And when it does all go off, I wonder if the UK media will bother reporting any of it.
Its been pretty noticeable, while we've already mentioned flag-wave TV, that the mainstream media have virtually ignored two weeks of rioting, just as they've sidelined everything else that contradicts the 'isn't Brexit brilliant?!' narrative
they won’t be liaising with the PSNI
Which, in turn, means the PSNI turning up to more random places with less information to hand, leading to more tension, more likelihood of them being jumped, more likelihood of a jumpy constable pulling a trigger.....etc etc.
When it comes to NI, Johnson is being criminally irresponsible. The only hope really is that his obsession with a place in history leads to him not wanting to be remembered in history as the man who caused another 30 year killing spree.
Can't somebody tell him there's a distillery at Bushmills or something? To stoke his interest. Or maybe a buxom waitress businesswoman who'll nosh him off for £100k of taxpayers' money?
mainstream media have virtually ignored two weeks of rioting, just as they’ve sidelined everything else that contradicts the ‘isn’t Brexit brilliant?!’ narrative
The writing is on the wall for the Beeb. There is already a Johnson/Gove shill in charge there.
"Let them make a few programmes for Black History Month but make them put it on BBC4 at 11pm, otherwise go full Goebbles on their asses".
And when it does all go off, I wonder if the UK media will bother reporting any of it.
Of course they will. They'll report that it's all the dastardly EU's fault. 🙁
Of course they will. They’ll report that it’s all the dastardly EU’s fault
That's going to get harder, even for our client press. The UK (well the Tories) wants to diverge further, each time they do that NI gets put out further on a limb
Indeed. With each step away from the EU that Boris and chums will take, NI remaining part of the UK becomes less and less tenable.
And it's barely tenable now.
Whatever the Brexiteers say, the reality of the matter is that they've created a border in the Irish Sea. People may not pay much attention or much care in Engerland, but that isn't washing with anyone who lives in NI. They expressly said they wouldn't do that, and they've done it
This will not end well
People may not pay much attention or much care in Engerland, but that isn’t washing with anyone who lives in NI
I would say its sitting pretty well with quite a few people who live in NI. Just not the ones who voted for brexit and helped funnel dodgy cash into the brexit coffers for use, particularly, in England.
It's a novel approach, isn't it?
Half the country hate you anyway, so lets set about alienating the half that don't by completely betraying them and doing the one thing you absolutely, definitely, positively assured them that you would never, ever do
Half the country hate you anyway, so lets set about alienating the half that don’t by completely betraying them and doing the one thing you absolutely, definitely, positively assured them that you would never, ever do
You seem not to have faith in the Stockholm Syndrome. Paired with a perfectly amorphous and yet many-headed shared enemy (foreign, gay, black, lefty, Muslim, ‘woke’, commie, ‘elite’, ‘expert’, Remainiac, hater, etc) then Stockholm Syndrome is not just unconsciously denied. At this level the abuser is paradoxically both unseen and yet also embraced towards a shared goal (destruction and/or assimilation of the out-group)
I don't doubt the Stockholm Syndrome in the politicians. Still trying to hang on to their 'my enemies enemy is my friend' narritive, despite all evidence to the contrary.
As they're trying to justify their support for Brexit and Boris they look like domestic violence victims assuring their best mate that he said he'll never do it again and he really means it this time.
The people out on the streets don't look much like they're buying it, do they?
Difficult to have any sympathy with Arlene and co. They've brought this entirely on themselves. They put their faith in Boris Johnson. Anyone who does that, deserves everything they get...
https://twitter.com/TheBrexit_Daily/status/1379770173981347842?s=20
Difficult to have any sympathy with Arlene and co. They’ve brought this entirely on themselves. They put their faith in Boris Johnson. Anyone who does that, deserves everything they get…
They do indeed.
Well, this is the end of the road for one portion of the Great Lie that is Brexshit. De Pfeffel has effectively stuck a border in the Irish Sea and sold the unionists down the river. There's no amount of £ billions that will be able to keep all the loyalist factions in line.
The fact that he is willing to do this is truly scary. It shows just how in the pocket of the Brexit Spivs he is. He is actually going to go down in history as the man who reignited the NI troubles because he couldn't admit to The Lie.
