well, low unemployment.
The middle class resent the corruption, media restrictions, religious rise etc
but the infrastructure improvements in Turkey have been huge, erdogan may have stolen power but hes overseen a huge boom time. New Power stations, roads, water etc all across the country
It was in the context of Johnson and Gove using Turkish criminal immigrants a a scare tactic in the EU debate, many turks found this very offensive as it was well publicised there and many felt they were doing well outside the EU, why leave a country with 5‰ growth and come here.!
Tbh I see this more related to the destabilising crisis in Syri, Iraq etc there's been a string of bombings in Turkey Erdogan has had no answer to this

I'm sure you know better tho