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Since the Tories privatised British Nuclear Fuels in 2010 we’ve lost much of the expertise to develop and build big nucl
We’re now dependent on the state backed nuclear industries of China & FranceAnd they say Tories are patriots 😂😂😂
The Tories went into a coalition government in May 2010 after 13 years of Labour governments. Keen as they might be on privatisation even the Tories can't privatise that quick.
Labour’s £10bn nuclear sell-off
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2005/sep/30/energy.nuclearindustry
"The transfer of key operations o of state hands at a time when Britain is facing an energy shortfall will generate surprise, particularly with North Sea oil and gas running down and the government edging towards a decision to proceed with a new generation of nuclear reactors"
ctk – what’s your problem?
I think the "problem", if you can call it that, is that binners knee-jerk reaction to anyone suggesting public ownership is to get into a rant about British Leyland and post pictures of cars which he erroneously believes were designed during the short period that BL was part-nationalised. HTH
And they say Tories are patriots 😂😂😂
Whatever a patriot is, I always wonder how they can bang on about patriotism whilst selling the country off.
All those ‘iconic’ Brands which are pretty much owned by ‘forriners’.
I suppose your actually lucky to live in the U.K. without having to pay a licence fee for being a Great Britanner.
I’m not crying over Rishi’s missus getting some stick,he rocked up one day to play politics and is inserted into a nice safe seat, I can’t believe having easy access to a billionaire would have swayed their decision to let him play 🙂
Looks like the knives are well and truly out for Rishi. The arrogance of not thinking that people would be outraged by his wife claiming non-dom status while clearly enjoying being a full time UK resident. She lives at the taxpayers expense in Downing Street FFS!
I’m sure his next door neighbour is pleased he leaked that.
Judging by the reaction from the QT audience last night though, a bigger problem for him is the entire audience mockingly laughing at Greg Hands trying to pass off Rishi’s loan for energy bills as some kind of gift from the chancellor
https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1512187116033388548?s=21
No he’s not.
A chancellor of the exchequer with a billionaire tax evading wife who raises taxes. Looks pretty bloody naive to me. Now we know why Johnson has never felt threatened, because he’s had this grenade in his back pocket ready to detonate at the most opportune moment. I bet all the briefing that Johnson wanted to drop the NI rise but Sunak blocked him was all designed for this. Sunak is finished, he hasn’t got a cats chance in hell of being PM after this.
Sunak is finished, he hasn’t got a cats chance in hell of being PM after this.
Looking at our current PM I wouldn't put money on the above statement.
I’m not crying over Rishi’s missus getting some stick
If they were going after her for some dodgy parking/claiming she kicked a kitten or something then I would be on the "leave her alone" side but that she is non-dom really isnt a good sign for the family of a senior minister and is relevant with regards to when he is applying taxes to those working in the UK.
The lies about it being needed due to Indian citizenship really didnt help either.
In other tory news. I wonder who had to take Pickles to one side and explain that complaining about the Grenfell inquiry impacting his busy calendar wasnt really a bright idea.
In other tory news. I wonder who had to take Pickles to one side and explain that complaining about the Grenfell inquiry impacting his busy calendar wasnt really a bright idea.Pickles is a busy man
Busy eating pies from the look of him. He's another unbearably smug ****er. I also think he got confused with Hillsborough (when he referenced the 96 dead) and Grenfell, in fact he didn't even get the name "Grenfell" correct.
To turn up at an inquiry into the Grenfell tragedy without even knowing how many people died in it. That's just unforgivable, they literally couldn't care less about 'the common people'.
Akshata Murty is worth £27bn and went to all that trouble to avoid £20m tax. Thats the same as having £27,000 in the bank and dodging paying 20 quid. The greed is mind boggling.
