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I've just gone on carwow and basic 40 leaf is 22750 (Chorley Nissan), basic eGolf 23450 (Doncaster VW). New Golf S basic petrol is 22495. CBA comparing trim but as a starter the egolf comes with alloys, the Golf S comes with steel wheels. I suspect the egolf comes with a bit more in basic flavour as they're shifting them ahead of ID3.
edit:: eGolf now 22796 (JCT600 VW West Yorkshire Online)
22495 appears to be vw rrp .
The new oil...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49759626
"Run by a Canadian firm, Nautilus Minerals, the project will be managed from a ship in the tropical waters of the Bismarck Sea off Papua New Guinea. Three of the vast machines will be lowered to the slopes of an undersea volcano.
There they will encounter a stretch of seabed covered in hydrothermal vents. These strange twisting chimneys are formed by boiling water blasting up from the rock.
As with most fields of vents, this one is astonishingly rich in valuable metals. The site is named Solwara 1 - “salt water” in the local language.
But the hydrothermal vents host thriving communities of marine life - snails, worms and shrimp that have evolved to cope with very specific conditions.
In some cases these creatures are extremely rare, which is why the prospect of deep sea mining is highly controversial.
The plan is for Kewa to guide the steel teeth of the mining machines so they methodically demolish the vents, pulverising them into fragments.
The tiny pieces of rock should then be small enough to be piped up to the surface. On board the ship, a processing plant will churn out a multitude of specks of copper and gold that could be worth billions. A Chinese firm has already agreed to buy the lot.
Once the riches of Solwara 1 have been extracted, the machines will be moved to another dozen sites lined up nearby."
Yes. wasn't trying to misinform just the S didn't come up on carwow. Just tried other parameter and offer was 18690 for S 1.6tdi diesel (Newbury VW)
So Re fuel cost. I worked on Octopus Go tariff 5ppkwh (0.30am-04.30am) charging 40kwh Leaf over 15000 miles pa came out at £210 pa (I think that's based on 150 mile range didn't take into account range loss over winter or any other variables but would still be under £300 I'd expect). The Golf S appears that it would cost around £1400 pa on 15000 miles based on 1.20 ppl and on an average 58mpg. I think for diesel they're quoting 67mpg, so at £1.24 ppl = £1260.
So I could save about £1000 a year on fuel
airvent
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Does anyone know how much cold winter temperatures affect the battery? Lithium batteries dont like the cold and youd be running the heater which is presumably off the battery too, there being no waste heat from an engine to use.
The cold does affect the range but by not as much as you think. The Zoe has a small air source heat pump that uses the waste heat from the motor and batteries to heat the cabin. I think it produces 3kw of heat from 1kw of the battery power due to the consumption rate of the heat pump. On a cold start it does use a conventional electric heater though. If the car is plugged in at the time you can pre-heat it using mains supply to maintain the battery level. This also works direct from the battery if the level is high enough but obviously reduces the range a bit.
Purely from a hybrid owners POV:
airvent
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Does anyone know how much cold winter temperatures affect the battery? Lithium batteries dont like the cold and youd be running the heater which is presumably off the battery too, there being no waste heat from an engine to use.
I get 63-65mpg in the summer, 58-61 in winter.
Most of the reduction comes from heating the batteries up and keeping the aircon working. The aircon in my car comes direct from the electric so not engine derived.
Don't think that’s bad TBH
I think it produces 3kw of heat from 1kw
Like any heat pump the COP drops with temperature. In reality the Zoé heater struggles when the temperature drops below -5°C. You have to play with fan speed and temperature setting to get enough heat to keep the screen clear. I don't take my ski jacket off when I get in it.
Surely if it’s about saving money then leasing a couple of year old diesel car works out cheaper than any new electric car, tbh if money matters buying a few year old car works out cheapest. But I guess if you want new and you can live with an EV then that’s all that matters.
It just seems in the UK we are hooked on mpg and depreciation or monthly payments are never considered.
Dunno couchy. Met alot of people that will pay thousands just to not pay road tax.
They will pay even more to simply not have to not their car for 3 years.
But yes we focus on the recurring costs rather than the over all cost.
the hands-free-card-in-pocket system irritates.
Those bloody great Renault keys are a PITA! The ones supplied with the higher end cars like the Kadjar are too big to fit on a keychain, and don’t even have a fitting to do so, at least the Captur keys are thinner and have a slot for a keyring.
Met alot of people that will pay thousands just to not pay road tax.
#pedantalert - Road tax hasn’t existed since 1932! It’s a vehicle excise license. And zero VEL has, I believe, been discontinued because the government is losing revenue on zero emission vehicles - the same thing is now happening in America as well.
How do you reckon the carbon cost of the batteries and cost of e-drivetrain vs ICE drivetrain?
Mazda have gone with a smaller battery pack, saying it’s the best compromise:
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/31/mazda-mx-30-small-battery-short-range-decision/
Countzero to the sort of peoplenwjo pay thousands to avoid it it's road tax.. you and about 3 other people refer to it as VED .
Our Zoe is great. It was second hand and was the choice over a similar priced and sized ICE car. Free charging at mrs ots’s work. It’s the perfect runaround for us and makes economic sense over the comparable ice alternative.
But it’s not just about the finances for me.
@trailrat count me in with the pedants as precision is important (see also Brexit for what imprecise language can achieve).
If précises language is important to you you probably want to correct the errors in countzeros post....