Yes, could be a good predictor for when Brexits real fallout hits all the other areas of the country.
I suspect Covid will take the heat for much of that for many years to come though. The next decade won't be pretty.
The joy of it of course is that Johnson will do his time, the shit will hit the fan in a very slow motion way, individual sections of society will find themselves on their arses at different times, and when it gets really bad the 1922 lot will be able to point at Johnson as a scapegoat. 'we never wanted it to be like this - this isn't the Brexit any of us voted for!' Gaslight the whole country. Again.
Hey ho. Of course Labour have been complicit in it all but they just have to hope that they can get more of it to stick to the Tories come the next election.
Overly simple answers to complex problems is exactly how we ended up in this position.
No that's not correct.
Brexit was sold as a simple solution to a complex problem that primarily was not the fault of EU membership.
Pointing out that Brexiteers (allegedly) have shit for brains is an observation, not a solution.
Pointing out that Brexiteers
(allegedly)have shit for brains is an observation, not a solution.
There's only two types of people that genuinely think Brexit is a good idea:
1. People who are using it to gain personally - either financially or politically.
2. People with shit for brains.
@dannyh - I object to your second category! Shit has a practical use (just not between people's ears)
Shit has a practical use (just not between people’s ears)
Shit is very fertile. You just plant a seed and off you go. Dominic Cummings realised this.
Pointed this out a few times, most brexity folks have seen no change to their personal circumstances...
In the shadow of covid which has changed many folks personal circumstances Brexit is fine.
Many people view no change as a victory, people in my family included.
Those who are suffering (Fishing, importers, exporters and people with expensive hobbies ahem!) Are numerically tiny and will not swing an election.
Hartlepool is your metric.... Boris is bullet proof with these folks.
I know people who have had their business disappear overnight, but in the grand scheme they are not even collateral damage.
Good old Joseph Stalin understood the "electorate" better than any modern politician as he said the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic and no one cares about statistics. By the way Cummins is a big fan of Stalins thinking.
The Conservative Party is not a party but a conspiracy … the great vested interests handed together in a formidable federation; corruption at home, aggression to cover it up abroad, the trickery of tariff juggles, the tyranny of a party machine, sentiment by the bucketful, patriotism by the imperial pint, the open hand at the public Exchequer.
Billy Blyton- a proper Labour Lion.
It's an open goal, the problem is that the ball is a balloon. You can strike hard and accurately but it won't go in.
In other words, you can point out how stupid Brexit is and how corrupt and clueless the Tories are til you're blue in the face, but people just aren't listening.
Those with long memories may remember me ordering a Brompton at the end of March. 😉 It's here! waiting to be picked up from the shop in Bayonne. 🙂 The UPS tracking runs to 27 lines. The poor people at Brompton have spent (wasted) I don't know how much time chasing and waded through I don't know how much paperwork for one bike. Thanks if anyone from Brompton is on the forum.
I'm not sure "happy birthday" is appropriate but at wave at those in NI remembering 1921.
Good news! And sounds familiar. Tracing the path of orders crossing UK borders these days is depressing. Not least for the energy wasted on the journey. Not exactly green.
Well at least we beat the EU to a trade deal with India, we showed them pesky foreign blighters.
Or, more likely, take the weasely option and pay miles over the odds to go back into a few bits by stealth.
Kinda like Norway then. The people voted to not be in but their leaders knew that Norway would benefit, so they paid more per capita for their 'part-membership' than the UK paid for our full-membership (and opt-outs).
I think that will be exactly how it plays out.
Say your out, wave the flags a bit and hope no-one notices the reality.
Well at least we beat the EU to a trade deal with India, we showed them pesky foreign blighters.
Except that it isn't actually a trade deal, it's just part of business as usual. And it's one ninth of the similar announcement made in 2015, when we were still in the EU. But the media are doing their bit for the Tories propaganda effort by helpfully refraining from pointing any of this out.
https://twitter.com/fascinatorfun/status/1389518573849227265
Exactamundo and as the real news is that the EU are actually sat negotiating the real deal as we speak, but you've got to have some fluff so our lot don't look the bell ends they are.
This year's best seller?
No English version until October though.
No English version until October though.
You forgot to add on any lead time for importing them too.
I expect to witness a pile of them being burned at some point during 2022 - possibly with a Polish delicatessen with smashed windows in the background.
The UK’s early problem, writes Michel Barnier in The Great Illusion, his 500-page account, was that they began by “talking to themselves. And they underestimate the legal complexity of this divorce, and many of its consequences.”
Lovely use of understatement.
Soon, however, the talking turned to Conservative party infighting, and by the end it had become “political piracy … They will go to any length. The current team in Downing St is not up to the challenges of Brexit nor to the responsibility that is theirs for having wanted Brexit. Simply, I no longer trust them.”
Nor do we mate. Well, oddly, millions do... desite... well... everything.
