I genuinely don’t get why he has so many supporters amongst MPs and especially in the wider party membership. I mean even if they don’t care about what his leadership has done to the country and even if they don’t care about his flagrant disregard of his own laws, surely they must see he has basically blown up his own party? There was an MP for Great Grimsby on PM last night - she started of sounding like a normal Tory then just went in to a rant about how Boris was the hardest working MP she had ever seen and how he had been brought down by the media! I mean it was like she had been brainwashed by the worse kind of Facebook conspiracy theorists. There was not the slightest recognition that her party was disintegrating in real time and that it wasn’t Brexit or migration or the cost of living that was causing it but the actions of a man child.
why do they not see the obvious?
Runs in the Nadine Dorries by election?
Can’t be censored or recalled as that was a previous BoJo?
a bit like administration and a NewCo?
The haunted Victorian pencil has stated
Thats "sir" haunted Victorian pencil. Those sort of statements have earned him a reward.
Its fascinating looking at how they are trying to spin it as a lack of democracy when he has avoided that by dodging the recall byelection.
Runs in the Nadine Dorries by election?
Unlikely. If he is going to go for reelection I would bet on him taking the year out to earn lots without the tedium of having to report it and then just before the election have one of his cult members resign.
That way he can line himself up as the saviour with no blame for the highly likely defeat and also limit the options for Sunak and co to block him getting a seat.
why do they not see the obvious?
Because they are entirely detached from reality
Their ‘otherness’ from us plebs is now total. Westminster is literally like a medieval court. That’s what ‘Man of the People’ Boris turned it into. To be fair, it was almost there when he arrived
It’s a shiny castle on the hill. They live there surrounded by snivelling courtiers telling them exactly what they want to hear
These people haven’t the remotest idea what it’s like to deal with all the recent increases in mortgage payments, let alone what it’s like to live on Universal Credit and be dependent on food banks to eat
This is all just a game to them
Runs in the Nadine Dorries by election?
That's bound to leave a nasty taste in Dorries' mouth, and not for the first time.
Johnson cannot run again without conservative central office approval which it seems he is unlikely to get
He can run as an indy, obviously. But he won't do that because he'd probably lose. Would be funny to have Boris running as an indy in some true blue seat, and Corbyn doing the same in Islington North. I know which one is most likely to win.
Either way, it feels to me like we have a general election incoming in the autumn, or even sooner, if Sunak sees bad economic news arriving before 2024. Would he want to fight in May 2024 after a protracted open civil war in the party, interest rates above 5%, inflation still relatively high, recession, and with the voters still eyeing their heating bills from the previous winter?
Nadine Dorries by election?
Isn't that why she and others have resigned, to give him options of a safe seat somehwhere?
Dorries resigned in a fit of pique because she thought Sunak had blocked her peerage. No doubt urged on by Johnson to increase the impact of his own resignation. Useful idiot as always. Johnson cannot stand as a Conservative candidate anywhere without the blessing of the party - they have a list of 'approved candidates'. In theory he could even be de-selected in Uxbridge if enough influence was brought to bear on the local committee and members.
Dorries was standing down at the next election anyway, it was just a **** you to Sunak for not letting her into the HoL.
That may be true for the Rees-mogs and Nadines who probably couldn’t place their constituency on a map even if it was ringed by a highlighter but it doesn’t hold for the backbenchers like the MP I mentioned or the wider party members. They have no peerage to gain or any way of benefiting from a party meltdown. They maybe selfish racists with a fat pension but surely they want a successful Tory party? I guess they are just more stupid and easily led than even I give them credit for?
Hmmm. Obviously lacking a crystal ball (not good on a bike saddle anyway) I’m not going to say what will happen, I’m just adding 2&2 and getting a number somewhere between 3 and 5 (rounding errors 🤷🏻♂️).
So Nadine says she’s not running again but won’t resign because of the by-election issue.
Borris gets a report where he would have to run in a by-election with a low majority.
Within the hour Nadine (huge Tory majority) resigns as does Nigel (almost as big majority) either of which seats have a majority 3-4 times the one Boris doesn’t want to fight.
