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Oh !.
Kristiansen has just twotted, or what ever it is tweeters do.
ride it 'til it's knackered and then you can buy a new one with a clear conscience 🙂
Don't the pros eat reasonably normally off the bike and consume a lot of calories whilst they are riding. They seem to be constantly taking on gels and bars whilst they are riding and I remember Lance Armstrong explaining something like this as a way of avoiding overeating after rides
[i]Don't the pros eat reasonably normally off the bike and consume a lot of calories whilst they are riding. They seem to be constantly taking on gels and bars whilst they are riding and I remember Lance Armstrong explaining something like this as a way of avoiding overeating after rides [/i]
As our resident iPro has reported.
He rides for 'X' amount of time first, before eating.
To be fair, the Pros have brought on subtle changes in their bodies, under the expert guidance of top coaches.
To enable their bodies to make the most of that gel crap during a race.
Thing is, if I even tried to do the riding a pro does.
Several things will happen.
I will lose whatever Gunz I have.
I will lose my job and won't be able to replace it as a Pro racer, at 43.
I will lose my enjoyment of cycling.
I reckon.
Goodness !.
I'm sounding like a right grizzle pants.
I am currently doing the Chris Carmichael time crunched trianing plan and it has sucked all enjoyment out of riding for me. I dread going out and putting myself through the intervals. I am still doing it, but it's not fun like riding is.
I guess that is the difference between riding and training. I don't have enough time to get race fit riding so I have to resort to training.
I'm digging the fasted training at the moment and find it works but it has to be a weekend thing though
[i]I'm digging the fasted training at the moment and find it works but it has to be a weekend thing though [/i]
I arrive at the gym, usually before I've eaten anything.
An hour on the bike and 3 sets for two muscle groups, finished off, some days with 3 sets of 8 reps, Deadlift.
Final set for the deadlift was 70 Kg.
packet of sweets, 2 donuts and a triple all day breakfast sandwich for lunch 😯
i'm not happy with myself but if anybody asks i'm 'keeping my body guessing' and other such clever sounding strategies!
Phil.
Just a word...
[i]Akrasia[/i] ?.
haha yup! i'll just have some celery and hummous for dinner to make up for it i think....
i would've been a good boy and had some tuna for lunch but i forgot my tin opener 🙁 i ate very badly over the bank holiday weekend and this morning's weigh in was 78kg (dressed in gym clothes, trainers on and a coffee in my system) so i wont start beating myself up about it 🙂
went swimming on saturday and for the first time i a LONG time i felt surprisingly comfortable with my body 🙂
[i]went swimming on saturday and for the first time i a LONG time i felt surprisingly comfortable with my body[/i]
Your bus driver this morning.
It wasn't Nemesis, what is ?.
As we're chewing the phat.
That Roberto Ferrari.
If he doesn't sort himself out.
I hope the peloton really make him see the error of his attitude.
Your bus driver this morning.
It wasn't Nemesis, what is ?.
i dont understand... 😕
[i]i dont understand...[/i]
Its that greek stuff innit.
You mentioned water and looking good.
Just kidding witcha though.
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Solo - I don't get the bus driver thing either?
ok, i was about to comment that i'm usually pretty good at understanding the mentally unwell 😉 😛
[i]The Southern Yeti - Member
Solo - I don't get the bus driver thing either?
Posted 2 minutes ago # Report-Postphilconsequence - Member
ok, i was about to comment that i'm usually pretty good at understanding the mentally unwell
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Aw, C'mon ladies.
Its the Story of Nemesis leading Narcissus to a pool where he sees his reflection, etc, etc.
I blame the Omega 3 capsules I've been taking.
EDIT:
I don't usually swollow the capsule.
I knick the end and squirt the oil over whatever I'm having.
Fishtabulastic !
😯
EDIT, EDIT:
I hate the iDiet, look at what its done to me.
🙁
Ahhhh right. No.
Can we stick to exercise and not Greek Mythology.
I'm thinking of undertaking a Herculean workout this afternoon...
Go and get some running spikes and complete a 30-20-10 interval set at the track.
Go and say hello to the mrs at the gym, do a core workout and maybe some legs.
Then head down to Reading and throw myself into the swimming lake.
I may wuss out of some or all of it as I've got a cold.
ahhh i seeeeee, i didnt study greek bus routes at school 😆
it wasn't a 'holy balls i look great' moment, it was a 'well, it appears i'm not as fat as 99% of the people at coral reef, thats good' moment 🙂
you coming to Reading? why, where, what time?
[i]Can we stick to exercise and not Greek Mythology.
I'm thinking of undertaking a Herculean workout this afternoon...
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Nice. Obvious, but nice.
(I'm being generous. Blame the weather)
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[i]Go and get some running spikes and complete a 30-20-10 interval set at the track.
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I do not run.
You know this.
