Someone got themselves a bit of a semi when they read the headline. 😂
From that link.
And if you read my comments you'll see that I also said it was destabilising.
Maybe including those comments in the post will help provide that context
Theres certainly nothing in that article that differs significantly from the consensus I'm perceiving from others in this thread.
UK companies that are setting up EU subsidiaries
On the news this morning or was it yesterday evening. They were interviewing the owner of a company who the government are touting as a success because they sell lots of food stuffs to brits in the EU. In reality he was saying that he'd laid off 40 staff and was setting up a warehouse in the EU.
touting as a success
His business might be a success, it is just that Brexshit has meant the jobs themselves have left the UK and, effectively, gone to the EU.
The strokers we currently have as a 'government' won't have even realised this is actually a bad story for Brexshit.
The ones who are in it for a quick buck for their mates know, but don't give a shit.
Clueless tossers like Redwood are just....clueless tossers.
Daz's article is a pretty grim summary of brexits effects on NI
Brexit is the opposite of reconciliation: it means standing apart rather than coming together, asserting distinctiveness over finding common ground. For those who still question the damage that the UK leaving the EU has done to the architecture of the Northern Ireland settlement, which was predicated on a healthy British-Irish relationship, look at the difficulty the two governments now have in simply agreeing to convene a formal meeting to discuss what is happening in Northern Ireland. For more than four decades, the margins of European council meetings offered a place for UK and Irish ministers to engage without formality and pressure. Not any more.
What Brexit is doing, on all levels, is disrupting the arrived at MO for keeping tensions in NI to a minimum.
NI is just the worst casualty... the MO for "Brexit" has little or nothing to do with leaving the EU and everything to do with creating tensions across the UK.
I can't think of many (even any) things the current Brexit cabinet have done that haven't been to divide the UK.
“Well, yes, but it's not about the football."
"You're saying that football is not about football?"
"It's the sharing," she said. "It's being part of the crowd. It's chanting together. It's all of it. the whole thing.”― Terry Pratchett, Unseen Academicals
"Well, yes, its not about the EU
You're saying Brexit isn't about the EU ?
Its the division, about the hate we can exploit. Its about saying we don't follow any laws and we do whatever we want both as a country and as individuals"
SteveXtC (bemused musings)
^ 👏🏼👏🏽👏🏾
What I was saying the other day…
What we were all saying the other day… while you set yourself up a lovely straw man to slag off to entertain yourself.
I suspect there must be an election in the making. The delays in import checks, possibly aligning the food standard thingy.
Election by December/January? Maybe with a new leader? March 2022?
After 12 days in customs Madame's new Brompton has been let out and so far made it to Carbon Blanc. I assume my translations of what paperwork was missing helped Brompton to sort it from the UK end. The wait time has been enough to completely rebuild an old one which will get passed on to junior when the new one arrives.
I suspect there must be an election in the making. The delays in import checks, possibly aligning the food standard thingy.
Perhaps but so long as the effects are blamed on someone else and the current government can divide people enough I can't see it helping.
The blame doesn't need to be credible .. blame the Irish, blame the French.. blame furriners who want us to follow rules... it's pretty much the same narrative as pre-referendum.
Those that bought into Brexit are not looking for actual answers but someone to blame, preferably furriners.
Johnson will try & bluff it out, its what he always does & itll work
He will concede to the EU & align on sanitary checks for NI & still claim it as a victory
his supporters will buy it
After 12 days in customs
That’s just the Evil French customs just attempting to thwart the glory of Brexit 🙂
dudeofdoom
That’s just the Evil French customs just attempting to thwart the glory of Brexit
Sadly that is the message enough people will buy.
Johnson will try & bluff it out, its what he always does & itll work
He will concede to the EU & align on sanitary checks for NI & still claim it as a victory
his supporters will buy it
It doesn't really matter how he does it so long as he blames someone else and blames it on furriners trying to make us follow rules. The rules don't even need to exist (IOM kippers anyone), he'll just lie and enough people will buy it.
That’s just the Evil French customs just attempting to thwart the glory of Brexit
Or the evil of a notoriously useless delivery company. They are currently looking for my parcel, and you only look for something you've lost. Meanwhile on the French equivalent of Gumtree a Brompton identical to the one I've ordered has just appeared without a price, and the seller hasn't got a clue about the bike because the description (in poor French) doesn't match the photo. I've informed Brompton, it's not their fault, or mine 🙁
https://www.leboncoin.fr/velos/1963665094.htm?ac=1481102916
Just as well I've done up the old one, I can't see the new one arriving anytime soon, but I could have it wrong.
Listening to Brexiteer bell-end Bernard Jenkin on QT, the problems in NI are nothing to do with Brexit and we should all just move on
Apparently the border down the Irish Sea is the EU’s fault for not allowing the UK to implement the border between north and south that David Davis suggested.
The fact that that was a fantasy that only existed in that dimwits head and relied on technology that doesn’t actually exist, nor will it, is neither here nor there.
