Here's a thought: Perhaps the Singletrackworld web designers could add a symbol like a bomb to a thread when it degenerates into a theist vs atheist debate.
SlackAlice, please read my posts above, I argued that our current system of (secular) morality came from a historical development which started with theism, especially Christianity.
Anyhow, good night all 8)
DrJ - Member
badnewz has added himself to chewy and jamba in my Chrome ignore list.
Crikey, that serious eh! 😯
Are we the naughty boys now DrJ?
At least Junkyard plays with us ...
It works fine but I come across your BS on my phone.
FFS! Are you so busy as Dr (not sure what sort Dr you are) that you now need to read on your phone? Can't you just wait rather than reading your hand held computer? 🙄
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badnewz - Member
I get plenty wrong. I use this forum to test ideas/concepts in the battle of debate. I suppose the anonymity makes me more forthright than I would be in face-to-face conversations.
You are brave to test ideas/concepts ...
I use this forum to tell them they are wrong while I am right! 😆
I am no different in reality coz I would still tell them they are wrong and perhaps even more wrong or wrong-er! 😛
I argued that our current system of (secular) morality came from a historical development which started with theism, especially Christianity.
but the paleo-archaeological evidence demonstrates that you're wrong...again.
"What a load of shit" as Nan Tate would say, sexual advances on women dresed up and blamed on religion, imigrants, womens dress, colour of the perpetrators etc.
It happened because there where not enough police intrested or staffed to take any action.
They sexually assaulted a female officer.
It happened because they were horrible ****s.
I very rarely find my self in the presence of the police, sometimes drunk and in the company of lightly clothed women.
And I never groped any of them. But in future if I do I shall blame the lack of a police presence.
Chip, thank you, I was not going to get involved in this one but couldn't resist .
You have just saved me from writing a very long winded post that I would have edited over and over again.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
well it started way before that god but i assume you only count that bit as atheists dont have moralsI argued that our current system of (secular) morality came from a historical development which started with theism, especially Christianity.
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Not a Gendarme in sight, no women being assaulted or raped, more lightly dressed would be difficult (and require walking to the next beach).
Edit: and given it's Hendaye I suspect almost everyone there is atheist, agnostic or if they consider themselves religious don't practice beyond Christmas mass or the Mosque for family events.
I argued that our current system of (secular) morality came from a historical development which started with theism, especially Christianity.
So how did the Neanderthals manage to develop their morality?
Jesus' great great grandad iirc.
A quick poem............
Odour Cologne
Long and hard they labour
and far and wide they roam
for freedom in a new home,
so they can express ardour
at the New Year in Cologne.
The German politicians are blaming the police for not controlling the situation.
The German police union is saying that the politicians allowed all these folk into Germany unchecked, and that the politicians ran the police numbers down so much that come this major public disorder the police were unable to field enough numbers to deal with the disorder.
I think the German police union are telling the truth.
billyboy - MemberThe German police union is saying that the politicians allowed all these folk into Germany unchecked, and that the politicians ran the police numbers down so much that come this major public disorder the police were unable to field enough numbers to deal with the disorder.
Maybe so but when the police decided to announce that it was a quiet night with no major bother, that wasn't because of either of those things. Something's wrong there. And the suggestion that it's all political correctness and they're afraid to suggest foreigners did these things seems to be bollocks too since that doesn't stop them handling and reporting waltzing attacks etc.
This could well finish Merkel. It was not long ago she was peerless but the tensions over the asylum seekers was quite intense even before NYE. In a poll late last year less than 50% of Germans wanted her to stand again for Chancellor.
The deliberate lack of TV coverage by the major German networks for days afterwards is incredibly shocking.
Strengthens Trump's argument though that Something Must Be Done.
Maybe he's right?
Not allowing in 1.1m totally un-vetted people from a war zone is probably a good start
jambalaya - Member
This could well finish Merkel.
That woman might be politically wise but socially a stoopid woman. Yes, a stoopid woman with no realisation of her action that impacts on others. She might have done herself good but to the unfortunate who have to live a life in the society that is entirely different story.
If the people continue to keep her by voting her in again then they are stoopid-der ... 😯
oldnpastit - Member
Strengthens Trump's argument though that Something Must Be Done.
Maybe he's right?
Trump merely says things that are obvious need dealing with while others simply refused to acknowledge because of their political career.
I do not think he is that careless to be seen as wrong. 🙂
I vote for him even with that hairstyle.
Strengthens Trump's argument though that Something Must Be Done.Maybe he's right?
Oh dear.
German politicians trying to talk tough on deporting the attackers but the truth is they are screwed by the German constitution and Geneva convention. Its quite likley they cannot deport any Syrian at all no matter how serious the crime, where would they send them ? Anyone convicted of groping cannot be deported unless they receive a prison sentence of 1 or even 3 years (confusion in Germany about the period). Human rights asylum (ambulance) chasing lawyers will be having a field day.
