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Indeed. And fair play to Tory MP Tobias Ellwood who appears to have tried to save the officer.
Agreed.
Four dead. Such sad news.
One of those was the attacker.
Yes BBC say Four Dead and TWENTY injured and in a "catastrophic" state.
Well done all those posters who laughed it off and who the Piss.
We know who you are, you have outed yourselves as tossers.
Find somewhere else to post your vitriol you pathetic individuals.
Home now, lots of armed police at Waterloo.
I think the point being made about the response to the attack vs other deaths today that will go unreported is that by focusing so much on incidents like this we don't take probably more preventable and likely deaths seriously enough. The other point being the bigger result for the perpetrator is the disruption, fear, diversion of resources to what intrinsically is a relatively minor incident in terms of those directly affected. Makes it worth some other loner having a go.
That said the trauma for those directly involved is horrific, hopefully not something that will become life defining but the more fuss made about it by people cashing in on the event (politicians and especially the media) the more likely it will.
I'd say my thoughts are with those involved but like 99.9% of the people watching this unfold saying so is meaningless words.
I think the point being made by others is to talk about it in a different thread or maybe just wait before discussing it.
From a friend via Facebook:
[i]4 People dead including the attacker. 20 Injured. The man in the car tried to continue the attack. Police officers returning from a commendation ceremony were involved. Search is continuing as whilst police believe only one individual involved, they are not being complacent.[/i]
"It took 5 to 10 mins for police to arrive"? Is that possible?
[url] http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39355940 [/url]
speaking that must have the additional police, there's plenty on duty in the immediate vicinity which today included a fairly senior officer who was a significant witness.
That's what I thought. The whole area is usually thick with Police.
bikebouy - MemberYes BBC say Four Dead and TWENTY injured and in a "catastrophic" state.
Well done all those posters who laughed it off and who the Piss.
We know who you are, you have outed yourselves as tossers.
Find somewhere else to post your vitriol you pathetic individuals.
Growing up it was the IRA, then that calmed down in time for the Soho bombings then a bit later it was 7/7. I know many people impacted by events in London and the surrounds.
Tomorrow the majority of the workers in Westminster will get up and go to work as normal. They will not want to think about what happened. Just like many of the tube commuters who probably won't want to think about traveling in a hundred year old tunnel under the river and the quality of the construction/maintenance but will still do it.
Using humour as a way to normalise the event to help you keep doing you day to day activities is not such a bad thing.
It is a sad event but unless you are directly impacted traumatising yourself by getting upset won't be good for your health.
Just read on yon Twittersphere that the murderer was a well-known radical. Not naming names as is not confirmed but if it was the guy then his [s]Twitter account[/s] multiple Twitter accounts appear to be suspended :-/
What does Radical mean (in this instance)? Radical about what?
Twitter saying it is Trevor Brooks, remember him ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/35262460
Growing up it was the IRA
Growing up and being called a provo, a paddy, to **** off back to Ireland. and hearing general abuse for being of Irish decent really makes you feel welcome!
Labeling all Muslims as terrorists does no one any favours. In every group there are idiots, remember Jo Cox!
Deal with the idiots but don't white wash entire groups.
Radical = Extreme I think.
What does Radical mean (in this instance)? Radical about what?
spekkie, I used 'radical' here as a noun.
ie 'militant, zealot, extremist, fanatic, diehard'
*edit - obv won't detail any more as is not confirmed AFAIK
I'd be wary of "News Executive" they don't sound like a massively credible agency.
Given the surveillance of that area and the apparent number of police witnesses, I'm puzzled how there is any uncertainty about the number of attackers or the number of cars involved. Maybe it's just media reporting whatever anyone tells them rather than anything sourced from intelligence.
Given the surveillance of that area and the apparent number of police witnesses, I'm puzzled how there is any uncertainty about the number of attackers or the number of cars involved. Maybe it's just media reporting whatever anyone tells them rather than anything sourced from intelligence.
I would go with the police releasing facts once 100% certain, it does no favours to state something then have to retract it later. So i would say they know who was involved but won't say. Also the issue of getting next of kin etc informed first rather than having the The Sun or Mail knocking on the door!