Wow.
Boris sold the Unionists down the river just like he threw the fishermen overboard. Reminds me of how Trump grifted all those supporters who donated to his 'recount the vote' fund that ended up making them pay multiple times over because of pre checked boxes buried in deliberately confusing small print.
They've probably calculated that if they lose Northern Ireland and Scotland it will leave the Tories (English Nationalists) with an insurmountable advantage at the English polls. The Welsh will be next when they realise the unicorn is in fact a donkey with a dildo on its head.
Maybe this is what they meant when they talked about getting rid of all the foreigners.
I think Inkster has hit the nail on the head, NI is a problem better spun off to Ireland. Scotland is a problem but an independent Scotland is an opportunity and England becomes a Dictatorship by democracy.
Makes a lot of sense...
Oh and Wales can become "Lebensraum"
The people out on the streets don’t look much like they’re buying it, do they?
A minority. I’d warrant as many or more of the UK electorate are miffed about the ‘plandemic’.
The former will easily be banished/demonised via self-styled ‘anti-woke’ media and tabloidism. As ever.
"Oh and Wales can become “Lebensraum”'
I suspect that's the way the master race already think of it.
From Kimbers link:
Meanwhile, the UUP MLA Mike Nesbitt has suggested border checks should be moved to Rosslare so items can be inspected before shipping into continental Europe.
He said: “The EU are adamant that Northern Ireland is enjoying the best of both worlds, with unfettered access to both the UK and EU Single Markets. If that is the case, why not extend that privilege to our friends and neighbours in the Republic?
“I understand the EU wish to protect the integrity of their Single Market, hence the new regulatory regime that amounts to a Border in the Irish Sea. People seem to think the only alternative is a hard land border between the two jurisdictions on this island, but there is a third way.
“This would reinstate the trading relationships that applied for decades within the UK and between the UK and the Republic, arrangements the Government of Ireland and EU were happy with. It also allows the EU to take back control of how goods are tested for compliance with EU regulations, rather than relying on the UK, now a third country, to carry out tests on their behalf."
And here it comes, NI would be sorted if only Ireland left the EU...
I tend to think of sectarian violence in NI and re-unification of Ireland as mutually exclusive things, and that the Unionists are aware of that.
And they're trying to play the Paisley Game already.
"We will stop at nothing, never, all means necessary".
Then there is a shooting incident:
"We didn't actually mean for people to start shooting, that is them misinterpreting what we said".
NIeverything would be sorted if onlyIrelandthe EU left the EU…
(Logical conclusion of the Right Wing Arm Of Great Little England)
Brexiteer nutjob Theresa Villiers has just been on Five Live. Thick as mince. Still saying that the NI protocol needs to change to allow frictionless trade between NI and the rest of the UK
Do you think her or any of the other Brexiteer idiots have actually read the document that their hero negotiated? Or that they yet grasp the concept of the customs union and the single market?
It would appear not.
She was still banging on, like David Davis 4 years ago, about some magical invisible border in Ireland that will be enforced by...erm....errrrrrrr.... 'technology'?
YOUR BREXITEER PM CREATED A BORDER DOWN THE IRISH SEA YOU ****ING NUMBSKULLS!!
Thats the reality. It's not temporary. It's not teething troubles. This is it. This is what you wanted. This is the way it was always going to be. Its not like you weren't told
Oh and Wales can become “Lebensraum”
It already is, English incomers all over the place. And it was also exploited - mineral riches already owned by a Scottish Marquess who creamed a shitload of money off the top, then industrialists helped themselves and then buggered off. All that mineral wealth and it's now one of the poorest places in Europe. Where'd all that money go?
about some magical invisible border in Ireland that will be enforced by…erm….errrrrrrr…. ‘technology’?
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/968406960776376320?s=20
It already is, English incomers all over the place.
You also need to factor in the Welsh outgoers. My kids and a fair proportion of their schoolmates are now working outside Wales. My mrs did for the first 20 years or so of her career. (As did I, but then I wasn't Welsh.)
The lies are catching up with De Pfeffel and the muppet show...