Its anarchy, you can turn up illegally in Germany have arrived without travel autheorisation rewuired when entering the EU, commit a crime and there be no way of deporting you
[url= http://www.dw.com/en/how-easy-is-it-to-deport-refugees-out-of-germany/a-18966170 ]dw.com Deporting asylum seekers[/url]
It was not long ago she was peerless but the tensions over the asylum seekers was quite intense even before NYE. In a poll late last year less than 50% of Germans wanted her to stand again for Chancellor.
I was drinking in a hotel lobby in Lisbon when Merkle made the decision to let the migrants in. A bunch of Germans came in and I raised the subject (in a diplomatic way naturally as there were more of them). They said overall Germans liked her and saw her as a safe pair of hands. There is also the fact that Germans value continuity very highly.
There was also public support for keeping the borders open, as some kind of national absolution for the holocaust, which tortures some of the older Germans still.
Eastern Europe, by contrast, isn't having any of this. I think the Eastern European leaders are going to club together and effectively sabotage Europe's freedom of movement policy. The EU which Merkel tried to create will collapse and so will her career.
[quote=oldnpastit ]Strengthens Trump's argument though that Something Must Be Done.
Maybe he's right?
Trumps argument is not that something has to be done - no one is suggesting inaction - its that the somethign is to ban muslims from emigrating to the USA.
I am not sure of an easier radicalist recruitment toll than a racist US policy towards Muslims. He is wrong
Jesus Jamby more tabloid style nonsense from you You really could be a DM headline/column writer.
They sexually assaulted a female officer.It happened because they were horrible ****.
I very rarely find my self in the presence of the police, sometimes drunk and in the company of lightly clothed women.
And I never groped any of them. But in future if I do I shall blame the lack of a police presence.
This!
It's amazing how often people have spread these kind of fear-mongering 'end of our civilisation' stories throughout modern history, yet here we all are, by and large getting along fine. I'm not pretending there are no issues at all but some of the doom-mongering is ludicrous. It's like people are getting off on it in some weird way.
Bit like how people used to talk about the Jews and Jewish immigration really innit jambalaya? They're 'other', they don't fit in to our society, they don't share our values, they keep to themselves, etc etc
Strengthens Trump's argument though that Something Must Be Done.Maybe he's right?
Something, sure. Just not that!
its true that we used to ban the jews from our country...great happy days they were for which this nation can be proud.
Cromwell let them pay their way back in thereby allowing us to pander to good old stereotypes eh
Junkyard - lazarusits true that we used to ban the jews from our country...great happy days they were for which this nation can be proud.
Cromwell let them pay their way back in thereby allowing us to pander to good old stereotypes eh
Jews have been here since Henry VIII so what bat shite are you talking about? Everyone has to pay in those days but some just have to pay more than the others. What? You want fairness? Off with your head! (in those days). You want privileges then pay? What's so different nowadays? Waiting for hand outs? Do you think that's free? Someone still got to pay for you to get it free ... 🙄
grum - MemberIt's amazing how often people have spread these kind of fear-mongering 'end of our civilisation' stories throughout modern history, yet here we all are, by and large getting along fine. I'm not pretending there are no issues at all but some of the doom-mongering is ludicrous. It's like people are getting off on it in some weird way.
As usual a raise concern is a fear-mongering ... ya right ... you think civilization will collapse if we don't let them in? Or do you think your dear multi-culturalism will vanish over night?
Doom-mongering? You mean there should be no system of law to let everyone in because there is a war or fear of prosecution? There are many people facing this everyday all over the world why not let all in?
Queue up be processed rather than jump the queue like a pack of animals.
Question is why are this lot running while there are still those who stay behind with children and family ...
edit: I would let those families with children in (the ones who decide to stay due to dignity i.e. the ones showed on telly last night's BBC news), rather than these bunch of young men in any day.
badnewz - Member
It was not long ago she was peerless but the tensions over the asylum seekers was quite intense even before NYE. In a poll late last year less than 50% of Germans wanted her to stand again for Chancellor.
Good she should go ...
I was drinking in a hotel lobby in Lisbon when Merkle made the decision to let the migrants in. A bunch of Germans came in and I raised the subject (in a diplomatic way naturally as there were more of them). They said overall Germans liked her and saw her as a safe pair of hands. There is also the fact that Germans value continuity very highly.
Of course they like here because she can bully her way in EU and they know they are the one pulling the purse string.
There was also public support for keeping the borders open, as some kind of national absolution for the holocaust, which tortures some of the older Germans still.
Yes, the can stay guilty forever if they wish but their guilt should not be imposed on others ...
Chewkw....at last some sense! If someone knocks on your front door, you dont just let them in do you?? The same should apply for our borders. Get processed and then rebuild your life. If i was being shelled, i'd be glad to be safe and anything after that is a bonus.
Here's a question though, do we REALLY have an accepted multicultural society here in the UK?
