GrahamS
Your question is meaningless as I have told you
You continue to fail to appreciate the difference between the object and the brand.
To make those decision you need to be aware of the qualities [i]of the objects [/i]concerned.
Where you get
from is beyond me. There is no logical linkhappily supports multi-national giants while letting small businesses fail?
One of the inherent attributes of the OBJECT is its embedded energy / its transport miles / its ethical aspect. This is not a product of the branding but inherent in the object.
Rather than inventing weird scenarios to try to trip me up and strange logical leaps to try to disprove me just try to understand what I am saying
Egg-xellent debate.
TJ's so smart he's going for the anti-marketing market.
i hope bill hicks haunts you, re-arranges your furniture at night and stuff you crazy marketing genius.
jamiep - there is also lots of research about simple colour association too - putting people into differently coloured rooms and see how they react. All this stuff is the basis of what goes into the marketing/branding etc.
I need a large shot of caffine to help me stay awake on night shifts, decent coffee is unavailable, pro plus I don't want to be seen taking pills, caffeine drinks are an easily available and palatable way of getting the caffine
I have just the thing to solve this problem.....
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You can make your caffeine hit as strong as you like & save money.
And what name immediately springs to mind when you think of flasks....?
"Ooooh, it's going to be cold out, dear. Don't forget to fill the [s]Vacuum[/s] [s]Dewar[/s] Thermos"
From Wiki:
A vacuum flask, colloquially called a thermos after a genericized ubiquitous brand...............The vacuum flask was invented by Scottish physicist and chemist Sir James Dewar in 1892 and is sometimes referred to as a Dewar flask, or Dewar bottle, after its inventor. The first vacuum flasks for commercial use were made in 1904 when a German company, Thermos GmbH, was formed. Thermos, their trademark for their flasks, remains a registered trademark in some countries but was declared a genericized trademark in the U.S. in 1963 as it is colloquially synonymous with vacuum flasks in general.
Yeah, but TJ, how's your egg situation?
TJ never does the Hoovering either.
TJ - do you associate red at Christmas, thanks to Santa?
That's the ultimate branding.
and jingles...who would you immediately think of if you needed your windscreen replacing? You might not decide to use them but you probably had that jingle in your head
One of the inherent attributes of the OBJECT is its embedded energy
utter bollox - now who's giving out the marketing schpiel LOL
bahahahaha....
20 pages?
This has gone beyond a yolk.
yeah... I've got egg on my face
it's all down to well laid foundations
it's all down to well laid foundations
Don't be so clucking silly...
Yeah but instead of arguing with TJ or making boring crap jokes, why not post pics of yer fave logos and why you like them? That would be far more benficial to all, surely?
TJ is wrong. I say he is wrong, therefore he is. That's the end of the matter. If he wants to continue arguing, let him. He'll be on his own. Silly TJ.
Why some of you are idiots carry on arguing? If you know you're right, then there's no need to continue arguing, is there?
Right, logos:
Where is from, this one?
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yer no fun today Elf.
Boring boring elf
Will it make the thousand?
Can't believe I shelled out 30 minutes reading all this pony.
No one has come out of this whiter than white.
Will it make the thousand?
Not if you stop arguing.
racist!
Rusty Spanner - Member
Can't believe I shelled out 30 minutes reading all this pony.No has come out of this whiter than white.
Whiter than white, you say. I have just the thing
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xiphon - Member
TJ - do you associate red at Christmas, thanks to Santa?That's the ultimate branding.
don't you mean thanks to Coca Cola 😉
Elfinsafety - Member
Why some of you are idiots carry on arguing?
It's not an argument, it's random contradiction 😉
now we've had the edinbugher defence at last 😉
lets get back to the OP.
I quite like this cheeky one:
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more here [url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/grahamsblog/sets/72157626620633288/with/5683781846/ ]CLICk[/url]
hilldodger - Member"Elfinsafety - Member
Why some of you are idiots carry on arguing? "It's not an argument, it's random contradiction
No its not!
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Sorry.
This has been quite a free ranging topic, I though I'd introduce a little controversy.
No need for verbal assault and battery.
Your question is meaningless as I have told you
I've now offered you three different versions of it? Can you not find meaning in any of them? I didn't think it was that obtuse a question.
One of the inherent attributes of the OBJECT is its embedded energy / its transport miles / its ethical aspect. This is not a product of the branding but inherent in the object.
Okay. I don't eat in McDonalds.
