what is your professional qualification to say the entire science of epidemiology is wrong?
I'm someone who can argue with facts and reasoning, using the evidence of experts, instead of throwing around insults.
What's yours?
The Brownstone Institute and it’s links to The Barrington Declaration etc etc etc.
So you disagree that the Faroe Islands did far better than Iceland, despite no lockdown then?
I’m someone who can argue with facts and reasoning, using the evidence of experts, instead of throwing around insults.
What’s yours?
Seriously, take it over to the covid thread if you must do this conversation we've all heard a hundred times.
Argue about it on the Coronavirus thread then, please.
This is a CV thread, it's about the CV lockdown rules that Boris broke. Rules that I explained were ridiculous and very damaging.
No it isn't. It's about the fly-tipped sofa lying to parliament.
Ok, I'll pop back later to talk about whether BJ lied to parliament and the ramifications there of.
Good luck all.😉
(re)joined March 21st 2023
I'm no good at the tracking stuff but who's this back again?
Back to the point - whether the pandemic response was flawed or not, whether the guidance was correct or not, it was the guidance and he can not have been ignorant of it (and ignorance is not a defence)
The point is he repeatedly told parliament, months after the events, that all the rules and guidance had been followed. His defence, like all these charlatans, is that either it was someone else's advice or 'Ah, but those weren't my exact words, what I meant was' Weaselling out of what any reasonable thinking person knows to be the truth.
I can't for the life of me see what other conclusion the SC can reach. When is their judgement / report / whatever? Only contentious issue is what sanction is felt appropriate.
I once again post this
Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. [He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).
I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else.
The other irrelevant point
FTFY. No need to thank me.
The other important point is that they were clearly not at all scared about catching Covid, such that they didn’t think it important to follow the rules themselves.
The point that has been answered several times, but like boris you want to ignore anything that is inconvenient for the narrative you wish to spin.
like boris you want to ignore anything that is inconvenient for the narrative you wish to spin.
What narrative is that? The narrative of being able to ask questions rather than blindly follow what we are told by our lying politicians and media?
Johnson probably thought he was immune to it a second time around, on account of getting infected in April 2020 with the subsequent time he spent in critical care in a very bad way. That was the belief for lots of people back then, that you became immune after catching it. He wasn't very well at all, and almost paid the price, but as mentioned, having the support near to hand from colleagues and facilities saved him then.
He's thinking it will do the same now for his political career.
^ This helmet joined two days ago specifically to trot out this tripe and derail threads.
You all know better than to respond, particularly you TJ you big soft git.
Ok, youve now posted on the CV thread but are continuing to post here too.
Time to flag you up as spamming.
Just looking at the front pages after yesterday, clearly the mail headline writers have their noses packed with some Colombian marching powder again. Totally divorced from reality.
You all know better than to respond
Can't upset the far left echo chamber by allowing opposing point of view eh?
People might reply if you posted on the correct thread. Piss off over to the covid thread
Ok, youve not posted on the CV thread
Errr I have actually.
Yeah us far lefties are all part of the government machine trying to silence the truth which you are so helpfully trying to enlighten us with. Either that or you're shouting into the void on the wrong thread.
Take it to the COVID thread, you might find a more receptive audience.
I reckon a 5 day suspension and a flounce out of politics before the next GE, focusing all his efforts on getting a seat in the HOL
Failing that he'll end up with the Boris Johnson Side Boob Hour on GBNews, sandwiched between Neil Oliver's Conspiracy Rundown and Lee Andersons Rants About MPs with Second Jobs...
Is there a time scale for the committee to come to its conclusion, anyone know?
You clearly haven’t seen the Twitter files then where it has been proven that dissenting voices (including Nobel wining scientists) on the Covid narrative have been censored or banned from most of the social media platforms and other media. Under instructions from governments no less.
Well I'm pleased that finally somebody is prepared to take on you members of the liberal elite on this forum and finally reveal the truth about how we've all been enslaved under the cover of a fake pandemic and had mind-control drugs administered under cover of a vaccine
Welcome Andrew and please keep speaking your truth
If they mock you, then to quote Jack Nickleson... erm.... or is it Jack Niclous... the actor not the golfer, in that film he did with Tom Cruise "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
I seem to remember a wodge of evidence that suggested he wasn't at death's door at all, it was a ploy. The nurse who looked after him resigned soon afterwards. Plus all the CV victims' hands he was meant to have shaken at KGH produced silence from the medical staff. He's an inveterate insidious inventor.
