We keep hearing the doom and gloom of what happens when Brexit hits, especially a no deal version.
What are the up sides? There must be some benefit to normal everyday folk, some light at the end of the tunnel. What do we have to look forward to?
What are the up sides? There must be some benefit to normal everyday folk,
All the unemployed True Englishmen will instantly be endowed with Gainful Employement after its previous owner has been deported. After all, those foreigners have been coming here for years and Taking Our Jobs.
Also, the NHS will instantly be wonderful.
And "we'll" have "control" again, whatever that actually even meant in the first place.
My mate asked this question on the government's "are you ready?" website the day it launched.
He's still awaiting an answer
When the riots & looting start I'm totally getting a 60inch LED TV
Onza - you should send your question to 'Ask Nigel'.
I've been wondering this for some time now.
I keep hearing loads of negative predictions, many of which I can see as possibilities but have yet to hear any vaguely convincing positive predictions that stand up to any challenge.
thats because there are no upsides.
Some new jobs for life are being created, the border agency is recruiting, as is the civil service - there's going to be a lot of new red tape for government employees to manage over the next decade. Might have to cut back on NHS a bit to pay for it but less chance of that nasty Spanish flu coming over here so should be ok.
When the riots & looting start I’m totally getting a 60inch LED TV
I'm going full white Nike's and some Joggers...
You'll be able to keep any Bass you catch as long as theyr'e over the minimum size limit.
The only potential light at the end of the tunnel, is that normal people, even though they've done it in the most stupid way possible, are at last beginning to wake up to the fact they've been screwed over for decades. It will also hopefully put a rocket up the backsides of politicians across the spectrum who loaded the fallout from the 2008 crash on the general population whilst allowing the perpetrators to carry on as normal.
Of course this is countered by the threat of nationalist populism. It's going to take a concerted effort of all politicians and others who are against rightwing populism to present more of a united front against the likes of Farage and Johnson. So far the signs are not good on this front. Political opportunism still reigns supreme, egos are being exercised and personal interests and career ambitions are at the forefront. I have no idea what will happen, but think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Or maybe we are in the midst of a more long term and widespread collapse? If that's the case then it's pointless worrying about it as we're all ******.
I keep hearing loads of negative predictions, many of which I can see as possibilities but have yet to hear any vaguely convincing positive predictions that stand up to any challenge.
The only narratives I still see with any sort of regularity these days are either,
a) ephemeral gubbins about freedom / sovereignty / taking back control, or
b) the will of the people, democracy.
Everything else has long since disappeared, but these in themselves are difficult to argue against. Outright lies like the Lisbon Treaty 2022 can be readily disproven (though these days I've given up and just say "project fear," what's good for the goose and all that) but feelings are harder to counter. People don't like the idea of the EU, don't like the thought that we're not being masters of our own destiny; whether this has any bearing in reality is an irrelevance to these people, they just don't like it. We laugh about blue passports but it's exactly that sort of petty nonsense which is important to people.
Oh yeah, dazh will get the anarchy he's been pining for for years, I'd forgotten about that. Chewkw will have rubbed himself raw after the collapse an' all.
We an only hope that the "Brexit dividend" is disproportionately weighed towards those demographics and regions that voted for brexit.
Well I for one won't have any Bally nosey pencil pushers looking into my offshore tax affairs.
dazh will get the anarchy he’s been pining for for years
Being intersted in and supportive of the anarchist principles of greater freedom, more equality, less hierarchy, accountable 'authority', and more effective democracy does not translate into wanting 'anarchy'. Anarchy, in the chaotic sense of the word, and anarchism are not the same things. Go do some reading....
https://www.seesharppress.com/anarchismwhatis.html
We'll all be better off.
No more cheap labour so all employers will pay more
Raw milk will be back
We can feed our food waste to pigs again
Glass milk bottles
NHS will recieve more funding
We can make our own meds
We can produce our own food.
Just some of what I’ve learnt this week
Positives:
Some very rich people will become exponentially more rich, so they'll see that as a benefit. Won't help your "normal everyday folk" of course, but a few dead benefits scroungers is a small price to pay.
