SportScotland rules on Performance & Professional level sport allow for managed group activity.
But we’re doomed as a species because people are morons.
Since day one. The only thing left to decide on is timescales.
I’m sure there are some people that are flaunting the rules because they truly think Covid is a hoax.
Flouting the rules. They can be flaunting their flouting of the rules by posting pictures of themselves on social media in large groups on a Welsh hillside, for example.
Don’t forget, those with (already receiving) a nice hefty final salary or triple lock pension will be doing alright out of the upcoming recession too.
I'm not quite sure how that has anything to do with this thread? but please correct me If I have missed something.
We popped to our shop and surprised to see how many shops are open.
Dry cleaners, WH Smith’s and lock shop are properly open. Other shops have a table in the door and are serving people there.
Elsewhere Hotel Chocolat are open as they “sell food”.
Garden centres are open. The roads are busy.
It’s not a lock down.
Doesn't bother me if groups are walking around outside, cycling along the road together, walking around outside in garden centres etc,. as people need to do something and the risk of spreading virus doing those things is negligible.
If people are still sitting around in each others lounges for hours or having parties that is another thing but I would guess the numbers doing the former activities far outweigh the latter and the former are the ones you see.
Forget worrying about the rules and just ask yourself if what the people are doing is high risk or negligible risk.
And your contribution’s fitted right in.
Why thank you.
I see it all the time too, if it bothers you that much, and 'boils your piss', go say something ffs. Much like Kryton, I have no wish to take on board this stuff.
I don't think the majority think it's a hoax, or are even ignorant of the virus. I just think they're "using their common sense" and weighing up their own risks.
It's been around a while, it kills a very small minority of people, and that number gets even smaller the younger you are. Yes, you may get ill, but the majority don't and those that do it's not horrendous for large numbers.
We've spent 8 months under some kind of restrictions and now people have a degree of fatigue from it. Guidance lacks logic, partly as the government refuses to release any research on what shapes their policies.
So yeah, people are going to flout it.
Doesn’t bother me if groups are walking around outside, cycling along the road together, walking around outside in garden centres etc,. as people need to do something and the risk of spreading virus doing those things is negligible.
If people are still sitting around in each others lounges for hours or having parties that is another thing but I would guess the numbers doing the former activities far outweigh the latter and the former are the ones you see.
Forget worrying about the rules and just ask yourself if what the people are doing is high risk or negligible risk
This, really.
I’m not quite sure how that has anything to do with this thread? but please correct me If I have missed something.
In a reference to the comment I replied to - that those we are supposed to be protecting (over 65s) are the ones least likely (in their anecdotal experience, and mine) to comply with rules of indoor mixing, correct mask wearing, and so on.
It was a (not entirely serious) suggestion that an ongoing pandemic and consequent economic downturn would be in their interest financially, and therefore they are deliberately attempting to prolong and exacerbate it.
Urgh, the whole thing is irritating. I don’t generally care about what other people do, but their actions affect all of us.
Piss-takers are having their fun whilst the rest of us (mostly rule-abiding people) suffer AND the lockdown suffering will last longer if people take the piss. If days of liberty are a currency (it’s certainly what I live for), these people are literally taking it from the rest of us.
A month? or less ago we were being told and paid to eat out...
Plus! It’s only for a month*! Just ride solo or 1+1 for a few weekends! Group rides can surely wait?
We missed the chance of a month ... instead we were paying people to go spread the virus until it's too late.. and now it will either be much much longer or we just wasted everything done since March
I’m sure there are some people that are flaunting the rules because they truly think Covid is a hoax. There are many more people who just can’t be arsed and are acting selfishly.
When the hoax information is way more convincing than the lies the government are releasing that's hardly surprising.
What I don’t get is why people are so brazenly flaunting it
He didn't bother, so why should anyone else
I see it all the time too, if it bothers you that much, and ‘boils your piss’, go say something ffs. Much like Kryton, I have no wish to take on board this stuff.
Don't read it then. Other threads are available.
Weird.
Two reasons:
1. Two wrongs don't make a right - as we were taught at primary school age.
2. He's a belllend
If schools are open, so my kids are mixing with approx 100 kids, my wife is a teacher so mixing with again another 100 different pupils and approx 10 adults. This is on a daily basis.