As this is just a bragging thread and there's no debate that's likely to result in insulting of the black sheep that doesn't agree with collective think:
1190km in the last 12days of which two MTB blasts and the rest on mainly cycle paths on a sit up and beg with knobbly tyres, head wind, a knackered hub gear and camping gear on the back. A rough attempt at 4-2-1 but given the number of boulangeries en route the 4 no doubt got to 5 or 6. I felt stronger every day but one, did 190km in 12 hours yesterday (that would have been over 300km on my roadie) and was flying with the MTB club today.
I still weigh the same as when I started; 68kg my best performance triathlon weight. Now if 4-2-1 or even 6-2-1, bread, fruit, cheese and ham were incompatible with maintaining a healthly weight and performing well day after day I'd have suffered at some point rather than steadily feeling better, wouldn't I ?
Perhpas best if nobody answers though Molgrips can accuse me of bsing, and call me a "prick", "tit" and "pillock" as usual if he wishes.
Awesome! Good to have you back Edukator!
I was after genuine advice from you on a different thread but I forget what I wanted. All I know is I've been eating cheese a lot this weekend and I believe that adding cheese helps my weight to be stable at the lower end of the range I fluctutate within.
Whether it's good to be back remains to be seen. 😉
It's very good to be back home though; a bit more space on the road and weather more compatible with being outdoors all the time.
I added cheese, usually combined with ham, to my breakfast when I had swim training at lunchtime and no time to eat except on the bike on the way to the pool (not the time to be adding carbs). The idea was to add something very slow to digest to breakfast. It didn't seem to cause any adverse effects, possibly improved matters, so cheese has remained on the breakfast menu especially on lunchtime swim days.
Whilst weight isn't my concern I'd be intrested in how you swim after meals with cheese/ham, Yeti. It's a holiday here so I'm going out with Madame for a bit now.
TSY....
You little Tinker, you.
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Hey.
Ed.
Did you review the link in the OP.
Could you twit-up to Mr Kristiansen and tell him how to feed team Sky ?.
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So you're not aiming for anything physique wise? So I guess you think about diet purely based on your reading around what's healthy?
Not aiming for anything physique-wise, no. I want to be fit and fast. It might turn out that striving for 8% or 10% bf has a detrimental effect on my performance, in which case it would be pointless for me.
As this is just a bragging thread and there's no debate that's likely to result in insulting of the black sheep that doesn't agree with collective think
Lol.. we wouldn't insult you if you weren't utterly convinced you've cracked the entire world of diet science by doing a study on one individual.
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that it doesn't matter what you eat? Or that the iDiet is wrong? Can we clear this up for once please?
[i]Can we clear this up for once please?[/i]
That would be something to see and will liable get the thread closed, eventually.
If that other thread was anything to go by.
Grips.
He aint up for being Edukated.
I think Ed should save Team Sky from making their dietary mistakes.
Perhaps it'll help divert catastrophe on the Tour.
I am currently doing the Chris Carmichael time crunched trianing plan and it has sucked all enjoyment out of riding for me. I dread going out and putting myself through the intervals. I am still doing it, [b]but it's not fun like riding is[/b].
That. I can enjoy Z2 road riding as it helps my mind rest from work / family etc, and am fine with going hard, then tapering then rest before an event, but I can't bear the thought of popping out for and hour or whatever to ride up and down the same hill 50 times.
FWIW I've put on 1/4 stone directly on my belly since christmas / cooincidentaly when I turned 40 in March, but on Monday - 7 days before the BORS event knocked out a PB 100k ride for me.
I only wish I knew what was making me feel so strong on the day, becuase I did feel strong. I would state that I beat my PB by 18 minutes - so not a small percentage either. My diet over the weekend was corn fed chicken burgers with salad, Nando's, and Chicken Shish kebabs in a wraps, each with a a liberal helping of Stella Artois.
Chicken for the Win?
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I aint fat.... Fat boyAnd after riding before Xmas and discovering crystalised lumps of salt on the spoke nipples of my road bike.
In future, the TCR, will only see the sunny days.
Sorry, I was only winding you up.
But you may aswell ride the thing if you've got it, sounds like a nice bike aswell. I tend to ride my bike whatever the weather if I want to. If I dont, I wont. The fact its raining is a poor excuse.
It may help you reach your single figure goal aswell!
Dave.
You're cool man. I was just having a laugh with you.
So I hope you accept that post as just a bit of " knock about ".
None was intended.
🙂
EDIT:
Anyway. enough of all that.
Ed's back by special request.
So.
By your beds everyone, while Ed learns us up good.
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I love these threads. They make me feel normal. Can't beat the smell of compulsive exercise disorders on bad science diets in the afternoon... 😉
ps: Tabatha intervals, that burd from Bewitched's fitness dvd right?
You having a laugh with me too, Solo? Once again a fit contributor without a weight issue contributes something positive that upsets the unhealthily heavy on their fad diets. Bye for now.