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Everyone knows that Boris Johnson has sold Ni down the river. He’s lied to them more than he’s lied to anyone... and that’s quite some benchmark
The people who are kicking off are the half of the population who are meant to be on his side, before he stitched them all up.
In July, when full customs regs come into force, things are going to get a lot, lot worse for NI businesses. Nothing will change for the better. This is it. This is what Boris personally put his name to. Doing the one thing he said ‘no British Prime Minister would ever countenance’
It’s April and Belfast is ablaze already
I truly dread what July will look like. Looks like Belfast is where all those mountains of Brexit lies are going to come home to roost, big time!
And the noises coming out of government suggest that they’re thinking the answer to this is an authoritarian crackdown.
"The people who are kicking off are the half of the population who are meant to be on his side, before he stitched them all up."
Remember how the 'troubles' started back in the 60's, the British army initially went in to support the Catholics before finding themselves at war with the republicans in no time at all.
Where this will all end up God only knows (though it may be best to keep God out of this one, although God may be partly to blame for the on going divisions, the current mess is all on Boris).
In July, when full customs regs come into force, things are going to get a lot, lot worse for NI businesses.
Ironic/ Well, they’re used to bonfires in July, so what’s changed?
I think that stoking this was a very deliberate tactic by the DUP
Johnson couldn't give a flying frack about NI, now he's forced to, what concessions will the EU want to get the NIP changed?
There's only so far they can go cutting slack on customs protocols.
The solution needs to be a long term one too, so it must somehow cover the Tories plans to diverge further in the future
Can you imagine what the coverage of the riots in N.I. would be like if these were Asian or Black kids. I note the empathy and understanding being shown to both rioters and the community regarding their frustrations. The lack of coverage about property damage, bad parenting or absent fathers, or day we say it; British values.
I'm glad though that this Govt has told me I don't live in a racist society though, so I probably don't need to worry about it.
Remember how the ‘troubles’ started back in the 60’s, the British army initially went in to support the Catholics before finding themselves at war with the republicans in no time at all.
Yep - the much vaunted 'cups of tea and bread buns' stage where the army were welcomed into Republican areas as saviours from a pogrom.
I remember reading that someone thought a government department that was set up in the 70s to cope with The Troubles suggested that they have a jokey internal competition to come up with a coat of arms and motto for the department. There must have been at least one witty wag there as, apparently, the winning design was a shield depicting three hooks to signify (I think) UK government, Republicans and Loyalists. The motto read "It seemed like a good idea at the time".
And that was back in a time where the government actually gave a shit about Northern Ireland and had a few senior ministers with a brain cell or two.
Now we've got a bunch of thickos and crooks in charge, utterly beholden to the bullshit that got them where they are. It is likely to be an utter disaster and if it is - this will be Johnson's political legacy. Not a 'great man who won a war' (whatever that means), but what he actually is. A sneering, squalid little liar who isn't half as clever as he thinks he is - who rekindled a squalid civil war in part of the UK.
**** Boris Johnson.
**** Brexit.
**** all who sail in her.
Can you imagine what the coverage of the riots in N.I. would be like if these were Asian or Black kids.
It's not just that. The media are falling over themselves to prioritise the notion that this is all about the policing of a Republican funeral or something else. Even the Graun managed to have 'The B Word' third in its list of probable causes.
It was all so sadly predictable, too.
I say we drop Boris and his jolly Brexshit chums off next to the car or bus most recently set on fire.
Can you imagine what the coverage of the riots in N.I. would be like if these were Asian or Black kids. I note the empathy and understanding being shown to both rioters and the community regarding their frustrations. The lack of coverage about property damage, bad parenting or absent fathers, or day we say it; British values.
I’m glad though that this Govt has told me I don’t live in a racist society though, so I probably don’t need to worry about it.
This x 100000000000
As someone who follows a fair amount of Right Wing Twitter accounts/bots to troll them when I'm in the mood their silence on the riots in NI is absolute.
Even the Graun managed to have ‘The B Word’ third in its list of probable causes.