Still waiting to hear about where she was paying her tax instead of here. My money is on the USA. Who knows though…
Time to start asking about his own tax affairs… if they were arrogant enough to think they could get away with having a non-dom living above no10, I strongly suspect he’s tried a few (legal) cunning ruses himself… I can’t see HRMC staff being keen to look into it just for the public interest though.
Akshata Murty is worth £27bn and went to all that trouble to avoid £20m tax. Thats the same as having £27,000 in the bank and dodging paying 20 quid. The greed is mind boggling.
This is the bit that I just can't get my head around. They're now (deservedly IMHO) getting a ton of shit, possibly ending his obvious prime ministerial ambition, for the sake of what is effectively loose change to them.
They've already got more money than they know what to do with or could conceivably ever spend, no matter how many additional expensive holiday homes they buy.
Tory.
That’s the obvious one word answer to your query.
[ no, I don’t think all Conservative voters think or act this way, far from it, but they need to take a much closer look at who they are voting for ]
This is the bit that I just can’t get my head around.
Don't worry I'm sure argee will be here in a minute to tell us why it's all ok.
Still waiting to hear about where she was paying her tax instead of here. My money is on the USA
I doubt it. Most likely be some island somewhere with low rates since even marginal amounts is sufficient for them.
I do like how some of the defenders have been trying the "well the tax is going to India" leaving aside a)its unlikely and b)even if it was since we have a no double tax agreement with them it would still go to India first for anything "earned" there.
That tweet misses the point I think though. It will be more than 20 million over time and supposedly gives the best benefits come inheritance tax time. Hence why those patriotic owners of the daily mail claim that France is their true home.
Still waiting to hear about where she was paying her tax instead of here. My money is on the USA. Who knows though…
I swear this stuff must be on the entrance exam for politics.
Tax dodging, favours-for-mates, accepting donations...
I'm reminded of the Blackadder scene where Baldrick is being made a Member of Parliament and filling out the MP Application Form, it says "any criminal convictions"
Baldrick replies no and Blackadder says
"oh for God's sake Baldrick, you're going to be an MP - I'll just put fraud and sexual deviancy".
Yeah, basic politics you’d have thought.
Not sure this story is true though. It’s genuinely unbelievable. My thoughts last night…
https://twitter.com/spittingcat/status/1512206755471757313?s=20&t=j-KWOqntIRDtNWdIa3VzcA
The journalist is still pushing on with it though.
Sunak claiming (I think, his words are quite slippery) that the tax is being paid in India, not the USA or elsewhere…
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1512345739648770048?s=20&t=xAbcYdZRC7WxXLA0xh3jwA
To think that we once thought Sunak was the PR savvy one!
To think that we once thought Sunak was the PR savvy one!
Nah he's just another entitled rich **** who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Liz Truss will be happy at least. She's almost nailed on now to be the next tory leader.
Which means the parliamentary party will want to avoid a leadership contest. Job done for Johnson.
To think that we once thought Sunak was the PR savvy one!
He did have a good PR team in the past (Allegra Stratton was prominent until Johnson managed to entice her away but then screwed it up) but although it has gone down recently (eg the how do I pay for fuel?) I think it is mostly just down to the fact its easy to have good PR if the media are on your side.
Take Cameron. He was the all conquering genius former PR man (which itself was PR since his PR "career" was a short one as time out from politics arranged by his mum) who leapt mountains with a single bound.
Up until the point his policies conflicted with the media barons policies. At which point it all came crashing down.
"Citizens of Nowhere"
She’s almost nailed on now to be the next tory leader.
Im not so sure she's gaffe prone and has her own skeleton stuffed closets, someone like Morduant or Tugenhat would be in with a good chance (and do a better job than Truss)
means the parliamentary party will want to avoid a leadership contest.
I think all talk of a leadership challenge ended when Christian Wakeford defected to Labour. It was seen not so much as an attack on Johnson but a betrayal of the Party. Which of course from a Tory perspective it was.
After that all Tory MPs rallied round Johnson rather than risk being seen as disloyal.