Glad the bike showed up Ed.
Ups for us have reached new heights. A parcel shipped to Germany 3 months ago has turned up and we were asked for customs clearance information. Well, that was all provided when we first shipped it in February as you might imagine, but now some bright spark in ups has decided the package needs a new label (I wonder if this is related to the fact you cannot track a parcel beyond 3 months on their system?) we have to provide the information again as it is effectively a new shipment.🙄
This could be a fun little read.
Barnier's got a book out. Well, he will have imminently, and in French, English version later this year.
I might well buy Barnier's book. It will be like watching The Office as David Brent tries to lie, wriggle, scam and bullshit his way through life. The only problem being that Johnson is doing the David Brent thing with a whole country rather than a paper merchant sub office.🤦♂️
We've had the cod war, now the knitwear war.
Why aren't they protecting Cardigan?
cougar – see 4 posts above yours!
Yeah, sorry. It's a 200+ page thread, I'm playing catchup.
now some bright spark in ups has decided the package needs a new label
Yep, 2 x times this year with ups when sending stuff back to Sweden (Revolution Race - great kit 😊).
Start playing the land of hope and glory...and fire up the spitfires.
Not sure escalating anything with France will end well for us, it’s not like they haven’t already started blockading stuff 🙂
I might well buy Barnier’s book. It will be like watching The Office as David Brent tries to lie, wriggle, scam and bullshit his way through life
I’d wait for the Netflix series,the comedy based on real events 🙂
Not sure escalating anything with France will end well for us
It will help those currently in the UK government to stay in power. That’s all that matters. As someone wiser than me said in this thread, Brexit isn’t an event, it’s an ongoing project to rule and transform the UK in the interests of a very narrow group of people. I called that the “gunboat” headlines would be a regular feature of election cycles once we had left the EU back in 2016. No one should be surprised. And I recall posting on here about a chat I had with a retired Saint Helier civil servant who sad that Brexit would completely drop them in it, because they were beneficiaries of us and France being EU members, but had no say in that ending or in what follows.
Could the channel Islands rejoin the EU in some way? They'd want to keep their UK tax haven side but I imagine they'd be in a good position to negotiate a deal.
They were never in the EU, but did benefit from UK & France being in it together. It doesn’t hugely matter whether they are in or nor not, what matters for them is that the UK is not in it. Them joining would solve very little for them, they’d still suffer from the UK being out.
It will help those currently in the UK government to stay in power. That’s all that matters.
I'm sure that a lot of Boris's mates will also be reassured that he's prepared to send some gunboats out to defend the tax haven where they all stash their cash.
Todays newspaper headlines should rally the Tory vote.....
So were the French deliberately provoked to provide a perfect jingoistic tub-thumping session for the Brexies, or just normal greed/incompetence. I guess the latter.
The UK & EU deciding retrospectively Xmas eve 2020 that a full year of precise records for the year just gone would be required for the new UK issued licences is the issue. Plenty of greed and incompetence allegations to throw about. French fisherfolk has as much say in that half cocked deal as Scottish and English fisherfolk... that is.. zero.
Its baffling that there are any issues with this fishing bill, given the painstaking attention to detail that went into its negotiation from the Brexiteers
Fisheries minister did not read Brexit bill as she was busy at nativity
Well the TT computer mounts we sent over for a Giro team look like they are finally out for delivery after being sent on a 2-day service last Monday. All requested documentation was supplied and supplied again x3. I'm not sure whether the issue is with the courier or Italy interpretation of the rules but needless to say this would not have happened pre-Brexit.
All our shipping costs have gone up. An express service to the EU nake 2-3 days and costs more than a next day service to the US. And our EU customers then get the kick in the face of paying an exorbitant courier handling charge.
Its baffling that there are any issues with this fishing bill, given the painstaking attention to detail that went into its negotiation from the Brexiteers
Nativity trail? Matthew 4:18-22 seems appropriate at this point - the fishing industry can just cast down its nets and become fishers of men. Or work in cyber, or something.
Apparently, according to a member of the Jersey government just interviewed on Five Live, any disputes just used to be settled over a glass of wine.
Now they have to talk to Westminster, who talk to the EU in Brussels, who then talk to the government in Paris who then talk to the French Fisherman.
Still.... at least Brexit got rid of all that needless red tape, eh?
The French Navy are there now. This is all going well then?
The French Navy are there now. This is all going well then?
It’s going very well if you are a Tory looking for votes in the local elections
Indeed. In a statement as depressing as it was predictable, a UK government spokesman has just said "at least the Nazi's kept the lights on" with reference to the French government.
Yes, because Macron is just like Hitler.
Maybe, when referring to the Nazis, the Brexiteers might be better off watching this
Indeed. In a statement as depressing as it was predictable, a UK government spokesman has just said “at least the Nazi’s kept the lights on” with reference to the French government.
That's a joke, yes?
