It's not shocking that they are doing come but it's a bit exciting that there might be a monumental scandal about to break.
but it’s a bit exciting that there might be a monumental scandal about to break.
would any of them be daft enough to bring their stuff in now? I know they are dimwits but that dim?
We have known for a long time about the bullingdon boys and their coke use but has anything ever been done about it?
I suspect there is enough of it on all sides that there is a tacit pact to keep quiet
I think the last cocaine/politician scandal involved Keith Vaz, so no, it doesn't appear to be an issue strictly divided on party lines.
I might be all for decriminalising class A drugs and have nothing against an MP from any party frankly having a toke of skunk in the Westminster bogs, but if anyone involved in our legislature is in such dire need of a toot of the old marching powder that they'd do it at work then they're asking to be a security risk.
I think the last cocaine/politician scandal involved Keith Vaz, so no, it doesn’t appear to be an issue strictly divided on party lines.
Indeed, the fraud/hookers/drugs trifecta. At least when Profumo was caught, he devoted the rest of his working life to helping charity.
Ta for that Ernie - I knew there was a labour guy but couldn't remeber
I am in favour of decriminalising / treating as a health issue on most drugs but cocaine is one I wouldn't.
All that over heated activity in the city of london a decade or two ago was largely cocaine induced frenzies
It's not just about use in the workplace. Those staff may be open to coercion by their dealers, and anyone more serious up the chain (eg. Criminals, terrorists)
Question (I know very little about these things):
When police do a drugs bust - is these 'police on camera' TV shows are to be believed - they turn up mob-handed, stove the doors in and go "surprise" in the hope of catching them red-handed / white-nosed.
Here we have "police are about to investigate"? About to? How long is that going to take? Even if Westminster is the coke capital of Europe surely they'll have had time to make it squeaky-clean by the time anyone gets around to turning up with dogs? Remember when Ofsted used to visit your school and it was totally absolutely a perfectly normal school day?
Is there anything to stop them turning up with drugs dogs rather than explosives dogs one day and just not telling anyone?
The time my wife and I got raided it was a total surprise. They pulled me over on the way to football training and made me get in the back of their car, drove me home. Searched the house, quickly worked out they were in the wrong house, apologised for getting the wrong house and told me to tell anyone that asked that there was an escaped convict with my name and it had been a mistake (there's about three people in the entire internet with my name!)
A week later to the minute they came back with guns and dogs and raided the next door neighbour... who had obviously hidden all of his nasty druggage.
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It’s not shocking that they are doing come
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Introduce regular random drug testing for MPs...
I think the last cocaine/politician scandal involved Keith Vaz
Keith Vaz is almost an anagram of Hi Viz Ket
Makes you think ….
Did Vaz get done?
Is there anything to stop them turning up with drugs dogs rather than explosives dogs one day and just not telling anyone?
I would imagine the the political fallout of the cops finding a load of contraband would probably be too embarrassing for everyone involved, so while I don't think there's anything to stop them, there's every incentive not to try either.
When I got hard-stopped on the M62 they thought I was a drug dealer, the two phones (work and personnel) and the cheap suit didn't help either, thank goodness they didn't search me and find the envelope of £800.00 that I had on me, as I'd just sold a bike...
The time my wife and I got raided it was a total surprise.
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Although the time a uni course colleague was pulled in mid-wales, where police had information of a scouser in a red astra van dealing, and late on a Sunday night pulled Degsy in his rusty red Vauxhall van was a similar experience.
Question (I know very little about these things):
When police do a drugs bust – is these ‘police on camera’ TV shows are to be believed – they turn up mob-handed, stove the doors in and go “surprise” in the hope of catching them red-handed / white-nosed.
My impression is a lot of this is reactive - reacting to complaints. So the low level dealer / user on the sink estate that has loads of neds turning up at his door day and night gets complained about and thus gets busted but the middle class dealer does not generate complaints in the same way so does not get busted.
there is also a tacit police policy not to go after users 'cos if they did thats all they would spend their time doing and everyone in the criminal justice system knows that criminalising users for using does no good at all.
I did work in the criminal justice system a little and the biggest bust I know of was done purely by accident. Cops on patrol in a car saw some neds throw a pizza box out of the window of the car. Went for a word with them, smelt cannabis and found a bin bag full of it. A classic example of the idiocy that some users / dealers do every day
Whereas your middle class dealer does everything in a business like and professional way, does not draw attention to themselves, does not generate complaints and thus is not busted
I can't post the Henry Hoover Coke vid... its age restricted !