I want to be fit and fast. It might turn out that striving for 8% or 10% bf has a detrimental effect on my performance, in which case it would be pointless for me
I find this statement intriguing. It's against what I've read outside of the forum but I've learnt that on here we are individuals playing by our own specific rules.
Based on this, I see no reason for anyone to outwardly be offenisve to Edukator. His diet works for him and probably for me too.
Anyway... open water swimming at the moment with the lake at 12 degrees is an eye opener... struggled to breathe, let alone sight or swim properly. I'm going to have to go back... Thurs, Sat, Sun... again and again until it's familiar.
You know I'm right about the pedalos.
Yeti, the reason I argue with Edukator isn't his diet ideas, it's his attitude.
[i]Yeti, the reason I argue with Edukator [b]isn't his diet ideas[/b], it's his attitude. [/i]
Oh yes it is !.
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AS far as I can see all Edukator needs to say is that iDiet may well work for some fatties and you'll be happy, right?
Calling people names, is not arguing BTW, it makes his attitude look exemplary.
Anyway, I'm going to go and start a thread on open water swimming... it's bloody hard.
Is this where we are all hanging out today?! I'd been looking forward to a few quieter weeks but my training plan has had more hours added to it when i wasn't looking, up to 11 hours or so now! 😯 Mustard is hobbling around after the crash and will probably have sold a kidney by the time i get home to replace all the broken bits on his bike. 😕
65mins for my 38km TT on Sunday, poor effort, i felt rubbish whenever i tried to go faster...does anyone really enjoy TTs?!
Yes Dirty, this is a thinly veiled excuse to start a thread about nothing.
Is there a race crash insurance you/he can get? Saw your TT result, was that the 2 up one?
[i]AS far as I can see all Edukator needs to say is that iDiet may well work for some fatties and you'll be happy, right?
Calling people names, is not arguing BTW, it makes his attitude look exemplary.
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Blah, Blah.
What Ed needed to post.
He already has done.
Here:
[i]Edukator - Member
If I don't reply it could be that I recognise the value of the research you quote [b]but consider it a minor factor that might concern some people but isn't worth worrying about for the vast majority of people[/b],
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I have Found the Lord himself, right here ^^^.
Ed will decide for us, whats worth knowing and whats not !.
Regardless of research, etc.
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Can you quote the whole of that post of his please? Or at least tell me where it is. Even in the snippet you've provided you're extracting the wrong meaning... IMO etc etc.
[i]The Southern Yeti - Member
Can you quote the whole of that post of his please? Or at least tell me where it is. Even in the snippet you've provided you're extracting the wrong meaning... IMO etc etc.
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With the whinging:
[i]Edukator - Member
If I don't reply it could be that I recognise the value of the research you quote but consider it a minor factor that might concern some people but isn't worth worrying about for the vast majority of people, Solo. For almost every food you can find research to indicate there are negatives. You didn't reply to link I posted about the negatives of a high protein diet, I'm not insulted. Look at the amount of insult and provocation thrown at me on this thread (now that's trolling not posting opinions) I don't do page long Junkyard style disecting defences
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Arrogance, combined with a monumental degree of not wanting to learn.
Its a winning combo.
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No don't think so; however it could have been worse if he'd broken his new carbon wheels! That's the 2nd saddle and shifter he's broken in 3 weeks!
Yeh was the 2up one. My partner had on tri bars and it made a huge difference to her speed compared to mine on the drops. She really hurt me coming through faster and my legs just weren't feeling it. Felt great the next day during race number 2 though.
[i]No don't think so; however it could have been worse if he'd broken his new carbon wheels! That's the 2nd saddle and shifter he's broken in 3 weeks![/i]
Who is this person, and why can't they ride their bike ?.
Solo - you're completely misquoting him. Why don't you just accept his opinion and that he is right about diet for a large number of people. He is conceding that the research you quote is also relevant to some.
TSY.
No, you're missing the point.
Ed dismissed the info as it didn't comply with his indesputable truth and knowledge.
And I would raise the same point, again.
What do a couple of Cardio heads know about controlling body weight through diet ?.
When you're activity levels are way over that of most people and so therefore mitigate what I consider to be poor food choices.
Furthermore....
Can anyone explain to me, Wiggins being on record as avoiding grains in his prep for the Tour !.
EDIT:
And I'm still waiting for Ed's verdict on what Mr Kristiansen is feeding Team Sky, as per the link at the begining of this thread ! !.
I recognise the value of the research you quote
Is that how we dismiss something nowadays?
Have you got a link to the Wiggins thing? Was it a time of crash weight loss? Like the 'attack' phase of the Atkins or Dukan diets? Did he continue not eating grains? I'm interested as I'm always open to modifying things.
I was shocked that Cav said riders were eating pasta for breakfast.
Out of interest... how can you dismiss my view because of the amount of exercise I do, reference to athletes doing far more, and also accuse others of dismissing research that you think is valid?