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^the top speed is 30mph according to Fully charged.
My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work....Why?
Maybe she wanted one....
although it seems like it according to the news, not all young people are sensible future leaders and concerned about society, the environment etc. Most are just immature ****s. 😂 If nothing else that's a sizeable chunk that could go towards getting her own place!My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
I have registered interest as our second car does about 3,000 mostly town miles so this would tick a lot of boxes. Even more if you could get a third seat in...
The thing with the other solutions is they’re great on paper but rubbish in practice. If bikes, scooters, buses etc were a reasonable solution there wouldn’t be a problem anymore. All those things have been round for plenty long enough (longer in some cases than the mass market car) yet they’ve solved very little and given up ground to the car.
Brilliant as bikes etc are, the problem is what people want, and they want personal space that’s warm and dry in the winter etc. what they want is cars and the solution will be more cars that are better/good because that’s where you’ll get uptake and unlike human nature cars are fixable in our life time.
People want to feel safe. On Britain's roads, that means driving. If we built the infrastructure, it would include walking and cycling. Evidence: the Netherlands.
People want to feel safe and dry
Added what I think people would rate higher.
Evidence: the Netherlands
And what's car ownership like in NL? 481 cars per 1000 inhabitants in 2017.
The UK had 488 per 1000 in 2018.
Both below EU average of 505.
Lowest level of ownership is in Amsterdam (with all that lovely infrastructure), at 25% ish. In London with terrible infrastructure its a touch under 30%.
I'm afraid your evidence isn't. It's bias.
(Belfast has the highest car ownership in the UK but I'm struggling to find a number which doesn't sound wrong - 33% is what I've seen but sounds very low. Netherlands has highest ownership in blaricum [wherever the hell that is] at 572/1000)
A second hand Zoe fits the bill ! I could live with that little Citroen. Would just have to avoid the two miles of my commute on the motorway. The rest of the 10 miles is sub 30 mph.
Peoplewant to feel safe and dryare lazy
The number of people who live within five miles of my workplace who drive there is ridiculous. It's basically because they're too lazy to walk/cycle, no matter how you dress it up.
If the Ami gets people out of normal cars I'm all for it, though I suspect around here it wouldn't because it would mean an extra car, rather than replacing a car.
Lol - you don't choose to do as I do, therefore you are lazy
For me this is the first of other options. See the Nissan Leaf or Toyota Prius for the 'one' that started a change there. This is a bigger step change, but I suspect there will be more than a few other quadracycles emerging...
A swift google shows that Seat, Honda, Mahindra, Zagato, Nissan and a multitude of Chinese companies are already working on releasing their own quadracycle/mini car products. Axion and others already have a few.
It reminds me of the cars i saw all over in China:
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I’m afraid your evidence isn’t. It’s bias.
Now look at transport use, not ownership.
"In the Netherlands, the active mode share in terms of the number of trips was 44% in 2017 and more than half of these were cycling trips" - from https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965856417315525
And what’s car ownership like in NL? 481 cars per 1000 inhabitants in 2017.
The UK had 488 per 1000 in 2018.
Both below EU average of 505.
I own three cars..... I pay tax and insure three cars.
Across those three cars me and my wife do <10k a year. It was projected to be more this year since jnr arrived and cycling to work every day wasn't really feasable .... How ever in reality one of the cars hasn't moved at All the others done 2k and the other did 4k(my wife's a teacher so has been in work every day)
Just because they are there doesn't make them default transport for 100% of journeys. That's the culture change required.
So why is ownership of vehicles important. Looking at it the other way.... If the stats were availible...."bike ownership" ....
Or even better. Foot ownership. -admittedly foot ownership won't be 100% but a majority of folk do have em.
My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
Because if she had more than a mile to travel the fuel bill would be prohibitive?
In the Netherlands, the active mode share in terms of the number of trips was 44%
Yet they still use cars for about 60% of commutes, 47% of all journeys. In the UK is about 55%,60%. The issue isn't "how many people use bikes. Isn't this wonderful, it's" how many people use cars, isn't this crap ". Even in a country with a high proportion of cycling and walking people still drive a similar amount. Bikes don't get people out of cars, they get then off buses and trains.