Johnson owes Starmer some gratitude for accepting Wakefield onto the Labour Benches.
After that all Tory MPs rallied round Johnson rather than risk being seen as disloyal.
No they didn’t. Rebels have dropped their calls for him to go since Russia pushed further into Ukraine. Before that the “rallying round” was partial, at best.
Okay
like Morduant or Tugenhat would be in with a good chance (and do a better job than Truss)
Tugenhat is walking a very careful line right now. Somehow presenting himself as not rocking the boat, while also speaking up and against the government on nearly every issue (I’ve recently found myself agreeing with him nearly every day, which is most disconcerting).
The likes of bridgen & Ross have openly stated that they're backing Johnson again due to war in Ukraine
He could probably even ride out a fine
A tory car crash in Local elections next month will be tougher
Boris Johnson vows to fight on against any Tory rebellion as defection bolsters support
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-vows-fight-against-25992227
"The defection by Christian Wakeford, the MP for Bury South, was paraded as a triumph by Labour leader Keir Starmer at Prime Minister’s Questions.
But twitchy Conservative MPs viewed it as betrayal of their party rather than an attack on the Prime Minister."
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Akshata Murty is worth £27bn and went to all that trouble to avoid £20m tax. Thats the same as having £27,000 in the bank and dodging paying 20 quid. The greed is mind boggling.This is the bit that I just can’t get my head around. They’re now (deservedly IMHO) getting a ton of shit, possibly ending his obvious prime ministerial ambition, for the sake of what is effectively loose change to them.
They’ve already got more money than they know what to do with or could conceivably ever spend, no matter how many additional expensive holiday homes they buy.
Her dads fortune is £27 billion i believe, and what she may inherit one day, there appears to be a lot of disinformation about her being thrown into the press and internet just now, which is pretty much the unsavoury side of politics and the press.
Rishi Sunak is a dead duck though, that's clear from the last month, he is no threat to Boris (or the others) any more, which as someone else has stated, is giving Boris more time to get through yet another scandal, honestly that man is made of teflon!
Even by the standards of this government this week has been an utter car crash.
This Week in Tory is the longest I've seen.
https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1512361561263906821
there appears to be a lot of disinformation about her being thrown into the press and internet just now, which is pretty much the unsavoury side of politics and the press.
Thank you. She's a billionaire who goes out of her way to avoid paying tax which represents a tiny fraction of her wealth which she can afford without it having any impact on her. It's indefensible greed and entitlement. It would be bad enough on it's own but her husband has ambitions to be Prime Minister and is in charge of setting tax and spending policy. She and her husband clearly think the rules don't apply to them.
"I need to claim Universal Credit... my wife's earnings...? That's none of your business! Take me wife's name off of you ******* application form!"
As well as the obvious conflict of interests of having the man who is responsible for the UK's tax system having a non-dom in his household... I suspect the political impact of his family saying that they are not making the UK their long term home (where exactly do they claim they're off to after the UK... I still think the USA) will be felt most keenly amongst those who have been voting for these fake patriots because they believed them to be more invested in the success of their country ahead of broader international concerns.
Didn't realise that apparently when Rishi became an MP he held a green card.
In normal times i'd say that was it as far as his career goes, but 1. these ain't normal times, 2. The tories will just appoint someone else to carry on the "good work"
In normal times i’d say that was it as far as his career goes
I think it is possible it might end his career or at least set it back for several years. Just on the grounds its clear Johnson and co see him as a threat and hence are less likely to protect him as opposed to if he was a loyal supporter in which case it would definitely be ignored.
its clear Johnson and co see him as a threat and hence are less likely to protect him
Pretty sure the main reason Johnson made him chancellor was because he knew he'd be no threat to him based on how compromised he was on the tax issue. It just shows Sunak's naivety and/or arrogance in not forseeing it, or thinking it wouldn't be a problem. He's been played by Johnson. He'll be gone soon and another sucker in place in time for the next election.
