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Why Del?


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 4:43 pm
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Because it's a number of EU countries, and the UK.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:03 pm
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Because it’s a number of EU countries, and the UK.

The UK Government have no shareholding in Airbus. BAE systems sold its stake to EADS in 2006.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:10 pm
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Like most multinationals then in terms of share holdings, what's the UK part? 20%?

Put yourself in the shoes of the The Airbus CEO. There's currently a deal signed and ratified by one side only. And the side that's signed in ignoring their side of the bargain whilst showing solidarity with the US and Boeing rahter than than Airbus and the EU. Seeing what could possible wrong if I were in the CEO's shoes I'd be taking the low level of orders to do some restructuring to reduce the risk of Brexit fallout costing me a fortune and delays down th eline. I think the UK share holders are likely to go along with that rather than oppose it.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:15 pm
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The UK Government have no shareholding in Airbus

Whoops! Thanks eb. I wear orthopedic shoes again. 😬


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:21 pm
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No, it’s not that. People are constantly being flattered – we’re always told to believe in ourselves and that we matter, our voices matter. Well, that’s true in some ways, but it has limits. We have to believe in ourselves after the required level of education and introspection – not just our knee-jerk responses. And we need to appreciate what we don’t know.

People vote for whatever sounds good, and it sounds good because it appeals to their prejudice and misconception. And the modern right has so little shame they don’t care about exploiting that.

I am conflating IQ with 'worldliness', 'naivety', 'gullibility' etc.

Ok - rather than decrease in IQ (strictly defined) I'll rephrase to increase in general stupidity.

If you don't seek out alternative views and ask yourself "why is this person saying this and who benefits?" then there is a large element of gullibility.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:22 pm
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There is no workable solution to the GFA issue that is acceptable to both sides. There never was.

Indeed.

So much for the 'Technology' that was going to save the day. Just more dead cat flim-flam from a bunch of shysters elected on the basis of a lie.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:25 pm
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Professor Michael Dougan, Professor of European Law at Liverpool University gives his thoughts on the latest developments with the Northern Ireland Protocol.
"What should we make of the latest developments over NI and the Protocol, i.e. UK’s (second, clear) breach of international legal obligations + escalation of DUP-led agitation through direct loyalist threats to GFA? A few thoughts...
The Most generous explanation for HMG’s actions? The Tories are now more worried about potential for DUP & paramilitary allies to plunge NI into serious disorder, than about immediate legal and diplomatic consequences of UK’s international lawbreaking
But more the likely explanation (since it fits into clear & established pattern), Johnson only ever signed Protocol to “get Brexit done” with no real grasp of its implications / sincere intention of implementing it in good faith, so HMG
simply places little value on own compliance
Combined with (in general) the ideologue’s belief in untrammelled state sovereignty, where rules are optional and obligations exist only for others; and (in particular) the Europhobe’s contempt for the EU, its very existence being a source for spite and antagonism
But UK conduct is unsustainable. We know the Protocol is result of choices made by Johnson & approved by Parliament; there is no credible alternative; it requires trust & cooperation to work; such trust requires honesty, not least about price NI must pay for Johnson’s Hard Brexit
Yet Johnson continues to cover his tracks & mislead the public: “The position of Northern Ireland within the UK internal market is rock solid and guaranteed”. It isn’t. The UK state decided (& it was a choice) that one cost of Hard Brexit = NI’s legal and economic segregation from GB
So long as Johnson refuses to be open and honest, certain NI unionists might believe there’s still a “better solution” - if only they can pile on enough pressure. There isn’t. NI unionists need to understand and accept a brute fact, however unpleasant it may be:
That English nationalists pursued Brexit regardless of cost to UK itself, with DUP's active assistance. No point complaining about threats to British identity, because the very meaning of “British identity” has been radically redefined by Tory Government and Parliament.
Would be right, eg for EU+US to pile serious pressure on Johnson Regime / make clear & tangible price to be paid by international delinquents. But ultimately NI’s stability depends on NI unionists accepting that Brexit changed everything, and the Tories need to stop lying about it."

Given how often Johnson has denied the existence of the Irish Sea border I'm really starting to think that he actually has no idea at all what he signed.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:27 pm
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It seems to be a recurring theme.

Brexiteer minister hasn't actually got a ****ing clue about the details and implications of Brexit deal


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:36 pm
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I’ll rephrase to increase in general stupidity

I don't think general stupidity has increased. What's increased is people's opinion of themselves. Before, they knew they knew nothing about a topic. Now, targeted social media campaigns are mis-informing them and they now think they are informed.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:40 pm
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It seems to be a recurring theme.

