I don't want a belt on my bike, chain is the new future!
just to say it again, mondeo tdci
also quite a probability that the gf's 1.0 3cyl corsa is a chain too
Solenoid valves ftw. Coupled with variable compression ratio, that'll be the engine of the future. You'll be able to vary the displacement on the fly. Cruising? 600cc engine flat out. Need power? 2.5l on tap.
Given the catastrophic damage that occurs
when they break , it ' s always seemed and
incredibly weak link to have in the system .
Why have manufacturers persisted with rubber
belts for so long ?
Don't cars have non-interference pistons nowadays? My old Toyota had them, and it was introduced in 1989.
Belts, chains? Pah...Honda have had it right on their V4 motorbike engines for some time now, gear driven cams are where it's at...
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hairy, if you want a diesel car, that's quiet, reliable and has chain driven cams, find yourself an E34 BMW 525tds.
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Hondas V4 gear driven cam engine was developed for the VFR750 on the back of the 'great chocolate cam' controvesey (late '80's). Apparently, they lost money on every one they sold due to the high R&D costs. I had one, it was my first 'big bike' - fantastic....
I also had the 2.5tds in an Omega. Had it from new and put 150k miles on it in 2.5 years.... No issues at all... Just disks and othe wear parts. Once I ran it on the Autobhan at maximum for a full tank of juice - it lapped it up (unlike my front seat passenger 🙂 ) Trouble is, they were adopted by the Taxi community and are all interstellar mileages now.
My VW transporter T5 also has a chain. Not such a short list then!
That's why the stingy muppets at BMW (and Audi) don't even give you a fricking spare wheel, jack or even a wheel wrench!!!
I suspect that's because most of the owners wouldn't know what to do with one even if they gave them one.....
No point adding a jack or wrench if there's no spare, is there? And don't most BMWs come with run flats? Seems reasonable.
I suspect that's because most of the owners wouldn't know what to do with one even if they gave them one.....
It's because most come with runflat tyres. Which are utter sh1te. Changed mine ASAP and now have a 12v compressor and tyre weld. But if I get a blow out, I'll need to call a breakdown truck. Not ideal. No space for a spare, a jack or even a wheel wrench.
Why are BMW drivers any less likely to be able to change a wheel BTW? Are they all disabled or something?
Cos they're all ****s, Mat 😉
My local tyre dealer is run by ****s but I bet they can all change a wheel... 😉
It's fascinating the way people try and make themselves feel better about life through cars.
1) Call Boxsters and Caymans "poor man's Porsches" (I don't know many poor people that can afford £40k+ on a 2 seat car)
2) Call various decent sports car "hairdressers cars"
3) Brand all BMW/Audi/Merc drivers as rude and incapable of doing anything practical like changing a wheel. Smug in the knowledge that he can easily change a wheel on his insert name of boring car
4) Mock anything vaguely prestige from big SUVs to fast Mercs on the lamest of grounds. "Oooh I wouldn't be seen dead in an SL65 Merc - it has less cupholders than my insert name of boring car
5) Assume all BMW/Audi/Merc drivers actually have no interest in cars and only bought one to try and look well off.
6) Pull out the old "oh those BMWs/Audis/Merc are useless in the snow, I'm much better off in my insert name of boring car
And many more examples.
It's fascinating the way people try and make themselves feel better about life through cars.
Isn't that what you do all the time? You insult people's cars even when the argument has nothing to do with cars!
Less caffeine for Surf-Mat 😆
It dunt bother me what people think about the things I drive/ride... If they want to generalise and leap to silly conclusions, they can do so in their own little bubble of ignorance 😉
I'd still love to walk into a really s****y dealers in my old gardening clobber with the intent of a major cash purchase.... just to see the reaction... Interestingly, I didn't buy a BM recently as I thought the dealer was a total wan..err plonker. The final straw came as I sat there chatting away and a courier came in to swap the salesmans personal mobile phone. He chose to do this rather than 'harvest' my (considerable) commission - silly boy. I got up and walked out. That was a £50k+ sale....
Please find a [b]single [/b]example of me insulting anything other than overpriced Saabs, Alfas and overrated and underpriced Audis? 😉
You are a prime example of one who tries to make himself feel better about his Prius and Passat by having random pops at others - ooh does it need to be that fast, ooh its got high emissions, ooh it does't give ten quid to charity every time you fill it up, etc, etc.
Here we go....
Surf-Mat and Molgrips earlier in their rendition of 'Women in Love'
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As usual, he started it.
What usually happens is that we have a row and then you start using 'Prius driver' or 'Passat driver' as an epithet.
You are a prime example of one who tries to make himself feel better about his Prius and Passat by.. *snip*
That makes no sense. I didn't inherit those cars, I chose them. It's precisely BECAUSE I feel that emissions are important that I bought a Prius.
Are you suggesting that deep down I regret my purchase but I am in denial about it?
No not at all. But you do like to shoot others down for rather bizarre reasons.
I sometimes think your perfect car would be a supercharged V8 Range Rover but you're not allowed one 😉
I don't mean to shoot people down. I keep bringing up this stuff about emissions and consumption because I think it's important, and people ought not forget it. Likewise road safety.
It's true that I love the mechanics of cars, and I love to drive fast too. But I also love cruising in comfort.
I would love a sporty car but personally I can't justify high emissions just for my enjoyment, unfortunately. If I were rich enough I'd consider something sporty but I'm unlikely to go for a drive for the sake of it, so then it becomes a utility car and is again unjustifiable.