The narrative of being able to ask questions rather than blindly follow what we are told by our lying politicians and media?
Lyndsey Hoyle has said that Bridgen “has a right to express his views whether others agree with them or not” and a spokesperson for the speaker has said Sir Lindsay had “no plans” to stop him. so y'know, no one is stopping him saying what he wants to. Whether people want to stay and listen to it, is another thing altogether
Ah nickc - never let the truth ( which is what you posted) get in the way of a good conspiracy theory ( that our new troll posted)
🙂
roger, with absolutely no respect you are either:
- a troll
or
- clueless
As for 'the Twitter files', what drivel is this?
Just a flurry of conspiracy/antivax talking points, he'll flame out in due course.
Also... why do you always do your tie up so tight? It looks really uncomfortable, like your heads about to pop.
Bridgen needs it to maintain the lack of blood supply to the brain.
Guys - we have got the troll to go to the covid thread.. Lets ignore him on here
So back to our lying oaf of an exPM
I mislead parliament in good faith
An oxymoron from a moron?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion ,even if it is glaringly wrong .
Interesting that the Telegraph are running with the implied kangaroo court line - he'll probably not accept the findings, in true Trump style.
I reckon a 5 day suspension and a flounce out of politics before the next GE, focusing all his efforts on getting a seat in the HOL
Problem with HOL is you need to turn up to get the cash (even if just to sign the register before heading back out) whereas as an mp he gets it even if he is on a speaking tour in the US.
So think he would prefer to keep the mp job going.
he’ll probably not accept the findings, in true Trump style.
Hopefully this will influence the committee when it comes to deciding any length of suspension. Is it possible that Sunak will be so keen to get rid of him after his performance yesterday that a recall and by-election is a price worth paying?
I fully expect him to go Full Trump if he is found guilty and suspended, even more so if it forces a by-election. His supporters in the media are just testing the waters to see if they can follow him there or not.
Is there a time scale for the committee to come to its conclusion, anyone know?
Can't find any specific timetable anywhere, be good to know so I can ignore all the media crap around right now and come back for the finale.
An oxymoron from a moron?
It isnt an oxymoron since its based on saying something you believed was true at the time. Hence whilst you misled the other person you in turn had been misled.
Of course in this particular case its rubbish.
Also mildly interesting that the best rated comments (and in fact most of them) on that hilarious piece of fiction by Mrs Gove on DM website are all anti Boris.
Its not often I laugh with a DM comment as opposed to at them but there were actually a couple surrounding her 'agile as a cat' title that made me chuckle.
'agile as a cat'
No, there isn't a timetable for the committee to publish their report.
My understanding is the committee hope to publish '...by the summer' which would suggest before the summer recess.
Interesting that the Telegraph are running with the implied kangaroo court line – he’ll probably not accept the findings, in true Trump style.
Its obvious from what he said himself yesterday, in his refusal to actually commit to respecting the verdict of the committee, that thats where we're heading with this.
He'll definitely go full Trump.
The problem for Boris is that Trump still has a huge supporter base within his party who believe he will win the next election for them. Boris has got Mad Nad, the Haunted Pencil and...erm... nope... thats pretty much it
Johnson probably thought he was immune to it a second time around
If not immune that the effects and symptoms would not be as severe
The other important point is that they were clearly not at all scared about catching Covid, such that they didn’t think it important to follow the rules themselves.
I don't know who "they" are ... but I don't think "the boss" was and everyone else had to follow suit (whatever they personally believed)
I once again post this
Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. [He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).
I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else.
It seems to me in his head the rules didn't apply to him or anyone working for him.. any more than any other rules apply to him but I don't think that is in anyway abnormal for politicians.
The step he seems to have taken is he struggles to pretend differently.
His whole defence seems to be "we were doing important stuff" (and inherently more important than doctors and nurses) and he frankly seems to struggle with the concept that anyone should even question that.
His attempt to appeal to "including the current prime minister" just seems to reinforce this to me.