This is where I get confused to be honest. I am going to ride solo on the road, but on Sunday I was at a trail centre that was full of groups, riders and walkers (I was solo and avoided the busy areas).
I’m actually ok with the thought of outdoors adults mixing in larger numbers because we are allowing mixing in schools. Which I also agree with. But I’m still conflicted by it.
I really feel for the youngsters though. We are essentially stopping their freedom, we’ve had ours, I remember my teen and twenties and really feel for the kids. I don’t know the answers, just saying I get why people are breaking the rules.
As an aside my parents are high risk, live in Liverpool, not seen them since Feb. My uncle died of Covid in August. I can see both sides of the argument. Sorry for a messy post, which probably reflects my confusion/confliction.
Don’t read it then. Other threads are available.
Mibbe a moderator could combine all the greetin into one big tissue thread? 😉
^^^^
Oooh, just one punch, please.
Edit: Aimed at Cummings smarmy mekon mug.
I just think they’re “using their common sense” and weighing up their own risks.
The thing you have to understand with common sense is, it's not all that common.
Yes, you may get ill, but the majority don’t and those that do it’s not horrendous for large numbers.
And that in a nutshell perfectly describes the attitude of these arseholes. "I might get a bit sick, who cares?" Sure, they probably won't die, but how about when they pop round to visit their mum or grandfather and their "common sense" infects them? I mean, they probably deserve to die, right? It's their own fault for raising selfish morons who can't see past the end of their own uncovered germ-ridden nose.
I went out for a road ride yesterday and was absolutely amazed how busy it was - the country park local to my house was so busy cars were dumped on verge on the road outside, and a saw multiple large groups of walkers/Roadies and MTBers.
Its a difficult message to get across when quite a lot of retail, and all the schools are still open. It makes little sense that my Teacher wife can mix with 1400 people at work everyday, but we can't meet close family indoors.
As for why are people ignoring it - Dominic Cummings.
And that in a nutshell perfectly describes the attitude of these arseholes. “I might get a bit sick, who cares?” Sure, they probably won’t die, but how about when they pop round to visit their mum or grandfather and their “common sense” infects them? I mean, they probably deserve to die, right? It’s their own fault for raising selfish morons who can’t see past the end of their own uncovered germ-ridden nose.
And I agree, and the nature of common sense is that it's not consistent between every one.
But.
The majority of those parents/grandparents won't die either. Some will, but the vast majority won't.
And some of said grandparents will have decided that seeing their grand kids is worth the risk. And some are lonely and just want some company, irrelevant of the consequences.
As I say, I agree with a lot of what you say, but I also don't think it's as simple as saying everyone who breaks the rules is a selfish moron.
Running a village shop, this lockdown is completely different to last time around.... But I wouldn't say I've seen any rule breaking, more bending the rules.
We've a dentist in the village (cosmetic predominantly), and I was just asked where a patient could park their camper van for a couple of night.... Now dentist's are allowed to carry on working, and you can travel all over the country for dentistry. So no real rule breaking....
All of the (office based) businesses in the area are also still running this time rather than sending staff home or asking them to work from home.....
SO….people might think, well, if it’s safe enough for me to be in the office with 50 other dirty humans, then it’s safe enough for me to meet the parents for a walk so they can see the grandkids…
Basically that, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, times a lot of people.
I don’t think the majority think it’s a hoax, or are even ignorant of the virus. I just think they’re “using their common sense” and weighing up their own risks.
I know common sense for the hard of thinking is an alien concept & this is why rules and laws exist, but my approach is just that, using my common sense.
I find it hard to be offended by Rachael Atherton & a group of mates out on bikes when over the last month hundreds of riders were racing world cups together.
As I say, I agree with a lot of what you say, but I also don’t think it’s as simple as saying everyone who breaks the rules is a selfish moron.
I'm on a conference call right now listening to a colleague talking about the funeral he attended last week for his otherwise fit and healthy uncle who recently died from Covid.
And some are lonely and just want some company, irrelevant of the consequences.
And at the risk of repeating myself, it's not just about them.
Some of the points made by various posters are large parts of the problem.
-Schools/uni's still open and "bubbles" that are pretty large, but cant then socialise with said bubble outside of school.
-a lot more shops etc still open
-Dom Cum being let off in lockdown 1
-"I'm alright Jack" attitude
-People absolutely HAVING to watch pro sport
Etc etc
The trouble is, presumably everyone has been applying their 'common sense' since the last lockdown ended (nothing changed for us), and this is where we are.