Best thing would be a car for the track and to race it regularly but I only have time for so many hobbies.
If I DIDN'T care about emissions at all, I'd get some kind of Jag or Merc - fast but comfy and stylish.
And with that, I'm off for a ride in the forest that surrounds my workplace :p
Sorry about this.... I for one, could not give a fkuc about emmissions but I do care about fool economy as I pay for it directly...
Look around you, look at the amount of crap being produced around the World and your little squirt of C02 from your 10k miles per year is utterly irrelevant.
Yes we need to start somewhere, yes every journey starts with a single step but my impact is the same as the flea shagging the elephant and I'll expend zero energy worrying about it.
There now 👿
molgrips, why don't you then get a RR as they plant trees to offset your car's emissions? Or are you waiting for an electric motor-driven Jag?
Cos I could pay for carbon offsetting anyway via one of the many independent companies. Plus planting trees in temperate latitudes doesn't help either.
Yes we need to start somewhere, yes every journey starts with a single step but my impact is the same as the flea shagging the elephant and I'll expend zero energy worrying about it.
So you're acknowledging every little helps, and we all need to do something, then ignoring your own wisdom in the same sentence 🙂
Our Defender comes under the offset 10k miles scheme. Do a fair few trees have been planted because of it.
Mol - until you stop flying, driving, are self sustainable and ride wooden bikes made from your own back yard then you really cannot preach about being green.
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So you're acknowledging every little helps, and we all need to do something, then ignoring your own wisdom in the same sentence
Yes because I recognise the futility of my actions in the face of overwhelming odds.... 🙁
It's not preaching. And these things are pretty much facts. Just because I fly and drive does not make them any less true.
It's got nothing to do with moral relativism, it's got to do with CO2. End of.
If I DIDN'T care about emissions at all, I'd get some kind of Jag or Merc - fast but comfy and stylish.
Actually, a lot of even the largest Jaguar and Mercedes models are pretty emissions friendly. You can have your cake AND eat it, at least to a reasonable degree. An S320CDI will do 35mpg easily, which isn't great per se, but for a big old bruiser is very acceptable.
I had a Jaguar XJ TD loaner last year which averaged 38mpg in the time I had it (only about a week). The new model's a lot better, apparently.
And I tried a Prius which, if I'm honest, I just didn't like. Then again, I've yet to find a Toyota (Lexus included) that I warmed to.
Moral relavatism?!! That's worse than a word I saw last week - ideation!
So if it has to do with C02, sell your Passat, don't fly, grow your own food and insulate your house then stick up a big wind turbine.
I'm almost certain your CO2 footprint is MUCH worse than mine or many others here. You commute a long way, you use hotels that are dreadful on resource use, you fly, you have two cars, etc, etc.
If you're going to single out every "evil" person that has a high emitting car (take note - many will have an OLD high emission car that has immediately made them qualify as using far less emissions than anyone with a newish car, whatever the g/km) while continuing to try and justify your own high emissions activities then you are being a complete hypocrite.
We work from home, fly extremely rarely, all veg sourced locally, most meat sourced locally, we work from home, we drive less than 10k miles a year, etc, etc - others here will be far "better."
So stop preaching - you apparently like cars so enjoy them for what they are, be they a Prius or an AMG Merc.
I'm almost certain your CO2 footprint is MUCH worse than mine or many others here
It is, yes, I completely agree.
How does that change your obligations tho or anyone else's?
I believe that I (and you) live in a free country. Therefore we have no obligations, apart from to pay taxes.
Hairychested - Your up skerries way aren't you (northside anyways as I recall), where did you go for a spin? Wicklow/Dubs mountains or up to carlingford?
Therefore we have no obligations
Oh but we do! We have moral obligations.
Do you have a list of these then?
I have never seen it if there is one.
I can give you a few off the top of my head:
Be nice to each other
Don't damage other people's stuff (this is where the CO2 thing comes in)
Don't upset other people
Don't endanger other people
Look after things that everyone has to use
Be fair
Try and be a good person
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I can't believe a car thread has ended up with me reading about John Stewart Mill.
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I can give you a few off the top of my head:Be nice to each other
Don't damage other people's stuff (this is where the CO2 thing comes in)
Don't upset other people
Don't endanger other people
Look after things that everyone has to use
Be fair
Try and be a good person
Isn't this reasonable only if there's a fair chance of reciprocation? IME, the current 'f em all I'm all about me' approach means the usual 'rules' don't apply. Hence my comment above.
Isn't this only reasonable if there's a fair chance of reciprocation?
I don't think so. I believe we all have a moral obligation to be good even if we get nothing back from the people to whom we are nice.
I've not noticed things being worse now than they have been in the past. But I am only 35.
im going to guess the reason is the sam as why people are looking at putting them on bikes?
quiet
efficient
dont require lubing.
i reckon a chain would wear out just as fast as a belt.
Hang on a minute Olly, is that a comment about timing belts? Tssk, whatever next? 😉
I believe we all have a moral obligation to be good even if we get nothing back from the people to whom we are nice.
Does that include labelling many Defender and all BMW drivers "****s?"
No. I was in the wrong there although I wasn't being entirely serious.
And I definitely wasn't being serious with the BMW comment on the other thread, that was an outright joke - sending myself up based on my comments on here...