Christ.

I don't know what's worse.

Competent liars or incompetent liars.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 5:47 pm
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Now, targeted social media campaigns are mis-informing them and they now think they are informed.

Thinking you know something about a topic you actually have no idea about and accepting your own prejudices played back to you as 'fact' is a very real kind of stupidity.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 6:14 pm
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I’ll rephrase to increase in general stupidity.

People aren’t any more stupid, the tools used on them have become more and more sophisticated, and in the hands of people with a win at any cost attitude… no scruples, no morals, not even worried about the law… because once you’ve won, who cares what you broke in the process? What’s the come back? Nothing.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 6:16 pm
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It seems to be a recurring theme.

He just signs things he’s given to sign, assuming reading or understanding of what he signs is a misconception normal people have 🙂

He got probably the job as for his brexitness not any other merit.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 6:32 pm
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Well, getting a government job based on your 'brexityness' must either mean you are a:

Cretin - because still believing in this shitshow when you have access to all number of sources that will tell you it is a shitshow, must make you a cretin.

Exploiter - you know it is a shitshow for 99% of the people you are supposed to act in the best interests of, so you must be on the make financially/politically/both.

If you believe in Brexit in 2021 you are either a cretin or a crook.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 6:37 pm
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The whole electorate being dumber/living in media bubbles thing is interesting. I've always likened it to football fans. They tend to socialise with other football fans as they have a common interest that lends itself well to talking about it in lots of social situations. This naturally leads to them being in a bubble of everyone they know liking football. So when I turn up and say I don't have an opinion on the latest result or transfer move they look at me like I'm odd. For me most of my friends don't like football so when we socialise we talk about other things like bikes or F1 or (god forbid) politics. If they came into our group they would seem to be the outlier that likes football instead. Social and intellectual bubbles are nothing new, social media has just magnified their effects to a dangerous level.

PS I'm not saying football fans are dumb, some of the brightest people I know like the game!

And the UK press has suddenly been reminded that the EU parliament has yet to have its say and can turn a bad deal into no deal if it wishes.

This is something a lot of people have forgotten, the Deal is not across the line yet. The issue is if the EU do fail to ratify it then the govt and press can easily paint it as 'the nasty EU denying us our sovereignty'.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 7:13 pm
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Objectively people aren’t getting dumber

Well I am 🙁


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 7:16 pm
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In other news my local town Richmond North Yorkshire is level 1 for leveling up funding...

Finally we can get some proper alloys for our Range Rovers...


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 7:19 pm
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‘the nasty EU denying us our sovereignty’

But they would be delivering us full and unbridled sovereignty.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 7:20 pm
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sovereignty goes both ways, the brexidiots dont seem to get that.
the wheels are going to come off this cart well before the next election, there is no way they can keep this shit smelling of roses for long enough.

I think Starmer is right to bide his time (if that's what he's doing), too much criticism now and the Torys turn around and say its all your fault for not getting behind what people want (crazy I know but this seems to be their only attack line). He need to give them time to really own this shit and for more people to come around to the realities. Covid has turned out to be the perfect cover to brexit, the fog should start to lift soon.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 7:50 pm
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the fog should start to lift soon

I hope so, but the masses of brainwashed ****wits out there make me sceptical.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 8:02 pm
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Its not fog they have had their eyes poked out.


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 8:31 pm
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Its not fog they have had their eyes poked out.

And then the people that did it told them it was actually foreigners/asylum seekers/scroungers/brown people etc. that did it.

Amazing really.

🤦‍♂️


 
Posted : 04/03/2021 8:40 pm
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I think the smartest team negotiating didn’t rush to ‘ratify’ their signing of the agreement, have now seen 2 months of the behaviour of the other side.

Nasty eu, it’s alway the eu, in it or out of it they’re the bogeyman.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 8:32 am
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Its not fog they have had their eyes poked out.

Don’t need eyes to follow the true cult of Brexit thou 🙂

Isn’t it the three Brexit monkies.

Hear no evil of Brexit,
Say no evil of Brexit,
See no evil of Brexit.

I don’t think you’ll see a sudden wake up moment,re-joining bits of the eu will eventually be sold as Brexit being done.

