He’ll have to struggle by on the £115k we’ll pay him every year. Tough, I know.
Technically that's an expenses limit.
So he can claim back the taxi fare if he's asked to open a local swimming pool.
Having said that I expect he's the type to find he needs to open the pool of a 5* hotel in Barbados.
Where as to most people in most workplaces, the presence of booze would mean a
social eventcharge of gross misconduct
Especially if you are a civil servant - unless your role is based at 10 Downing Street
I'd rather have Sunak (hypocrite) than Johnson (liar)
In most work places the presence of booze would be a sacking event especially if you were working at the time
Top lawyer and former DPP Keir Starmer would disagree. He claims to enjoy a beer whilst busy working.
Apparently according to him eating takeaways and drinking beer may be “reasonably necessary for work”.
Especially if you are a civil servant – unless your role is based at 10 Downing Street
When I was a civil servant we had a bar on site which opened at lunchtime and after work. It was ok though, it was The Atomic Weapons Establishment at Foulness and we were just working with explosives.🤣
Incredible the police they have on the door and gate, took no notice of people arriving in party frocks and carrying bottles of wine along with home made cake selections.
Incredible the police they have on the door and gate, took no notice of people arriving in party frocks and carrying bottles of wine along with home made cake selections.
……..um…….. you have heard about the Met haven’t you ?
Just watched a few of the 'highlights' on the news. Johnson was absolutely grasping at straws and totally out of his depth. If he's not found to be guilty and suspended long enough to force a by-election being triggered then there's something incredibly wrong with the whole system.
If he’s not found to be guilty and suspended long enough to force a by-election being triggered then there’s something incredibly wrong with the whole system.
I think the findings of the committee, and any sanction, have to be voted through in the House of Commons.
In the event he's suspended or recalled, will he still be able to be knighted, as is the custom with ex-PMs?
Mad Nad on twitter. Is she drunk again?
very clear today. Not sure there is a reasonable person in the land who would think that the committee could do anything other than totally exonerate him and not before time either.
If he’s not found to be guilty and suspended long enough to force a by-election being triggered then there’s something incredibly wrong with the whole system.
If he is found guilty and suspended for long enough to trigger a by-election, it just papers over the cracks in the system. To be honest for all the corruption and lies and deceit that went on during his "leadership" partygate feels like getting Al Capone on tax evasion. And it is only happening at all because some of his party are now politically motivated to move on and want him gone, not because any checks and balances actually work.
The utterly odious Rees Mogg is on channel 4 news now repeating his ‘kangaroo court’ accusations.
‘Boris is winning in the court of public opinion’ apparently
I loved Krishnan Guru-Murthy introducing him as ‘GB News presenter Jacob Rees Mogg’ 😂
I loved Krishnan Guru-Murthy introducing him as ‘GB News presenter Jacob Rees Mogg’ 😂
Didn’t see this (yet) but what a brilliant intro!
Yet plenty of eeeejits in Essex think she's suitable to represent them.
Not sure whom it speaks more lowly of.
TBH, he will probably get away with it, and all the OAP's will vote Conservatives again next election. We've been so mean to Boris. We are screwed with some of the old folk.
Because WE are better than them.
It's a close run thing....
Didn’t see this (yet) but what a brilliant intro!
Got to see if I can find that on yt.👍
Has to be cleared. He was the headpiece our country needed in difficult times, and, I have a feeling we will be needing him at the reins again soon.
We all acknowledge the weapons of mass distraction that politicians use, but will Sunak face down the monsters from the east like Boris can?
You appear to have spelt ringpiece wrong
Quick summary of yesterday.
I'm sure it'll be markedly different to the Daily Mail summary...
Good article, but no one seems to be asking the obvious question:
If Johnson & Co partied whilst the rest of us were locked down for our own safety, why weren't they scared of the virus?
I believe his defence yesterday was because they were doing extensive covid testing in#10 so they didn't need to social distance as much.
Is that what you were insinuating?
If Johnson & Co partied whilst the rest of us were locked down for our own safety, why weren’t they scared of the virus?
Because the availability of any required medical treatment and facilities would be guaranteed for "important" people, they wouldn't have to risk the contention ratios enforced on the proles through the NHS which has been damaged by austerity and asset stripped for profit.
Incredible the police they have on the door and gate, took no notice of people arriving in party frocks and carrying bottles of wine along with home made cake selections.
A student in Leeds was fined £10,000 for organising a snowball fight. A beggar was fined £434 for having his cap out at King's Cross station. A homeless man was arrested at Liverpool Street station for being outside without a reasonable excuse'. Staff at a London chip shop were told to attend a 'business meeting' during the second lockdown, when work meetings were allowed. They all received a fine because the police decided the meeting could have been held online. A Devon landlord held a Christmas gathering for staff on the same day as the Downing Street Christmas bash
- and received a £4,000 fine.
Spectator, 2022
This was quoted on Novara Live last night.
Has to be cleared. He was the headpiece our country needed in difficult times, and, I have a feeling we will be needing him at the reins again soon.
We all acknowledge the weapons of mass distraction that politicians use, but will Sunak face down the monsters from the east like Boris can?
Please expand on this.
What on earth did he do as our "headpiece" that would justify his return?
If that includes "he got brexit done" and "vaccine roll out", please put your copy of the Daily Mail down and seek medical attention.
For some reason I woke up with this earworm this morning
Good article, but no one seems to be asking the obvious question:
If Johnson & Co partied whilst the rest of us were locked down for our own safety, why weren’t they scared of the virus?