"It took 5 to 10 mins for police to arrive"? Is that possible?
Very likely I would have thought, the Met police are stretched to their limits, and beyond. I frankly don't know how they cope, well I guess they don't really.
Photo just shown on the news looks a lot like the guy in the Twitter feeds on the previous page.
I think the tolerance of these preacher types will go down a tad.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/abu-izzadeen-london-terror-attacks-westminster-who-is-he-police-politicians-a7644626.html ]Independent 15 mins ago[/url]
*edit
The media are tripping over themselves wth?
Channel4 rowing back from the identification claim...
Apparently the original guy (him ^^^) is still in prison!
Using humour as a way to normalise the event to help you keep doing you day to day activities is not such a bad thing.
I have a dark humour always have but my job means it's even darker but there's a time and place. It's not on this thread and it's not now.
Oh great, now a convicted terrorist will make millions in compensation when he sues the news agencies for slander!
we are reaping what we sowed some time ago unfortunately.
[url= http://www.rferl.org/a/iran-coup-mossadegh-cia-60th-anniversary/25076552.html ]Iran 1953[/url]
Everyone has a sosie (look alike). Oh well
Only just heard about this. Thoughts go out to the families of the injured and dead. Kudos to all those members of the public and emergency services that helped. As others have already said concentrate on the good that was done in the aftermath, don't give in to what the perpetrators want.
Sadly 4 people dead, more seriously injured, quite a few traumatised for a long time, just like a re run of the ira conflicts in the late 70,s and onwards, life must go on or theyve won.
I have a dark humour always have but my job means it's even darker but there's a time and place. It's not on this thread and it's not now.
In your opinion, of course. Or are you the arbiter of taste here?
Actually yes he probably is. & a good thing too.
In your opinion, of course. Or are you the arbiter of taste her
Not just mine. Yes as I mod I am hence why we've edited some posts already.
In your opinion, of course. Or are you the arbiter of taste here?
See the words Moderator next to Drac's name, have a guess what they mean?
^what he said.
They'll have a damn good idea, but until they've processed witness statements and studied cctv in great depth, it would be inappropriate to make judgement, things might be missed, there may have been an accomplice around the corner that wasn't really noticed.
And if the initial police statement turns out to be wrong, they'd get crucified for being hasty, incompetent, etc.
Very sad news indeed.
Lets hope it was a lone individual and if not ,they find his cohorts quick sharp.
I can't believe that some people think this thread might be the place and time for humour.
WTF is wrong with people?
Yeah it's been a weird day down here. Coppers everywhere since mid afternoon, dozens out at Waterloo and London Bridge, it's such a shame that a person felt motivated to do this.
I must say this shift to using vehicles as weapons seems a threat that's hard to counter but as ever Londoners just go about their business as usual. I hope that, as someone said earlier, this doesn't taint a whole group over the actions of an obviously very troubled man.
Sad day, but it was always "when" not "whether"...
I walked that way yesterday at exactly the same time heading back to Waterloo, but in the main take a slightly different route, explaining to my wife that my walk typically involves passing at least three points with armed police - MOD, Horseguards and Duke of York steps - always a comfort factor
Visiting Parliament, security is a bit more discrete than some other places I visit - expect that'll change.
The sad fact is that many of the people on Westminster Bridge at that time of day are tourists.
Fortunately, this will just firm-up the greater public's resolve against these idiots
I feel pretty sorry for the MET having to guard these places with the lack of resources they have.
I'd be happy to see the RMP used to swell their numbers on the ground in these places, if that made them feel safer.
Visited London twice this year, as someone based in Belfast I was surprised by the amount of police presence I saw. It's far more than I see in Belfast and at least comparible with pre 1995 levels I would guess.
humour is one way of dealing with it, lashing out at those using humour is another. either can be distasteful to others. but thats life eh. 33 killed in Syria attack today, doesnt have its own thread
good work and reactions from many involved today, it wont change our collective direction, in future there will be time to be sad if you want just as there is a place for the darkest humour
this isnt a memorial thread its news and comment, keep it short of inciteful and carry on.
IMHO obvz
soobalias - Member33 killed in Syria attack today, doesnt have its own thread
So what stopped you starting a thread on the subject then?