Pretty sure the main reason Johnson made him chancellor
I think you are overrating Johnson there. He made him chancellor since Sunak was willing to have his advisors provided by Cummings rather than his own which is why Javid quit.
I dont think any deep thought about future blackmail material came in as opposed to finding someone willing accepting a reduced chancellorship compared to the past.
Thank you. She’s a billionaire who goes out of her way to avoid paying tax which represents a tiny fraction of her wealth which she can afford without it having any impact on her. It’s indefensible greed and entitlement. It would be bad enough on it’s own but her husband has ambitions to be Prime Minister and is in charge of setting tax and spending policy. She and her husband clearly think the rules don’t apply to them.
How do you know she's a billionaire, can you provide valid data on this, or is this just another press statement of she is from a family who have billions?
Again, where is the evidence that she goes out of her way to avoid paying tax, have you reviewed her tax payments in India, UK, etc? Again, how is it indefensible greed or entitlement when you have none of the evidence?
As for the rules, again, what rules has she broken, you mention tax evasion earlier, but not seen any evidence of this, tax avoidance again is perfectly legal, thus defensible, i've not seen any news or evidence pointing to evasion, so any chance you can pop this up for your above, and previous claims?
Glad you want transparency and full disclosure as regards the tax affairs of the inhabitants of 10 and 11 Downing Street as well @argee. Let's see if we get it...
How do you know she’s a billionaire
She's not a billionaire, Daz was exaggerating.
With only an estimated £690M she is almost as poor as the Queen, who is only has a personal fortune of £635M btw.
As for the rules, again, what rules has she broken
Again I think Daz was exaggerating. Her husband makes the rules concerning taxation. I can't imagine why she would need to break them.
As for the rules, again, what rules has she broken
She makes (according to the press I've read) about £30M a year for doing **** all. She's now making it her business to make sure she doesn't pay about 40% of that huuuge pile of cash while living in a grace and favour apartment with a bloke who gets to decide who much tax she'll pay, and still....Still you're trying to make out that somehow she's the victim in all this?
Cool
With only an estimated £690M she is almost as poor as the Queen, who is only has a personal fortune of £635M btw.
Well now I'm feeling sorry for her, so thanks for that.
The convolutions that the mega-rich go through in order to avoid paying their fair share of tax are mind-boggling.
Given his alleged 'green card' status for at least some of the past few years, you'd have thought the IRS would be taking an interest in the pair of them by now.
I had a distant relative who owned property in the US, but was too afraid to visit, because she and her husband had spent so much time pissing about trying to dodge taxes. They ended up living for years on a 'posh' holiday caravan site to avoid paying taxes here. I'm sure they think it's worth it though.
Again, no laws broken, and those rules were created decades before Rishi was even near number 11, yes she is filthy rich, but is that the one parameter required to attack her, without anyone really knowing any actual facts about her?
Again, i have no interest in Rishi, his wife, the rich, poor or indifferent, i just see so many arguments being made because 'they're rich', or 'they must have done something wrong', the problem isn't individuals, it's the laws we have lived by for decades, Non-Dom has been an issue for decades, same with tax avoidance, and inheritance tax (how much did the Duke of Westminster passed away a couple of years ago?) and on and on.
As for the rules, again, what rules has she broken
Claims non-dom status in UK as she's domiciled in India, owns three houses in the UK, one in the US and none in India.
The key question gor her individual position is "do the facts support her claim to qualify for non-dom status?"
Yes, then she's broken no rules, the rules need changing
No, then Sunak should resign and Boris has removed a potential political threat.
the problem isn’t individuals, it’s the laws we have lived by for decades
So you accept that there "a problem", how do suggest that this problem is resolved?
And do you believe that Sunak is working hard to end these legal loopholes which are causing the problem?
Without fear or favour presumably, since you apparently believe that the fact that his wife benefits hugely from these legal loopholes is completely irrelevant.