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So why is ownership of vehicles important.
One is fairly intrinsically linked to the other.
More cars = more journeys, and in the case of NL more shorter journeys too.
So your last link there between 2002 and 2017 car ownership rose but average milage fell ?
Isn't it obvious . We need more cars .
#governmentlevelstatisitician
Isn’t it obvious . We need more cars .
With bigger engines and less cab space...
But in seriousness we need to figure out why, in a country with the highest cycle use anywhere, people are using cars more for less appropriate journeys. It's not lack of infrastructure, its not lack of "national outlook" or anything else. It's because people want to use cars. Pretending by improving infrastructure we can get people out of cars and onto bikes solves little. (Fwiw our current infrastructure would be perfectly adequate if it happened to contain a lot less cars. Cycle lanes aren't really for cyclists, they're for the benefit of motorists, and the increasing motorisaton of roads. )
The only way you'll get people out of cars is to punish use of them. I'm personally all for punitive policies for car use barring the reality the people those policies will hit are those least likely to afford them.
What this sort of thing is starting to address is people want cars but they don't need cars. It's a long way from convincing your average T5 to drive half way across the UK with 1 other in the cab so I can coast down a hill forumite let alone a petrol head, to ditch their ICE but its in the direction of actually addressing what people want instead of what we want them to want.
My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
She didn't buy it with the sole reason to go to work in it. She just happens to have a short drive to work. She will also use it for other reasons and it will put a smile on her face. Good on her.
The number of people who live within five miles of my workplace who drive there is ridiculous. It’s basically because they’re too lazy to walk/cycle, no matter how you dress it up.
I would drive 5 miles to work.
Walking would take 90 minutes each way and I simply don't have 3 hours a day to go to work and back.
Cycling would be an option at times but in cold and rain I would rather just get in a car
So basically nothing to do with being lazy. I actually ride a bike many more miles a year than most people on this forum do (and that is a cycling forum!) but I ride it for pleasure.
My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
I can't think of a better commute for a car like that. I mean I'd walk but that's me.
although it seems like it according to the news, not all young people are sensible future leaders and concerned about society, the environment etc. Most are just immature ****. 😂 If nothing else that’s a sizeable chunk that could go towards getting her own place!
Because young people have NEVER been interested in cars before now.
Anyway, back on track...
I think the front & rear bumper panels are the same and maybe the windscreen is the same as the rear window. It’s a smashing little thing.
That certainly looks to be the case, I thought it had a bit of a Porsche Boxter vibe going on. Normally I moan about value engineering but in this case it makes a lot of sense. Taking a second look I actually think the design has a lot more going for it than I gave it credit for. Just need matt moulded plastic panels and it's a winner, I'd have mine* in bumper black.
*if I could drive more than 2 miles in any direction before hitting a NSL
*if I could drive more than 2 miles in any direction before hitting a NSL
I don't know where you lot are but the nsl roads round here are either nose to tail traffic or full of old folks doing 20mph faces pressed to the windscreen before they accelerate to 40mph I all the built up areas.
30mph would be ample unless it's 5am.
That must be an England thing because me and squirellking are both in Scotland and funnily enough have the same issue with an ami.
I use an electric bike on the same road no issue. Because it's clear it's a bike and not a pretend car so it only takes up a bikes width of space and is easy to pass if speed is misjudged and thus less of a rolling road block.
Yup, the eldsters all maintain 40 round here. They'd be tailgating you all the way (but never overtaking as is their wont).
This is STW. Everyone needs a van/truck/massive SUV apparently. What's wrong with a normal family car ?
Nothing. This isn't one of those though so I'm not really sure what your point is.
I really like the comnept but struggle with the lack of storage space, doens't look like enough space for a weekly shop or say you wanted to hire one to/from an airport or train station, no space for two cabin bags
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Free MemberMy neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
She didn’t buy it with the sole reason to go to work in it. She just happens to have a short drive to work. She will also use it for other reasons and it will put a smile on her face. Good on her
But she could also have sex in an Ami (possibly), she doesn't need a 5lt V8 for a fumble.
Is she a midget?
no but she is VERY flexible (or so I hear)
So it'll be coming to the UK next spring!