It's not even news, i remember the same story from about 15 years ago.
Did not Gordon Ramsey catch a chef smelling the top of a cistern really closely n one of his restaurants? Then went and drug swiped all toilets in all his restaurants and all of them tested positively for coke? Or am i mis remembering that.
Either way, class A drug use by thos in power really isnt on
Leave people open to coercion amd blackmail as class a drug dealers would, in my opinion, keep video or phone records to use as leverage although surely no MP is daft enough to deal directly
One of my local pubs used to wipe down all surfaces in the loos with baby oil 'cos they got so fed up of people going to powder their nose
surely no MP is daft enough to deal directly
giving your mate a bit of your stash is " possesion with intent to supply" ie dealing in the eyes of the law.
Here we have “police are about to investigate”? About to? How long is that going to take? Even if Westminster is the coke capital of Europe surely they’ll have had time to make it squeaky-clean by the time anyone gets around to turning up with dogs?
Isn't coke one of those drugs that leaves traces in your system for months? I don't think they'd have to find it in coat pockets or desk drawers to prove what someone was up to. If there is any knocking about it'll be stashed in diplomatic envelopes though that even the police aren't allowed to search I'd hazard.
Whereas your middle class dealer does everything in a business like and professional way, does not draw attention to themselves, does not generate complaints and thus is not busted
Is that a dealer who deals to the middle classes or who lives in a nice area, has a woodburner, an audi and generally conforms to the STW stereotype?
Isn’t coke one of those drugs that leaves traces in your system for months? I don’t think they’d have to find it in coat pockets or desk drawers to prove what someone was up to.
As a general rule the police can't go demanding hair, blood or urine samples on the basis of hoping to find drug users. If you don't have the drugs in your possession (their metabolites in your body would not count) then they haven't got evidence of the crime.
I don't know enough about the actual practicalities of cocaine use - but why would any MP, who I believe all have their own private offices, need to snort it in a toilet?
why would any MP, who I believe all have their own private offices, need to snort it in a toilet?
Because it's traditional, and British parliamentarians are right sticklers when it comes to tradition.
Isn’t coke one of those drugs that leaves traces in your system for months? I don’t think they’d have to find it in coat pockets or desk drawers to prove what someone was up to.
I don't think so. Traces in hair could be found but unlike cannabis it leaves your system quickly - short half life. Cannabis is the one that is easily detectable days and weeks after it has no effect any longer.
Well, it makes a refreshing change from the hookers.
the police can’t go demanding hair, blood or urine samples on the basis of hoping to find drug users
This.
Don't expect any follow-up to this story, apart perhaps from some signs going up.
strictly divided on party lines.
Ha ha
It was explained to me by a businessman user. He would phone a number and say where he was. A time and street would be given. He'd leave the pub, open the car door and glove box, remove a bag that hadn't been touched by the driver, drop money on the seat, and both would clear off in different directions. He didn't know the name of the driver. Apparently the phone with all the numbers would get flogged on if someone wanted to retire. The middle class way of doing dirty deeds without offending neighbours or attracting attention.
As a general rule the police can’t go demanding hair, blood or urine samples on the basis of hoping to find drug users.
Although if you are poor, or even better, poor and BAME, stop and search allows them to do pretty much anything they want.
there is also a tacit police policy not to go after users ‘cos if they did thats all they would spend their time doing and everyone in the criminal justice system knows that criminalising users for using does no good at all.
While absolutely true, it didn't stop them standing at the top of escalators out of tune stations with sniffer dogs searching anyone the dogs seemed remotely interested in. Don't see why they couldn't do the same at the entrances to parliament.
apart perhaps from some signs going up
Lol. We just get frosty signs reminding us not to flush paper towels.
"Please DO NOT snort coke from the toilet lids - Facilities Management"
Traces in hair could be found but unlike cannabis it leaves your system quickly – short half life. Cannabis is the one that is easily detectable days and weeks after it has no effect any longer.
Tell me about it.... 😁
Coke leaves your system relatively quickly. Not detectable with a piss test after 4/5 days. Blood test about a week.
THC hangs in your system for longer. Up to 10 - 15 days, much longer with blood test. Time will vary on body fat, consumption and metabolism.
MPs coked up doesn't surprise me. It's a drug for egoists and bullshitters.
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