No blame can be laid at the door of the man who negotiated and signed THE UK up to the NIP while simultaneously assuring everyone that there would be no border in the Irish Sea, obviously
It’s all that nasty EU’s fault
Nice to see Brexit cloud-cuckoo-land hasn’t evolved at all since reality intruded
They’re just doubling down on the same tired old bullshit that becomes less and less credible by the day
This has turned into an 'Everything that goes wrong is the fault of brexit' along with, or usually followed by 'We told you so' type of thread.
Vent here....
In the case of Northern Ireland and the threat to the GFA, it is the fault of Brexit and, yes, we told you so
I found out the other other day that all our Export Health Certificates signed off by our vet are being paid for by the government. No wonder exports "rose" in February. The scheme has been extended 3 months as well.
This has turned into an ‘Everything that goes wrong is the fault of brexit’ along with, or usually followed by ‘We told you so’ type of thread.
Vent here….
Counter arguments are welcome, as are the challenges to those counter arguments.
This has turned into an ‘Everything that goes wrong is the fault of brexit’ along with, or usually followed by ‘We told you so’ type of thread.
Vent here….
Well my knee's giving me gip, that's got to be the fault of bre ..., actually no it was me slipping on mud and twisting it.
Given the resources available to the pro-brexit camp don't you think it's strange that there's so few "Look at this! We couldn't have done that when in the EU" type stories? Instead all the energy is spent in deflecting attention and passing the buck - "Anyone's fault (especially the EU) but brexit."
In the case of NI an, at times, uneasy truce is under threat primarily because of the brexit cheerleaders not understanding (being kind) or not caring about the implications of what they sought.
Listening to Brexiteer bell-end Bernard Jenkin on QT, the problems in NI are nothing to do with Brexit and we should all just move on
Was he pulled up by anyone?
I found out the other other day that all our Export Health Certificates signed off by our vet are being paid for by the government. No wonder exports “rose” in February. The scheme has been extended 3 months as well.
No, paid for by me and YOU!
Out of curiosity, what's the cost of the certificates/vet vs the value of the exports?
And if your company had to pay, would the exports still be viable?
This has turned into an ‘Everything that goes wrong is the fault of brexit’ along with, or usually followed by ‘We told you so’ type of thread.
Vent here….
In the case of Northern Ireland and the threat to the GFA, it is the fault of Brexit and, yes, we told you so
Couldn't have put it better.
Given the resources available to the pro-brexit camp don’t you think it’s strange that there’s so few “Look at this! We couldn’t have done that when in the EU” type stories? Instead all the energy is spent in deflecting attention and passing the buck – “Anyone’s fault (especially the EU) but brexit.”
This is worth repeating. Lots.
There is STILL not one tangible, quantifiable benefit that's been realised...
More and more I think of this clip from Red Dwarf when I hear people talking about solving the problems of Brexit.
Replace "The Cat" with "The Boris" or any other deluded politician and replace "Kryten" with pretty much any normal person.....
The Cat : Why don't we drop the defensive shields?
Kryten : A superlative suggestion, sir. With just two minor flaws. One, we don't have any defensive shields. And two, we don't have any defensive shields. Now I realise that technically speaking that's only one flaw but I thought that it was such a big one that it was worth mentioning twice.
The Cat : Good point, well made.
There is STILL not one tangible, quantifiable benefit that’s been realised…
Er tampons.
Unless we’ve missed it.
The reality is that ‘we’ perceive Brexit as a problem but to Boris and chums it really isn’t.
In or out, it’s always the eu’s fault.
I thought it was a Pandora’s box but it’s not,it’s Schrödinger's box and they’re putting you in it 🙂
Listening to Brexiteer bell-end Bernard Jenkin on QT, the problems in NI are nothing to do with Brexit and we should all just move on
Was he pulled up by anyone?
He was, but like all the rest of the Brexiteers they just keep ignoring all evidence and parroting the same old patent nonsense. In this case that it was the EU who 'forced' the UK to put a border down the Irish Sea. None of it was Boris's fault for signing an agreement that did what he solemnly promised he would never ever do? Oh no. Its all the nasty EU's fault. They're 'punishing' us for leaving, apparently
Its like a religious cult
Counter arguments are welcome, as are the challenges to those counter arguments.
He was, but like all the rest of the Brexiteers they just keep ignoring all evidence and parroting the same old patent nonsense.
As I said, Brexit has nothing to do with leaving the EU, rather it is simply a way to manipulate the electorate.
As someone pointed out earlier with the LibDem coalition government that was the old model.
The new model is to divide the electorate because with enough hate you can get people to vote on a single issue and even better you don't need to deliver that promise, simply blame others why it isn't or simply lie.
In my constituency that voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU we revoted in a ultra right wing Tory MP because ... well because Labour and LibDems couldn't get their act together.
No MP in the same party as Corbin as party leader would never have been elected in our constituency but labour were trying to steal non Tory votes right up to the end of polling. In the end they got their way by about 200 votes giving the constituency to the Tory's.
On the other hand the Tory's got elected simply because they were willing to lie and target each divided group with empty promises.