Makes you think.....🤔
Welcome (back?) to the forum
If Johnson & Co partied whilst the rest of us were locked down for our own safety, why weren’t they scared of the virus?
Complacency and group think. IIRC they did have outbreaks
I was working as a nurse with covid around tho I was really lucky in that there were no outbreaks on the wards I was on. However clearly the greatest risk to me was at work and the risk I posed to others outside of work was higher than the average. This made it hard for me psychologically to take the precautions to prevent me getting infected outside of work. This was common amongst my colleagues. However I recognised I was a risk to others and took precautions for their sake and also tried to stay within the guidance even when it seemed ridiculous to me - for the sake of the greater good.
I am so angry about this because due to 1) not want to risk infecting others and 2) trying to do the right thing even when it seemed daft I missed out on a lot.
1) I could not go to the funeral of my god(less) child ( like a godchild but with no religion involved)
2) I did not see my parents for over a year even when my mother had a stroke
3)Mrs TJ had to go to the testing where her cancer was confirmed on her own. I could not support her
4) at Mrs TJs funeral we took far more vehicles that she would have wanted - no car sharing and had to maintain distancing and NO HUGS!
5) after Mrs TJ died I only visited friends outside in their gardens and again NO HUGs and as a result spent a lot of time alone in my misery
Given all that I still did not have the issues that many folk faced.
This lying oaf was just completely ignoring the rules, not taking the basic precautions and then lying about it over and over again. I have no words to describe how much I despise him and how angry this makes me
I believe his defence yesterday was because they were doing extensive covid testing in#10 so they didn’t need to social distance as much.
Is that what you were insinuating?
Nope, I was insinuating that anyone who was in good health and under the age of 60 (ish) was at a vanishingly small risk from Covid. Thats not an insinuation though - it is a scientific fact backed up by the data.
The government knew this but they still scared the population into compliance with their increasingly daft and hugely damaging rules regardless.
I have no words to describe how much I despise him
...and those that enable him.
Well said TJ
it is a scientific fact backed up by the data
Data that was gathered after the fact. At the time it was not well established and the issue fogged by bullshitters who felt they understood scientific/research processes. You know, liars and charlatans.
I was insinuating that anyone who was in good health and under the age of 60 (ish) was at a vanishingly small risk from Covid.
Looking after others. Protecting them. That was what the guidance was for. Not self protection. Anyway, the point of this enquiry is that the PM knew the guidance, knew it was broken, lied to the house claiming that it was not. Whether the PM should have set that guidance and told us all about it is another matter… it is simply insulting for him to maintain that he didn’t know about them and didn’t “believe” that he and his teams were not following them. He knows what happened and lied to parliament in the hope that they and we would never get to know the truth, at least not while he was PM.
Also roger melrose those under 60 could still transport the virus around and infect those at higher risk by increasing the pool of virus around the population. You clearly have no understanding of how an infective epidemic works. Symptom less infection and vectors for the virus to travel around. Johnson and co where not at high risk themselves but their actions increased the risk to others
Of course this is something the right wing do not understand. Acting for the interests of others
Looking after others. Protecting them. That was what the guidance was for. Not self protection.
So what you are saying is that in a misguided zero-evidence attempt to protect an elderly person from Covid (which we/they will all catch at some point anyway) we must throw the lives and mental health of younger people under the bus?
Decisions have consequences.
Also roger melrose those under 60 could still transport the virus around and infect those at higher risk by increasing the pool of virus around the population. You clearly have no understanding of how an infective epidemic works.
The virus is endemic. This means that almost everyone is exposed to it repeatedly. With each exposure our immune system strengthens. What transmission are you trying to prevent exactly?
that is not what is being said at all. Try reading.
What is being said is that by taking precautions to reduce the amount of infected people in the population and reducing the vectors for virus transmission this provides a protective effect for all vulnerable people - and this is well known, well proven and factual.
Try reading, learning and hopefully you will gain some understanding
Are you really attempting to claim the science of epidemiology has no evidence base? This is very basic stuff
roger melrose
Free MemberSo what you are saying is that in a misguided zero-evidence attempt to protect an elderly person from Covid (which we/they will all catch at some point anyway) we must throw the lives and mental health of younger people under the bus?
Decisions have consequences
How about taking this over to the covid thread so we can ignore it there instead please?
Will someone get this idiot out of here before I lose my temper?
what is your professional qualification to say the entire science of epidemiology is wrong?
So what you are saying is that in a misguided zero-evidence attempt to protect an elderly person from Covid (which we/they will all catch at some point anyway) we must throw the lives and mental health of younger people under the bus?
Except it did work didn't it. The elderly were largely kept clear of the virus and didn't catch it.
And where it didn't work where the rules were insufficiency strict it had catastrophic consequences on the care homes affected.
Roger's trying to throw a carboard bus containing a dead cat into this thread - can we ignore that and get back to discussing the PMs apparent disregard for rules that he was instrumental in setting, communicating and reinforcing.
roger melrose
Free Member
TJ with all due respect, you do not have a clue what you are talking about. If you were in any way correct, why did over 40 years of thorough and scientifically agreed upon pandemic planning, up to the point we abandoned it in panic in early 2020, say the opposite.If you are correct, then how do you explain this:
Iceland v’s Faroe Islands
The Brownstone Institute and it's links to The Barrington Declaration etc etc etc.
It's all been done on the covid thread...
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95601
Anyway, Johnson, what a dick head.