TBF to the coverage the phrase "It's complicated" could have been created to describe how the riots kicked off. I doubt very much that the kids throwing petrol bombs about are going to give you a learned discourse on the effects of the Irish sea border and how they fear the standard of living enjoyed by the people of NI will somehow decline...The kids are told the republicans are "winning" and we/they need to stop them from winning. They saw this with their own eyes when Sinn Fein broke lock-down rules and no action was taken by the cops.
Johnson couldn’t give a flying frack about NI, now he’s forced to, what concessions will the EU want to get the NIP changed?
The EU are going to look at Brexiteers blaming the NIP and saying they need to change and assume (correctly) that this was all part of the plan all along and that Boris and chums they had absolutely no intention of sticking too the legally binding international treaty they signed.
The fact that its a cobbled together bodge job isn't the EU's fault. The Brexiteers were told time and time again that this was the only viable option with regard to the GFA.
This was the case when Theresa May negotiated her deal (which Boris voted again, listing this specific reason as his objection) and it's still the case now. They airily waved these concerns away.
Nothing has changed.
Unfortunately, knowing as we do how Boris's mind works - the self-serving path of least resistance will be to renege on everything and scupper the deal with the EU, thus ending up with what the Brexiteers wanted all along - a full on 'no deal'
The fact that this would blow the GFA out of the water, probably bring on economic sanctions, and make us international pariahs, particularly with the Biden administration doesn't seem to bother them one bit.
So as you look towards the summer, the implications of this situation could be absolutely huge. You can tell by the inflammatory language they're using already that they're preparing for a typically Johnson-esque act of wanton and reckless stupidity
They saw this with their own eyes
You make it sound like it’s from the ground up. DUP politicians stoked this up, calling SF “the political elite”… (despite being in government in NI themselves, and having recently held the balance of power in the UK parliament)… the Brexit battle is ongoing for them, and they will continue to use the same tactics.
As someone who follows a fair amount of Right Wing Twitter accounts/bots to troll them when I’m in the mood their silence on the riots in NI is absolute.
So much this. Naturally, elements of the press are out in force to blame the failure of Brexit upon remainers. Just had a testy twitter exchange with Dan Hodges, of the Mail on Sunday for having the temerity to remind him that other Brexit options were available, but the ERG, the opaquely funded "think tanks" that are closely linked to government and the entire right wing media all shrieked endlessly in support of a spartan Brexit to the point that the DM declared that High Court judges who ruled that parliament had to be consulted for the Article 50 process were "enemies of the people". Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, Dacre and Desmond wanted nothing less than complete destruction of our relationship with the EU without troubling themselves to understand the ramifications, so it's entirely predictable that they're deflecting as much as possible.
I note that our resident forum Brexit cheerleaders/trolls have been v.v.quiet of late too.
You make it sound like it’s from the ground up.
But it's neither from the ground-up nor from the top down...These sorts of things are never as clear cut as that. the kids won't tell you they're doing this because of brexit, the Loyalist paramilitaries probably have their own agenda, the criminal gangs that are part of this, another one again, the political parties will both be tacitly encouraging it, and using it to further their own agendas, everybody gets to lay their own reasons on top the facts that the kids (from both sides) are probably having great time watching themselves on national news...
Everyone's a winner
As someone who follows a fair amount of Right Wing Twitter accounts/bots to troll them when I’m in the mood their silence on the riots in NI is absolute.
I’ve been reading a fair amount of ‘unwashed’ comments. Whenever there’s a protest or riot sparked off by some Right Wingery then they do like to throw bars of soap from the peanut gallery ivory tower. I see the bars as placeholders while they’re figuring out whether it will be best to blame the EU, The Irish in general, or ‘liberals’.
I'm sure the Union Jacks in the Reichstag Radisson of the media room is going down well in NI.
Of course the bellends are quiet about this. It is yet another example of something they were told would happen but dismissed as 'Project Fear'. They were either too stupid to see it, or more likely the case with NI don't give a shit.
A few protesters get roughed up in Bristol and Clapham and the mainstream media is frothing at the mouth, page after page of 'anarchy on the streets of England'.
Sustained rioting in the most incendiary part of the UK where many of the factions are still properly tooled up - barely a mention.
Don't mention the 'B Word'...
It's almost like a lot of people stand to gain a lot of money from it....
**** Brexit.