Ferris-Beuller - Member
Here's a question though, do we REALLY have an accepted multicultural society here in the UK?
It's the inevitable consequences of the world, going by the PC nature, but to insert a big chunk of another society into another is like blood poisoning innit. You get the sudden shock of septicaemia ... 😯
Chewkw....at last some sense!
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Now that really did make me chuckle!!
grum - Member
Chewkw....at last some sense!
Now that really did make me chuckle!!
Glad that I have made people chuckle ... 😆
Collapse of civilization? That's a load of bat shite too innit!
... the Mongols are still around as are the Romans and the Mesopotamian and the etc ... 😛
chewkw claims to be an immigrant and sense from them is about as likely as good grammar from me.
Junkyard - lazarus
chewkw claims to be an immigrant and sense from them is about as likely as good grammar from me.
Glad I have made you chuckle too!
Economic immigrant who has been processed by the system (I have good ZM bureaucratic skill sets) to be precise.
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May be a repost but interesting reading.
DrJ, if you are reading this on your phone best turn away
Cologne Police have confirmed 18 of 31 suspects arrested are asylum seekers. Suspects where found with notes with the Arabic - German translations of the following choice phrases;
Nice breasts
I'd like to have sex with you
I'll kill you
Politicians keen to blame someone have forced the head of Cologne police to take early retirement.
They sacked him for editing a report to remove references to immigrants.
Junkyard
Trumps argument is not that something has to be done - no one is suggesting inaction - its that the somethign is to ban muslims from emigrating to the USA.
It is worse than even that. Trump would prevent families of Americans from coming across for a holiday if they were muslims.
What if during President Trumps leadership, former President Barak Obama fell gravely ill. His muslim family in Kenya from his paternal side would be banned from coming to see him.
Report on TF1 about Madaya in Syria where 40 000 are blocked in the town and starving to death (with enough footage of emaciated inhabitants to be credible) because Bachar won't send food despite a cease fire.
I can't blame Syrians for fleeing, and when a million flee a war zone it's no surprise when there are some dangerously nasty types among them. I know it's illegal, never going to happen etc. but expulsion as real possibility for any crime that merits a custodial sentence is perhaps the only threat they'd understand.
The guy who was shot yesterday in Paris was already banned from French soil following a conviction and France has been banned from transferring prisoners from Magreb who are not French nationals back to where they came from by the European court.
athgray - Member
Junkyard
Trumps argument is not that something has to be done - no one is suggesting inaction - its that the somethign is to ban muslims from emigrating to the USA.
Is that new or news? In China they used to require their citizen to have permits before traveling between different regions ...
It is worse than even that. Trump would prevent families of Americans from coming across for a holiday if they were muslims.
Really? Is that new too? Our Muslamic govt banned all people from visiting their ancestral mother/fatherland of China and would face prosecution or kick out of the country if they visit ... plenty never seen their dead relatives etc.
What if during President Trumps leadership, former President Barak Obama fell gravely ill. His muslim family in Kenya from his paternal side would be banned from coming to see him.
That is a what if scenario so not really big deal and he should consider himself lucky he is not from Israel coz people from my region are banned (still is) from visiting Israel ... in their passport Israel is prohibited.
Ya right ...
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Kin muslims..fruitcakes.
Trumps argument is not that something has to be done - no one is suggesting inaction - its that the somethign is to ban muslims from emigrating to the USA.
Thats simply not true - Trump made it clear multiple times that he was proposing a [u]temporary[/u] ban while they assessed what to do, or as he put it "until our countries representatives can figure out what the hell is going on"
ninfan
Trumps 'temporary' is the length of time it will takes him to "figure out what is going"!
Very vague and no mention of strategy to acheive this. Could be a while I think
Chewk
China requiring citizens to get permits for travel between regions is not the same as a blanket ban on muslim travel. It is far easier to decide who is a Chinese citizen over who is a muslim.
Could be a while I think
see, pure speculation
athgray - Member
Chewk
China requiring citizens to get permits for travel between regions is not the same as a blanket ban on muslim travel. It is far easier to decide who is a Chinese citizen over who is a muslim.
You do know there are many Chinese Muslamic population in China don't you? Still is today ...
I assume you also know that Islam spread to S.E.Asia by the Chinese don't you?
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Well done chewk, you got the rise.
That woman might be politically wise but socially a stoopid woman.
Why do you feel the need to bring gender into it? You could have left it as her being socially stoopid [sic] but no, it's because she's a woman as well.
chewkYou do know there are many Chinese Muslamic population in China don't you? Still is today ...
I assume you also know that Islam spread to S.E.Asia by the Chinese don't you?
Do you not mean Islamic population?
Yes I am aware of China's significant muslim population. Every country in the world has at least a muslim minority population, however you are missing my point.
It is possible to place restrictions on travel by citizenship, quite another to place restrictions by religion.
ok ninfan, I might speculate on the duration of the ban. Can you speculate on how to enforce the ban?