I’m on a conference call right now listening to a colleague
Same call, another colleague has just said his friend's dad died during the first lockdown.
Original colleague replied he lost his Father in law to it also.
How hard is it to wash your hands and wear a $%^&ing mask?
I suppose according to the loons they are 'crisis actors'.
Like that Cougar, feels like that sometimes!
I find it hard to be offended by Rachael Atherton & a group of mates out on bikes when over the last month hundreds of riders were racing world cups together.
The world cup had non stop covid testing for all involved. Much more controlled than a bunch of random mates riding together.
The thing you have to understand with common sense is, it’s not all that common.
Yes, you may get ill, but the majority don’t and those that do it’s not horrendous for large numbers.
And that in a nutshell perfectly describes the attitude of these arseholes. “I might get a bit sick, who cares?” Sure, they probably won’t die, but how about when they pop round to visit their mum or grandfather and their “common sense” infects them? I mean, they probably deserve to die, right? It’s their own fault for raising selfish morons who can’t see past the end of their own uncovered germ-ridden nose.
These "arseholes" are simply acting in a perfectly predictable way they have been set up to follow.
I think it's a bit unfair to class them as arseholes any more than someone who succumbs to a marketing campaign or whatever.
Effectively they are just following the programming (for want of a better word).
Any Cummingsalike should have and must have known this would be the case.
Two reasons:
1. Two wrongs don’t make a right – as we were taught at primary school age.
2. He’s a belllend
I agree, but the reality is a lot of people looked at Cummings getting off with his Tour De England and decided **** it, they're doing what they want
These “arseholes” are simply acting in a perfectly predictable way they have been set up to follow.
Oh, no arguments there, sadly it's been entirely predictable.
I think it’s a bit unfair to class them as arseholes any more than someone who succumbs to a marketing campaign or whatever.
True. They could just be a bit thick.
Sorry, but I'm through with excuses and apologists, it's pathetic. We're in the middle of a global ****ing pandemic. The more people who think the rules don't apply them, the longer this crap will be going on for and I for one would like my life back at some point.
Someone wants see Death Wish Granny then fill your boots but for gods' sake do it safely, wear a mask, wash your hands, do it outside, stop mauling stuff. There is literally no justifiable excuse not to take basic, simple, easy precautions unless you have a particular disability preventing you and - spoiler - you most likely do not.
Same call, another colleague has just said his friend’s dad died during the first lockdown.
Original colleague replied he lost his Father in law to it also.
I get it, I really do. I too lost someone very early on in this and 2 friends have lost parents. It's crap, truly crap. It doesn't take away from the fact that even so, the majority of people who catch it don't die, and are barely even ill.
But, whether it's right or not, people are weighing up the risks v's reward. And for a good few people that means bending or breaking the rules. You may not like it, but they are. And it's exactly what our good friends in The cabinet have done since March.
I still maintain that the vast majority of those people (not The Cabinet, they are) are not "selfish morons".
True. They could just be a bit thick.
Sorry, but I’m through with excuses and apologists, it’s pathetic. We’re in the middle of a global ****ing pandemic. The more people who think the rules don’t apply them, the longer this crap will be going on for and I for one would like my life back at some point.
It's not just thick.... not everyone has time or expertise or time to get expertise.
The red top papers don't help.... but its also entirely predictable that's how "people" as a group react.
It's classic Orwellian doublethink....
the ability to hold two completely contradictory thoughts simultaneously while believing both of them to be true. It also refers to deliberately choosing to forget memories and losing the ability to form independent thoughts.
Someone wants see Death Wish Granny then fill your boots but for gods’ sake do it safely, wear a mask, wash your hands, do it outside, stop mauling stuff. There is literally no justifiable excuse not to take basic, simple, easy precautions unless you have a particular disability preventing you and – spoiler – you most likely do not.
As has been clearly articulated you don't NEED to have a disability, you simply need to say yopu have and it's illegal for it to be questioned.
I'm being extremely careful... I have a biopsy next Monday I can't have if I test positive but it's beyond my control as I also can't have it if anyone in my household is told to self isolate.
1 Kid at a Covid + school
1 Teacher at a Covid + school
so my reality is what I do is almost immaterial to me getting first the biopsy and second if it turns out bad then treatment.