The only election promise the Tory's have kept (as far as I can see) is to break the law where they like and to limit the power of the courts to hold them to account over that.
We pig headedly exerted the right to leave our borders open ... (for example) because closing them like the rest of the EU would show it was a lie. We pig headedly pretended we hadn't received an email to take part in PPE procurement ... because if we took part we couldn't then blame the EU.
Blame is most important when you promise something you can't do.
None of it was Boris’s fault for signing an agreement that did what he solemnly promised he would never ever do?
Yet he has (re)created hatred and divide that he will thrive on at the ballot box.
The more divided and the more hatred the more he can get people to vote over a single issue and so long as you can blame everyone else why care.
p7eaven
Counter arguments are welcome, as are the challenges to those counter arguments.
More like the Meaning of Life condom on my John Thomas IMHO.
Brexit has nothing to do with leaving the EU
Not to escape the EU closing the tax dodging loophole in Jan 2021 then?
Not to escape the EU closing the tax dodging loophole in Jan 2021 then?
Only in part and not specifically looking at it in 2021 back... because sooner or later there will be other international tax dodging laws or just the extension of the EU one to other companies that operate in the EU.
I think this influenced the timing but the only consistent "policy/theme" from the people currently in government I can think of (and happy to have them suggested) is
"The UK does not follow laws either domestic or international"
Looking at it as a whole since the referendum it seems the plan is to become a pariah state ... in the same way as say Libya in the 90's... so the "bigger picture" Brexit was just part of a new order of "governance by division" and Brexit was just a way to create the division.
The "governance by division" is a way of me putting words to the model of advertising by division applied to governance. In other words the idea its easier to sell your product by making people hate the competitor or paying for fake news stories that will polarise the electorate.
(STW example being cyclist hits car/pedestrian)... the clicks and comments will be worth more if they create hatred than understanding. The more you can get 2 groups fighting/hating/not listening the more the fake news is worth. (or entitled dog owners would be another example)
The "government" really only want your "click" on the election cards. They don't need you to like them so long as you or I put a mark in their box.
[strong]intheborders[/strong] wrote:
No, paid for by me and YOU!
Out of curiosity, what’s the cost of the certificates/vet vs the value of the exports?
And if your company had to pay, would the exports still be viable?
Well I kinda realise it'll come back to being paid by the taxpayer of course. Approx cost is £120 - £150 per EHC. This depends on how long it takes as the EHC is free, it's the vet's time to sign it off at about £140 per hour. this includes checking the consignment against Health Marks, making sure that the health marks comply with EU regs as they changed to GB rather than UK and dropped the EC at the beginning of Jan. Anything that doesn't comply needs to be removed from the shipment or the health mark changed.
Small consignments not worth it big ones yes, in some cases the customers will accept it but I don't know for how much longer. Cost of a pallet to Denmark went from a couple of hundred quid to 700 hundred.
We were paying at one point until we found out about the scheme, so whilst not immediately viable we've done some at our cost to try and get a foothold in certain areas. Seems to have worked to some degree. We've filled the gap that others left and it's worked out OK as we were willing to put the effort in.
As it stands we don't have a history of exporting to third countries so it's been a massive learning curve, research etc., and not paying expensive consultants. I think we've had 1 problem pallet and that was to Denmark and mainly due to the importer trying to tell us our commodity codes were incorrect for our cheese. Pretty sure I know what the constituent parts are of a product I designed!
Standard FB 'conversation' with a Brexiteer - 2020 edition.
Brexie: Why can't they just let us leave?
Grownup: They have and we can.
Brexie: Yeah but, no but, what I mean is why can't they just let us leave and carry on as before?
Grownup: Because you don't get to pick and choose which bits of a club you like and which bits you don't - especially if you have just left that club.
Brexie: But we won the war.
“Who do you think you are kidding…”
“Ambrose”.......ha ha!
Standard FB ‘conversation’ with a Brexiteer – 2021 edition.
Brexie: Why can’t they just let us leave?
Grownup: They have and we can.
Brexie: Yeah but, no but, what I mean is
If we left why do I have to pay import duty for good from the EU how are they still able to force us to pay import duty in the UK?
Why are the still EU stopping us getting a trade deal with America?
Why are we still in NATO if we left the EU
Why do we have to follow WHO rules if we left the EU?
Why can't I buy curved bananas or cucumbers
Why is the EU forcing companies to leave the UK
Why is it so cold in April now we left the EU?
Why does the coronavirus not leave the UK now we have left the EU
Kelvin - can you do a précis (or a cut'n'paste) for those of us who don't subscribe...?
Hey, I don’t subscribe!
Basically, things aren’t as bad as they were, so chin up, eh? We can recover from the economic damage of Covid, therefore damage of Brexit is worth it. Or something like that.
My comment was in reference to their “Dad’s Army” imagery…
That Telegraph article just shows how low the readership of that comic have become. 'We' are a couple of months ahead of Europe at best with the vaccine rollout and economic re-opening. After that, we are ****ed.
Ah-'kay, thanks. I got the reference, just wondered what was in the article. Not very much, by the sound of it!