A complete collapse of the Tory party seems likely, and I for one won't shed a tear there. It could even lead to reform of government, maybe a break away from the two-party-in-all-but-name system we've seen for decades. Getting rid of FPTP might be an option?
The exchange rate going down the toilet will be great for holidaymakers coming here (if anyone would want to) and for non-EU immigrants-to-be.
Reality hitting home will finally put an end to the "project fear" / we won you lost shut up and get over it narrative. Maybe a medicine shortage and food rationing is exactly what's needed to heal the divide, the country coming together like we did in 1945. They'll enjoy that.
The removal of the EU27 from our fishing waters will be fantastic for Chinese fishermen, for about a fortnight whilst there's still some fish left in there anyway.
A fuel crisis would be great for the environment. And forcing more people onto bicycles might mean less anti-bike road rage from drivers.
We'll have a lot more green space we could use for recreational areas with all the former farmland freed up. No more farting cows would be a net benefit to the environment also.
Whoever buys the NHS might actually put some money into it. TrumpCare™ anyone?
Boris going to jail?
Joking aside in this and from some Leavers I know and from what you can glean online I think this is the perception of what good stuff will happen.
1 We will trade more with the rest of the world making better deals as we aren't tied to the EU.
2 The US will become a greater ally and Trump is very UK friendly, and anti EU so will be inclined to help us out.
3 Far less immigration. Huge win.
4 Relief on NHS due to lowering immigration.
5 Relief on housing due to Les immigration.
6 More jobs due to cutting off cheap labour from abroad.
7 Seeing less foreign people in their communities in general.
I DON'T AGREE WITH ONE WORD OF THOSE POINTS ABOVE BUT THEY ARE GENUINELY HELD BELIEVES OF MANY.
Pretty scary but they are the positives to many Leavers.
4 Relief on NHS due to lowering immigration.
Of course countered by the loss of excellent EU27 staff, who were recruited to make up for shortfalls in UK-trained staff.
I'd call it a net loss.
Totally agree sooty. My partner works in the NHS and is terrified by the effects of Brexit.
I DON’T AGREE WITH ONE WORD OF THOSE POINTS ABOVE BUT THEY ARE GENUINELY HELD BELIEVES OF MANY.
And that's what's frustrating about the whole thing. Half of it isn't true and in fact is likely to have the opposite effect (project fear, we're not listening) and the other half is just racism.
If they want those things, brexit is not the solution.
but a few dead benefits scroungers is a small price to pay.
This place is getting insane. What evidence in particular led you to that statement?
'Project fear' will have to come to an end. Replaced by 'Operation we bloody told you so'.
I need a new passport in January.
A Blue one.
😎
What do we have to look forward to?
Our re-accession to the EU in about 2035
What do we have to look forward to?
Our re-accession to the EU in about 2021
If we ever actually leave that is.
I've heard the following:-
1) VAT rate dropped (this will never happen)
2) Less red tape, more business growth (not convinced)
3) More national pride, we will win the world cup again
4) We will have got on with it and will come together (whatever that means)
5) We will not be enlisted into the EU army (I'm too old so didn't care anyway)
6) Johnny Foreigner will have had it stuck up him and he doesn't like that
7) Tourism industry will boom with staycations
You mean there won’t be £350 million a week extra for the NHS?
I definitely recall seeing something about that on the side of a bus
What do we have to look forward to?
Not long until the dissolution of the United Kingdom.
This place is getting insane. What evidence in particular led you to that statement?
You do realise that I'm not expressing my opinions there? I've seen "it's a price worth paying" bookending all manner of toxic shit.
Case in point,
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/no-deal-brexit-on-bbc-breakfast-1-6279075
"So you rely on insulin?" asked the reporter - witnessing the pair disagreeing.
"Yeah I rely on insulin," confirmed the member of the public. "But I still want to leave."
"If the insulin doesn't arrive, for you as a diabetic, you think that's a price worth paying?" enquiried the reporter.
"Yeah I do," the Brexiteer replied while nodding.
"Why do you feel so strongly about it?" asked the reporter somewhat flabbergasted.
"Because we voted to leave, we didn't vote for a deal, we didn't vote for anything, we voted to leave Europe," he told the BBC. "And that's all we want right, we're either a democracy or we're not".