And I've just confirmed my interest (£250 refundable deposit)....
If we get on with a test drive, and I can convince the wife it'll be used as a delivery vehicle for our village shop and possibly our daughters first car - as far as I'm awatlre, UK gov has currently said it's too heavy for a quadricycle so you need a full UK license to drive one.
What's the point. If you need a full UK license (which highly suspect you will) then it is just a car with a top speed of 28mph. Fine if you NEVER leave town/30mph limited roads but trundling along 40/40+ roads at 28mph is not a good move.
If the limiter was upped to 40mph for UK it would make it a lot more useable.
It would work fine for a "drive to the station" car, not that I've had to do that for 20 years. It would also work for me to pop from the village to any of the nearest towns (as long as I'm only ferrying one daughter).
@kerley We trundle along on 40+mph roads in many vehicles, this forum is dedicated to them....
Personally for me, it would be a second car that's used for deliverys and advertising for a buisness - in a mainly rural area. But in addition to that I do around 4 trips a week into town in a big heavy petrol vehicle that I could also do in an Ami.
We trundle along on 40+mph roads in many vehicles, this forum is dedicated to them….
We can dream of AMI drivers being the new object of hate on the roads. "Get outta my way!" 😆
If the limiter was upped to 40mph for UK it would make it a lot more useable.
this , renault eventually realised that with their twizzy.
Registered my UK interest some time ago. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
If the limiter was upped to 40mph for UK it would make it a lot more useable.
But then you'd need a better battery and poss motor, or the 40mile range would reduce. So you could have a more costly vehicle.
My guess is someone (poss even Citroen) will do either an upgrade pack (battery and motor) or more likely Citroen will release something more like the Ami one concept - kinda like an Ami GTi. But your well into twizzy pricing and comparability then.
Registered my UK interest some time ago. I’d buy one in a heartbeat.
You should get an email today tobe able to preorder.
Love the idea of these and wish we could see more affordable EV solutions for all rather than the manufacturer obsession for expensive EV SUVs .
This would be perfect for many city dwellers.
As a rural village dweller with a 5 mile commute along a main A road I’d prefer a top speed nearer to 50mph and for kid dropping off duties a 4 seater variant buts its a step in the right direction.
Now if they could focus a bit harder on charging infrared for those of us in rural villages without driveways and access to charging ,there’d be an even bigger uptake to EV.
As a rural village dweller with a 5 mile commute along a main A road I’d prefer a top speed nearer to 50mph and for kid dropping off duties a 4 seater variant buts its a step in the right direction.
Obviously every niche cannot be catered for and I assume they have targeted what they think will be the largest market for such a vehicle. I'd love one but I doubt my wife would entertain the idea (even though it would be me driving it).
Love the idea of these and wish we could see more affordable EV solutions for all rather than the manufacturer obsession for expensive EV SUVs .
It's not their obsession. The issue is that batteries are really expensive and won't get cheap until the supply is increased. So they are making expensive SUVs with long ranges so they can milk the better-off to invest in supply chains and manufacturing capacity. Then smaller cheaper EVs will come.
This is why the Ami has a comparatively crappy battery and range to get it in the 6k price point.
I look at those and I can't help thinking an e-bike would be a lot more convenient. Lock it up anywhere, wheel it into your house/flat, charge in the front room, etc. Fortunately e-bikes are selling well already.
I'd love an ecargo bike for my deliverys, but at half the top speed of an Ami, no roof or winter protection & only a little cheaper (for a good one) etc and a wife that would flatly refuse to use it..... The Ami wins.
The Ami will suit some people,an ebike others and most people not at all....
Obviously every niche cannot be catered for and I assume they have targeted what they think will be the largest market for such a vehicle
I think the target was for French drivers without a full license wasn't it, hence the capped top speed?
Being able to drive at over 28mph in a car is hardly a niche is it!
If it's too heavy to be a quadracycle for licensing purposes how does it get through safety.
It's widely acknowledged that these things (both twizzy and Ami )are shocking in crash situations.....and perhaps that's why it's speed limited.
But surely if it needs a car license it needs to be subject to the same safety standards.