Since Brexit means Brexit, everything and nothing is Brexit so it can be anything they want.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 8:50 am
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the fog should start to lift soon

That’s not how it works. Their bus runs exclusively on blaming foreigners, immigrants and ‘the left™’ (formerly ‘Remainiacs’), also known as ‘The Elite’, or something or some-such.

The blame-game is easily disguised as British Exceptionalism Triumphing At All Costs Even If It Takes Another 100 Years

Where's your Dunkirk Spirit? The fog is where the action happens. All hands to the smoke machine, or else you know where you can go!


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 9:04 am
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On a positive note no one else will want to leave the EU.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 9:08 am
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That’s not how it works.

Particularly not when 'fog generation' is a key political strategy of the perps.

On a positive note no one else will want to leave the EU.

Yeah, odd isn't it? Some of the more deranged Brexiteers seemed convinced their proto fascist project would spark uprisings of like-minded arsewipes and the EU would break up. Well, guess which bunch of gullible twunts jumped first and now the others seem to have gone mysteriously silent.

🇬🇧🍑💩🤦‍♂️

🇪🇺😂💰🥂


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 9:14 am
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I think the smartest team negotiating didn’t rush to ‘ratify’ their signing of the agreement,

This was not deliberate on their part, it was a result of the lateness of the agreement, and guess who was responsible for that?


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 9:31 am
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That’s not how it works. Their bus runs exclusively on blaming foreigners, immigrants and ‘the left™’ (formerly ‘Remainiacs’), also known as ‘The Elite’, or something or some-such.

According to a Twitter exchange I had this morning with a Unionist Leaver, anyone with a mortgage and/or own their home is an Elite - "Mortgages are for you privileged Euro-elites".


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 9:33 am
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^ ‘Elite’ can mean anything they want it to mean, and can be easily swapped for ‘foreigner/EU/immigrant/Islam-appeaser/ traitor. My Most Brexity Friend Forever (MBFF) has at least three houses and mortgages. I have none and am a ‘traitor’ for not backing their ‘shoot selves in the face’ clown show. I’m sure I’d be the ‘elite’ if I had a nice car.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 9:47 am
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^ ‘Elite’ can mean anything they want it to mean, and can be easily swapped for ‘foreigner/EU/immigrant/Islam-appeaser/ traitor. My Most Brexity Friend Forever (MBFF) has at least three houses and mortgages. I have none and am a ‘traitor’ for not backing their ‘shoot selves in the face’ clown show. I’m sure I’d be the ‘elite’ if I had a nice car.

Sounds like, first and foremost, he is a ****.

With plastic patriot in a close second.

No wonder he is keen on the likes of Farage, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 9:52 am
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This was not deliberate on their part, it was a result of the lateness of the agreement, and guess who was responsible for that?

Indeed. But even so, why would anyone rush to ratify an agreement with an utterly untrustworthy counterpart?

Yet again the rest of the world has just added another post-it note to the file labelled 'Future Relations with UK' and the note reads (again) "Do Not Trust".

How anyone thinks this kind of game playing in order to avoid confronting the lies and contradictions at the heart of Brexit isn't damaging our standing across the world, is beyond me.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 10:14 am
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'Elite' = anyone who dissents on any point, and is thus totally adaptable to any nasty argument. It is just mob politics and that never ends well.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 10:29 am
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The elites don't exist, what people are blaming is the system, which is an emergent property of society nobody has control over. Probably the ants in an ant colony think they are in control. </end pompous philosophising>


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 11:13 am
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what people are blaming is the system

'System', 'elites', 'traitors', 'enemies of the people', 'gloomsters', whatever.

It is all just a way of having a constant amorphous mass of 'otherdom' to direct the anger (caused by their petty insecurities) that lots of small-minded people have.

It is mob politics based on the (now apparent) entirely realistic assumption that enough people are petty enough, spiteful enough and gullible enough to go for it.

It is the politics of the eternally bitter and passive-aggressive. It is the devil on the shoulder saying "it is only your decency holding you back, go on, just be a bit racist, you'll feel better and you can always 'go back' to being a meek individual afterwards".


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 12:21 pm
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I've just heard a new word that can be used instead of Brexit.
'Britflounce'


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 6:28 pm
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Sigh

just got this from FedEx, unfortunately I have no idea how to fill out the customs form and the reagents Ive ordered are shipped on dry ice & will be no good if it thaws

last year it was a simple click & buy deal

Dear customer,

The FedEx Clearance Team is currently preparing the Customs clearance of your import. The goods may need to be held in our warehouse until the UK Customs clearance has been completed. A copy of the supplier's commercial invoice and other relevant documents to this import are attached for your convenience.