Turkeys, Christmas? Amazing.
You mean there won’t be £350 million a week extra for the NHS?
BIL is a finance director for an NHS trust.
He has written to both his boss and local Tory MP asking for when the payments will arrive so he knows to spend it carefully...
I need a new passport in January.
A Blue one
That's a point; mine expires in November. Wonder what colour the new one will be?
Oh yeah, dazh will get the anarchy he’s been pining for for years, I’d forgotten about that. Chewkw will have rubbed himself raw after the collapse an’ all.
Eh? Raw about what? Anarchy? Bureaucracy? Democracy? 😀
If "... collapse an' all ..." then so be it what is there to worry about coz that is the nature of things. You can run amok if you wish but I ain't.
On a separate climate issue why are the climate protestors protesting in the west about climate? There is "no" (far less) more virgin forest in the West apart from certain countries so why protest here? 😀
Shouldn't they be protesting in say Indonesia, Brazil or countries (their virgin forest is much more important for the world) that openly burnt down their virgin forest? Those are the countries with good natural carbon capture is it not? 🤔
Can someone tell me the issue with an EU army? UK troops are under foreign control in NATO.
Can someone tell me the issue with an EU army? UK troops are under foreign control in NATO.
EU just want to create an alternative version to NATO etc ... I see them coming ... 😄
Please don't bait The Troll.
I’ve saved up and bought a chest freezer, a generator that can run on on turnips and hedge twigs, i’ve Driven over a couple of deer and chucked them in. And i’ve Got about a dozen tins of chopped tomatoes in my buried stash.
Still haven’t had any confirmation of when my free-range sunny upland Unicorn is arriving, though. FFS.
It's a little known fact that the laws in England against cycling on footpaths are actually the result of an EU directive and the Lisbon treaty.
After Brexit, we will be able to cycle on any footpath we want! This is genuinely true(*) !
I have already started doing this, since as far as I'm concerned, we already left on the 30th March. Anytime any walkers - traitorous remoaners - complain I let them know how I feel about their anti-democractic ways.
I ran into someone the other day who was gammony with rage that I should dare to exercise my English right to cycle where I choose, without having to bow and scrape to the EUSSR.
"17.4 million people voted to let me cycle on footpaths" I yelled at him as I sped past at 20mph.
(*) May not be genuinely true.
We’ll all be better off.
No more cheap labour so all employers will pay more
Raw milk will be back
We can feed our food waste to pigs again
Glass milk bottles
NHS will recieve more funding
We can make our own meds
We can produce our own food.
Just some of what I’ve learnt this week
Some old woman phoned James O’Brien sometime ago. One of her plus points to Brexit was we’ll be able to wrap our fish and chips in old newspapers again. Apparently the EU banned that. I don’t have the energy to fact check this nonsense any more
Re. Army/ EU army: there isn’t one. There is a vague ententes cordiale about commitment ratios for Infantry, and comms.
Special Services are vaguely in touch with each other, but that’s a very aloof connection. The SAS/SBS are generically up for comms with the French, and active allegiance with the Scandinavian Soecials... apart from that, the other nations can’t be trusted.
You need to catch your own unicorn. There will be herds of them sweeping majestically along the M1 to bring sunshine, rainbows and unimaginable wealth to areas that voted for them.
But it's not that easy because you have to choose between the ones with the gold or platinum plated horns or the ones that crap out gold bars and urinate pure crude oil. If you have a more socialist leaning I understand that benevolent dragons will be breathing out an atomised multi medicine that will cure all disease and give you fresh breath. They will be going East West from Dover (where they will have dropped off some imported food) along the M20, M25 south and then along the M4 to Cardiff where they'll be welcomed to their ancestral home.
Can someone tell me the issue with an EU army?
Something fictional about mandatory conscription for 16-24 year olds, I believe.
As anti-EU arguments go it's an odd one. If 27 countries on our doorstep were planning on amassing a huge collective army, surely we'd want to be a part of that rather than have it potentially against us (and y'know, have the power of veto if we thought it was a bad idea). If there was a shred of truth in it it'd be one of the most compelling reasons not to leave that I could think of.