And then the newly knighted JRM starts warning the Tories not to resist Boris seeking re-election or there will be civil war.
I agree, it’s not likely, but it’s not impossible and it’s consistent as a story. Unlike Boris who isn’t consistent - but is unlikely in so many ways.
Best place for Boris right now is cast adrift on a boat, floating around the UK.
igm - I wouldn't be surprised if that was the idea but in practice its not going to happen
Because they are entirely detached from reality
But they still know what prejudices to pander to in the electorate. They aren't as detached as you think - they have utter disdain for us plebs, obviously, but they have enough cynical electioneers who know the correct buttons to press around nationalism, racism, intolerance etc.
But that is a two way street. The electorate was conned into voting against its own interests by a crude racist-nationalist campaign. We can't complain that they treat us like morons when we act like morons.
Thats “sir” haunted Victorian pencil.
Your occasional reminder that just because they give themselves silly titles and gaudy baubles, you do not have to play along.
Read or heard somewhere that if he did just jump in to Mad Nad's safe seat he'd still have to face the music over the whole lying bit so imagine it'll be a while before the turd bobs back to the surface.
he’d still have to face the music over the whole lying bit so imagine it’ll be a while before the turd bobs back to the surface.
He'll reappear fronting the Boris Johnson Show on GBeebies or as the face of some populist campaign - at this stage it could be anything from "rip out the cycle lanes" to "rejoin EU" - although that's likely to be after a lucrative little speaking tour of the States as the guest of honour at some Republican shindigs as he backs whatever abhorrent far right shit they've got winding up for the presidential elections.
Interesting story about his resignation honours list. Looks like half of those he nominated were rejected by the peerages committee. Very unusual
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/11/boris-johnson-peerages-honours-list-row
“Boris to run for president of US”
Theoretically at least that would be possible as he was born in New York State,
have to be resident for a significant number of years as well as US born and a US citizen IIRC
Boris to run for president of US
Not withstanding TJ’s sensible comment above - - -
Borris Johnston - the Nigel Mansell of politics - but less Brummie.
Not withstanding TJ’s sensible comment above – – –
Bookmarked for future use 🙂
Your occasional reminder that just because they give themselves silly titles and gaudy baubles, you do not have to play along.
Your occasional reminder mentioning something isnt playing along. It helps point out the stupidity of it.
I guess we are lucky its just a bauble and not a seat in the lords to make decisions.
Speaking of which Houchen is a somewhat odd choice to get approval considering the current questions.
Theoretically at least that would be possible as he was born in New York State,
He did give up citizenship though since they kept sending him tax bills.
So would keep the lawyers amused as to whether if he did regain citizenship that would count as natural born citizen still or not.
I reckon he'll end up as editor of the Daily Telegraph.
Does this mean Brexit is officially dead now?
These people haven’t the remotest idea what it’s like to deal with all the recent increases in mortgage payments, let alone what it’s like to live on Universal Credit and be dependent on food banks to eat
This is all just a game to them
There’s an article on travelling with Rishi on the U.K. plane.
They don’t even travel like normal people, flying privately is so different to what we now have to put up with.
I don’t think they actually use anything they as a government are supposedly responsible for.
All the things they have screwed up are all things they don’t use or the cost makes no difference.
Does this mean Brexit is officially dead now?
It’s just sleeping.
Gotta find and elect a government with a political desire to get back in.
Does this mean Brexit is officially dead now?
Cancers don't just give up.
Does this mean Brexit is officially dead now?
Quite an interesting question, was/is Brexit intrinsically linked to Bozza? Or was it merely the runaway political freight train he lashed his career to?
I'd contend that we're stuck with Brexit despite Boris leaving the commons. Both as a tiresome political topic for various figures to try and convince the hard of thinking to vote their way, and the practical reality of its implementation (or lack thereof). Brexit will never be 'done', it is our national burden forevermore...
These people haven’t the remotest idea what it’s like to deal with all the recent increases in mortgage payments, let alone what it’s like to live on Universal Credit and be dependent on food banks to eat
Disagree.