Where possible, please kindly reply to this email today with clearance instructions for this import to ensure that there are no unnecessary delays to your consignment. However, please note that we do require this within five working days at the latest. Should you not respond within this time, then we may be required to return the goods back to the sender and storage charges may apply. If sending an attachment, please use PDF format.

Your clearance instructions should include (but are not limited to) the following as applicable:
Ø Reason for Import or Customs Procedure Code (CPC) (seven digits):

Ø VAT/EORI number:
Ø Deferment Account Number (FedEx’s or your own seven digit number):
Ø Commodity Code (ten digits, if unsure, please use the link below to help):

https://www.tnt.com/express/en_gb/site/how-to/get-hs-code.html

For Inward/Outward Processing Relief and End Use only -
Ø IPR/OPR/EU Number (IP/nnnn/nnn/nn), (OP/nnnn/nnn/nn), (EU/nnnn/nnn/nn):

Ø Guarantee Account Reference Number (or enter your deferment number if using Deferment Deposit):
Ø Supervising Customs Office for your IPR/OPR/EU authorisation:

For Returned Goods Relief and OPR only -
Ø Original export Customs declaration (often termed NES entry or export SAD) number in the format nnn-LnnnnnL-dd/mm/yy:

Ø Please attach a copy of the export Customs declaration, export commercial invoice, and export AWB. However, where FedEx originally exported the goods from the UK, just providing our consignment number for the export will be sufficient as we can obtain the documents and export Customs declaration number internally. If sending an attachment, please use PDF format.

If you have any other clearance information required for this import, or documentation such as VAT exemption or duty relief certificates, licences, or preference certificates other than already attached, please also add these to your response. If sending an attachment, please use PDF format.
We look forward to your response. Thank you for choosing FedEx Express.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 6:55 pm
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Should that not have been done by the sender? Twenty minutes of form filling, plus £30 more courier charge, and 3 days longer to reach the client at the the other end... seems the norm once you've done 50 or so... but of course... The PM minister says there are no non-tariff barriers due to Brexit... and Lord Frost (unelected minister for stuffing up trade with Europe) says that our new non-tariff barriers don't matter, don't cause delays, and aren't costly... can they both be wrong while also contradicting each other? [ spoiler, yes they can ]


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 7:23 pm
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The PM minister says there are no non-tariff barriers due to Brexit… and Lord Frost (unelected minister for stuffing up trade with Europe) says that our new non-tariff barriers don’t matter, don’t cause delays, and aren’t costly… can they both be wrong while also contradicting each other? [ spoiler, yes they can ]

Well, let's face it, they used a non-issue to con people in order to get into power and enrich their mates.

Expecting them to know what the **** they are doing is optimistic to say the least.

All lies, all the time.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 7:37 pm
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@Kimbers

Been a while since I did this.

import code presume it’s a straight import, so should be lookable up. If you’re importing the goods and not planning to re export the rest of the message doesn’t seem to apply:

commodity code is the code which details the item https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/sections. If the supplier ships around the world they may already know the commodity code and could tell you it.

Ipr and opr are for if the goods have a relief from duty - IPR you import something, the duty is held in abeyance you carry out a process on it and then you export it again removing the duty liability. OPR - outward processing relief - you have exported goods for a function to be carried out on them so the duty liability is removed or reduced as they were UK goods to start off with. Any duty due depends on how much they have changed through processing.

Both these used to require you to be pre-authorised to carry out this duty deferment by HMRC and you would have a authority number indicating this.

End use is similar and again iirc needs to be pre-authorised.

RGR is when goods have been exported but are being returned such as warranty claim being sent back.

IANA customs agent!


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 7:41 pm
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Was chatting to a Polish guy on site today, his take on it was that Brexit was bloody stupid but it didn't really affect him as he'd been here long enough to have both a Polish & UK passport.


 
Posted : 05/03/2021 8:24 pm
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Census form filling to say you are European - if you want to be.
Sort of the new Jedi.


 
Posted : 08/03/2021 2:14 pm
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...it didn’t really affect him as he’d been here long enough to have both a Polish & UK passport.

Windrush anyone? Having a UK passport and living here most/all of your life won't save you if at some point the government gets the Home Office treating you as an undesirable foreigner to appeal to their base. If he can afford it, he should seriously consider getting full citizenship.


 
Posted : 08/03/2021 3:15 pm
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Thanks @kilo!!


 
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