I have eaten in McDonalds in the past, but I found their food to be vile and tasteless.
When McDonalds produces a new burger, happy meal, wrap or whatever then I don't rush in to try it. Instead I use my past experiences of the McDonalds BRAND to decide I shouldn't bother with the new OBJECT.
My wife avoids Nestlé products on the basis of their [url= http://www.babymilkaction.org/pages/boycott.html ]dubious ethics in promoting baby milk[/url].
She is making an ethical decision based on the BRAND. The particular OBJECT she wants (a delicious chocolatey Yorkie bar) is not related to this issue. The bar itself is not particularly unethical, the BRAND is.
Rather than inventing weird scenarios to try to trip me up and strange logical leaps to try to disprove me
Nothing weird or strange. I'm simply exposing the holes in your own logic. That's how I debate.
just try to understand what I am saying
What you seem to be saying is that you are blind to brands and you therefore have no concept what a "tesco", a "mcdonalds", or a "nestle" might be, what their company ethics are, or indeed what they might sell.
And even if you did accidentally stumble on this information, it would have no influence on your buying decision. You're just as happy to buy your "no-name low-calorie high-caffeine drink" from "the tescos" as your local shop - since only the OBJECT matters and the BRAND of the shop selling it is not relevant.
lego
Graham - again you just invent nonsense you claim I have said or you claim is a logical deduction.
Its clearly totally pointless to explain to you as you are unwilling to listen or to open your mind a tiny bit.
🙄What you seem to be saying is that you are blind to brands and you therefore have no concept what a "tesco", a "mcdonalds", or a "nestle" might be, what their company ethics are, or indeed what they might sell.
thats just nonsense and I have not said that.
hilldodger - Member
xiphon - Member
TJ - do you associate red at Christmas, thanks to Santa?
That's the ultimate branding.don't you mean thanks to Coca Cola
No, Santa. I know he's red thanks to Coca Cola - he used to be green.
But when you think of red, you think of Santa - and when it they start showing the Santa + Coke adverts on TV/billboards, you then start to think of coke...
Another one - diamond engagement rings - another amazingly successful marketing campaign!
[quote=The All Knowledgeable TJ]Its clearly totally pointless to explain to you as you are unwilling to listen or to open your mind a tiny bit.
Oh the irony!
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I've opened my mind as wide as it will go but I still can't swallow this. 😯
Okay so you DO know what/who McDonalds are? You are aware of that BRAND, yes? You recognise the famous Golden Arches logo? You've seen them around town. Presumably you are aware of the basic history of the company (American, massively successful, cheap but nasty unhealthy food laced with extra sugar/salt, using direct marketing and even placement in schools to hook in kids at a young age).
How often do you eat there? There are bound to be some near you. They are everywhere.
The Marketing genius of Mr Cadbury's Parrot. I think we should get a petition going for his return
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No one has come out of this whiter than white.
Well quite frankly I woon't expect to anyway. 😐
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Well done loum. Nice to see someone is still interested in what the OP was all about.
Also good to see some folk posting examples of logos and stuff. Loved that Logorama vid.
The British Rail logo is brilliant, but if it's branding you want, then The London Underground/Transport has to be one of the World's greatest and most enduring braynds:
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Actually TJ; if you want to learn and understaynd what a braynd is all about, then hav[b]e[/b] a look at London Transport stuff on [b]G[/b]oo[b]g[/b]le image[b]s[/b].
Or just continue to be silly and stay ignorant. 😐
802 - will it make the thousand?
You do relaize that cola did not invent the red santa, dont you? The red santa pre-dates the cola product by some 30 years or so.
some of you need to open your eyes and minds and accept that there are people who have a different world view
You tell us this - we've been trying to tell you the same **** thign for 20 pages. You're the least self-aware person I've ever met.
Clong - Santa used to be in all different colours, so the existence of a red Santa pre Coke does not mean that Coke were not responsible for the eradication of all other colours.
Clong - Member
You do relaize that cola did not invent the red santa, dont you? The red santa pre-dates the cola product by some 30 years or so.
Not true, I heard it on QI that CC made santa red 😉
Then QI need to do a bit more research, CC did not make santa red. They promoted it, for sure, but he was dipicted as wearing red long before CC adopted the figure. I'd post links an' stuff, but ive no idea how. Google it if you can be bothered.
Yeah but did you read my post clong?
Aye, i did molgrip and i wasn't questioning that CC made red santa more popular, i was challenging the belief that CC came up with the idea.