This doesn't apply to all of them, in fact a goodly number are just ordinary working folk in a middle-income paying job that can disappear on a whim - but you wouldn't think that with how they act. And after the next election there'll be a fair number of them signing on, just like the rest of us would when we've lost our job and haven't another lined up.
I'm not feeling sorry for them, just pointing out reality.
We already know how this will go. Farage has already been wanging on for years that 'Brexit has been Betrayed', Boris has already flagged up that he plans to bang the same drum.
You'd think that'd be a step too far for the man who negotiated the withdrawal agreement then claimed to have 'Got Brexit Done' , but that would be massively underestimating both how brazen he is and also how stupid the average ERG Boris-supporting backbencher is
Gove on Radio 4 just now. Should be on Fighting Talk on Radio 5.
Brexit will never be ‘done’, it is our national burden forevermore
Yep anything we do to diverge from the eu will will trigger stuff against us and anyway we haven’t implemented the import checks fully.
It’s not a binary thing more of an ongoing ordeal that they won’t really want to talk about.
Gove on Radio 4 just now. Should be on Fighting Talk on Radio 5.
He'd get full points for the 'defending the indefensible' round
Particularly that its nothing to do with Good 'ol Boris that the members of the parliamentary standards committee having now received death threats and have all got additional security after Johnsons 'Kangaroo Court' rant.
All just another normal day in post-Brexit-Toryland
That Gove interview has put me in a foul mood. Arguing both sides against the middle, one minute arguing that you must follow precedent, arguing the opposite 30 seconds later when it suits him - and not being properly interviewed anyway. Slippery little shit.
I think he was actually ideological about being Education Minister under Cameron, but when he was exposed as a bit of a crank and a total stroker as a result, he gave up all commitment to anything and just went fully for his own personal advancement. An arch cynic who I would really like to see in a dock alongside Johnson and Cummings charged with treason one day.
Brexit dead?
Brexit is the zombified MacGuffin of the right wing.
The Sunlit Uplands that can never be reached because Traitors.
The Opportunities that were Betrayed by The Wokerati Liberal Bicycle Riding Communist Lentil Eaters Remoaners.
Every time, somehow, it will fail to be The-Brexit-That-Was-Promised, because we, the unbelievers, Didn't Believe Hard Enough.
A convenient catch all banner for right wing politicians to wave at the hard of thinking.
Brexit is the zombified MacGuffin of the right wing.
The Sunlit Uplands that can never be reached because Traitors.
The Opportunities that were Betrayed by The Wokerati Liberal Bicycle Riding Communist Lentil Eaters Remoaners.
Every time, somehow, it will fail to be The-Brexit-That-Was-Promised, because we, the unbelievers, Didn’t Believe Hard Enough.
A convenient catch all banner for right wing politicians to wave at the hard of thinking.
Nailed it.
This doesn’t apply to all of them, in fact a goodly number are just ordinary working folk in a middle-income paying job that can disappear on a whim – but you wouldn’t think that with how they act. And after the next election there’ll be a fair number of them signing on, just like the rest of us would when we’ve lost our job and haven’t another lined up.
I’m not feeling sorry for them, just pointing out reality.
Im not sure many ex-MPs end up signing on. They get a sizeable payment (a years salary?) if they don’t get re-elected - I think many of us would find that security reassuring! They either have previous careers to return to, Or they are now very well networked people with an understanding of the working of Whitehall - that makes them ideal for lobbying, non-exec director roles, charity advocacy positions etc. on top of which they have a pension scheme that is VERY favourable, and means that many of those who get unseated don’t have to wait that long before we are funding them again!
I don’t have a better option because I don’t want politician s to be trust fund kids or funded by back door bribes but I’m fairly confident that serving MPs are not directly feeling the pinch quite like ordinary people (and if you think they are - perhaps you are comparing them to yourself and you are not ordinary people!).
Nailed it.
Standing on the shoulder of giants.
Many others far cleverer than I have pointed out, it means whatever anyone wants it to mean, it means everything and nothing, at the same time, a perfect doublethink.
Ignorance is Strength, War is Peace.
I Love The Brexit.