As I mentioned there was a group of MTBers openly discussing how they could go into the small shop at Peaslake (Makes Heptonstall look like a metropolis) without using the FREE masks and handgel.
People are just tired of contradictions and lies from the Government and instead choosing whatever version of a "truth" is convenient.
The government has left way too much of this up to individuals. They have a crack team of scientists who are scrutinising everything as best as they can and coming up with guidelines. And then they allow every idiot to make their own assessment. NO! People that have no idea about how to control a pandemic should not be given any flexibility of thought.
Of course this government's ulterior motive is to downplay the importance of science so perhaps it's understandable that they allow it to be ignored.
As has been clearly articulated you don’t NEED to have a disability, you simply need to say yopu have and it’s illegal for it to be questioned.
I don't think that's true in the UK. Most of the precautions are not law anyway, but trial by public opinion will mostly find people guilty for not wearing masks. Although there is a tiny handful of people who can't wear masks, the overwhelming majority of people can wear a mask just fine. At this stage, anti-maskers look foolish and are only making it harder for people with genuine reasons (not to wear a mask) to be accepted.
The more people who think the rules don’t apply them, the longer this crap will be going on for and I for one would like my life back at some point.
Yeah, this.
I still maintain that the vast majority of those people (not The Cabinet, they are) are not deliberately “selfish morons”
FTFY
People are, sadly, often hard of thinking.
I went out for a road ride yesterday and was absolutely amazed how busy it was – the country park local to my house was so busy cars were dumped on verge on the road outside, and a saw multiple large groups of walkers/Roadies and MTBers.
Thing is where else do people have to go? Shops, pubs, coffee shops, restaurants, all shut. Can't have friends over your house how so unless you just sit inside all you can do is go for a walk. I went for a gravel ride on the weekend and it was the same stretches that would normally be empty were full of people.
Although there is a tiny handful of people who can’t wear masks, the overwhelming majority of people can wear a mask just fine. At this stage, anti-maskers look foolish and are only making it harder for people with genuine reasons (not to wear a mask) to be accepted.
You and I think they are foolish .. perhaps most of STW but on the whole they think differently and increasingly being followed by less avid anti-maskers for whom it's just convenience and a bandwagon to jump on.
wow - another "Im right, you are an idiot thread" - are these educating the dumbass masses? #slowhandclap.
whether it’s right or not, people are weighing up the risks v’s reward.
What 'reward' do they get from wearing a mask on their chin rather than their face?
I do understand it to a point. There's plenty of stuff I want to do and it's always going to be a compromise between staying safe and still having something approaching a life. But you can (say) go to the pub with your household, sit on tables with decent separation between them, in a well-ventilated room with good ventilation or better yet outside, or you can hold a rave with 50 of your closest friends all shoulder-to-shoulder. Both of these activities carry a risk but those risks are significantly different.
I'm not talking about putting life on hold indefinitely, that's just not practical. But it's short-term pain for long-term gain and if you're still walking round Tesco with your nose hanging out over the top of your mask then (actual non-fictional disabilities excepted) I stand by my original sentiment, you're either a moron or a selfish arsehole. And if you're not then please stop making excuses for these people because it just serves to legitimise their behaviour.
another “Im right, you are an idiot thread”
Feel free to highlight any errors in my argument rather than just throwing stones. If you've got a dazzling insight that I've overlooked as to why walking round a supermarket without wearing a mask is a smart thing to do, I'm all ears.
The more people who think the rules don’t apply them, the longer this crap will be going on for and I for one would like my life back at some point.
This is the key for me now. I understand the frustration, the confusion, the defiance, the "choice " to take their chances.
But every single one of those individual decisions potentially delays the chance to have this thing back under control so we can all have a more normal life back. Making those choices for whatever reason is either selfish, ignorant or stupid. Or a combination of the above.
Doing what we've been asked to do, whether we think we know better or not, will shorten the period of time we have to do it for.
I'm past getting angry and het up about it now. Just resigned. I hope it ****ing kills them before they kill me or my loved ones.
I went out for a road ride yesterday and was absolutely amazed how busy it was
I went outside and was amazed to see other people had done the same thing...
School has asked parents to wear masks to pickup - around a quarter are not bothering. I frankly find this pathetic.
